Cycle vs cycle

**Buster Brown** · 02-23-2015, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by chris.baker

HCG 250iu a week is not enough. Needs to be more like 500iu three times a week. Last shot of HCG (after your past aas pin and before PCT) should be around 1500iu.

250 ius of hcg twice a week is more then sufficient.

**NACH3** · 02-23-2015, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by chris.baker

HCG 250iu a week is not enough. Needs to be more like 500iu three times a week. Last shot of HCG (after your past aas pin and before PCT) should be around 1500iu.

Blasting hCG for PCT is an outdated method... Yes Rich Piana is an idiot! it's been proven that hCG on cycle is the best way as its a suppressive and if your trying to recover it makes it a lil harder if your trying to restart your natural test production but then adding a suppressive at the same time...

That's why if you take it on cycle at low doses(250-500iu e3.5d never exceeding 1000iu in a wk - 250iu is plenty twice a wk! It keeps your testes from atrophy, stimulates leydig cells, mimicks LH(as your HPTA is tanked), and jeeps your testes functioning if taken on cycle which leads to a faster recovery!

**chris.baker** · 02-23-2015, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by swolehead

250iu e3d hcg 500 is overkill

Yeah I just meant to hit hope the point it needs to be more than once a week. EOD is optimal, as you stated.

**King Mathers** · 02-23-2015, 07:17 PM

I was planning doing hcg 250iu every 3 days anyway.

**chris.baker** · 02-23-2015, 11:37 PM

This is where I came up with the 500iu dosage. It says 250iu-500iu ED. It goes on to day 500iu twice a week doesn't cut it. So if 500 twice a week doesn't cut it, I assume 250iu EOD isn't going to be any better. I've personally used 500iu every M/W/F on cycle and it worked fine for me. As said before, I ramped up the dosage to 1500iu right after my last pin and just before starting PCT.

"As regards HCGs use of Post-Cycle-Therapy (PCT), smaller and more frequent doses after a cycle of AAS would give the best results with the least amount of side effects. A dose of 250iu to 500iu everyday (ed) for 2 to 3 weeks is plenty and should very little from person to person (3). The Physicians Desk Reference recommends 500iu/day, as did the late, great, Dan Duchaine. The smaller doses are sufficient enough to begin reversal of testicular atrophy and used in conjunction with nolvade, will help the already present problem of recovery without raising the levels of estrogen to high and increasing the risk of gynecomastia in the user. Lower doses of 250iu to 500iu also avoid the further risk of down regulating LH receptors in the testes. The old saying more is better definitely does not apply to the use of HCG . You dont want to finish PCT after using too much HCG only to find out your back at the beginning again. Your best bet is to start at 250iu or 500iu ed for 5 or 6 days, and if you dont notice anything happening (nuts dropping and getting bigger) up the dose slightly. Small doses like 500iu two days a week isnt going to cut it like some people think. The only thing small doses of HCG ay be useful (sublingually) for is reducing symptoms of benign prostatic hyperplasia (7). Yeah, thats right, you can probably reduce some symptoms of an enlarged prostate with the use of small doses of HCG."

**tectime** · 02-23-2015, 11:59 PM

^^^^^^ where did you come up with this information? I truly would like to read that myself. My doc(hrt specialist) recommended three 500iu injections per week also. Please post where you got this. Thanks !

**NACH3** · 02-24-2015, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by chris.baker

This is where I came up with the 500iu dosage. It says 250iu-500iu ED. It goes on to day 500iu twice a week doesn't cut it. So if 500 twice a week doesn't cut it, I assume 250iu EOD isn't going to be any better. I've personally used 500iu every M/W/F on cycle and it worked fine for me. As said before, I ramped up the dosage to 1500iu right after my last pin and just before starting PCT.

"As regards HCGs use of Post-Cycle-Therapy (PCT), smaller and more frequent doses after a cycle of AAS would give the best results with the least amount of side effects. A dose of 250iu to 500iu everyday (ed) for 2 to 3 weeks is plenty and should very little from person to person (3). The Physicians Desk Reference recommends 500iu/day, as did the late, great, Dan Duchaine. The smaller doses are sufficient enough to begin reversal of testicular atrophy and used in conjunction with nolvade, will help the already present problem of recovery without raising the levels of estrogen to high and increasing the risk of gynecomastia in the user. Lower doses of 250iu to 500iu also avoid the further risk of down regulating LH receptors in the testes. The old saying more is better definitely does not apply to the use of HCG. You dont want to finish PCT after using too much HCG only to find out your back at the beginning again. Your best bet is to start at 250iu or 500iu ed for 5 or 6 days, and if you dont notice anything happening (nuts dropping and getting bigger) up the dose slightly. Small doses like 500iu two days a week isnt going to cut it like some people think. The only thing small doses of HCG ay be useful (sublingually) for is reducing symptoms of benign prostatic hyperplasia (7). Yeah, thats right, you can probably reduce some symptoms of an enlarged prostate with the use of small doses of HCG."

Hey Chris, thx for sharing this! Though I've had good results from hCG use on cycle(as it may be a preference thing)... If it works for you don't fix what ain't broke... i too, would like to have a read if you can post it up it be greatly appreciated! Thx!

~Nach

**chris.baker** · 02-24-2015, 10:53 AM

Guys, I got that information from THIS site. Just go to "steroid profiles" and find HCG . Click on it and read up. What I posted was cut and pasted directly from there.

**NACH3** · 02-24-2015, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by chris.baker

Guys, I got that information from THIS site. Just go to "steroid profiles" and find HCG. Click on it and read up. What I posted was cut and pasted directly from there.

Yeah just read that one... There's a lot more on hCG throughout that profile as well! It seems to me that the opinions are often preferences... And as everyone is different and will react differently it makes sense that it's mostly anecdotal... I'm clearly not saying that it can't be done this way b/c they're are many people that have done it this way...

To me it just makes more sense on cycle as your preventing testicular atrophy while keeping your testes functioning on cycle, stimulates leydig cells, mimicks LH(no LH no test production)! Again it seems to be more of a preference thing and what works better for some may not for others! I just don't see the point in suppressing your natty test production when trying to restart it(there are times when one would need say "Scally's POWER PCT protocol" but few Snd far between if all was done correctly! This is just my opinion/& Experience also...

Thx for sharing w/us as I appreciate it very much!

**chris.baker** · 02-25-2015, 04:27 PM

To be clear, I don't use HCG for PCT. My understanding is that that was once done, but is now thought to be incorrect. I run HCG 3x/week on cycle at 500iu per. When I take my last pin for the cycle I have a nothing week (other than ae) to let the gear run it's half-life. At the beginning of that week I take one 1500iu shot of HCG. Then the next week I begin PCT (with no HCG).