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08-25-2015, 05:04 AM #1
Hi,
Just started my 3rd cycle, the previous two cycles took me from 86kg to 101 kg with minimum water retention and bodyfat at 12%, I've followed the PCT and losses have been minimal.
This new cycle is among the "heavy weights" , cycle is split between 12 weeks:
Week 1-2 "Oxymetholone (Anadrol ) 50mg/day = 350 mg / week Testosterone 300 mg/Week (one shot) Trenbolone 150mg / Week (100/50 mg shots) 7 Tab Tamox 1/day"
From Week 3 on the weekly dosages are as follows: Oxymetholone (Anadrol) 100mg/day = 700 mg / week Testosterone (cypionate ) 600 mg/Week (one shot) Trenbolone acetate 200mg / Week (two shots) 7 Tab Tamox 1/day
From Week 4-10 is Oxymetholone (Anadrol) 150mg/day = 1050 mg / week Testosterone (cypionate) 600 mg/Week (one shot) Trenbolone acetate 200mg / Week (two shots) 7 Tab Tamox 1/day
Week 11-12 "Oxymetholone (Anadrol) 50mg/day = 350 mg / week Testosterone (cypionate) 300 mg/Week (one shot) Trenbolone acetate 75mg / Week (one shot) 7 Tab Tamox 1/day 7 tab Clomyd 1 Vial HCG (week 11)
Goal is to put 20-30 lbs. muscle
My Stats are
AGE 45
WEIGHT 102kg (as of yesterday)
Height 6'2"
I know is very hard and I intend this to be my last cycle for a while, but would be grateful for any comments. Some stuff is missing in the pic, will arrive on time though
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08-25-2015, 05:35 AM #2
PCT? AI?
HCG should be ran through the full cycle not just at the last week.
Looks to me there is alot going on, quite confusing and hard to read, a little bit of a mess. Theres alot of different doseages at different weeks etc, almost like a pyramid, I think your using the oral anadrol for too long.
What are your previous cycles? Compounds and doseages?
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08-25-2015, 06:12 AM #3Associate Member
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You're going to run anadrol for 10 weeks? What liver support supplements will you be using because that's a long time for any oral. Also the test why one shot? 600mg in one shot is a lot of gear should be split into two shots. I'm sure some of the vets can comment and be more helpful than I.
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08-25-2015, 06:23 AM #4
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I am unsure about the 600 mg in one shot but if I split it in two it would be almost an injection every day.
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08-25-2015, 06:32 AM #5
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08-25-2015, 06:34 AM #6
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08-25-2015, 09:46 AM #7
How long did you take off after your last cycle? 6 weeks? Maybe 8?
As said, no AI? No HCG ? And anadrol for 12 weeks? If you aren't suffering from kidney trauma by the end please let us know your results. Joking aside (not really joking you are asking for trouble) you are potentially going to have real problems with this cycle.
No real on cycle ancillaries. I can't make head nor tail of any pct that you appear to mention as taking place in the last couple of weeks of your cycle. Anadrol for 12 weeks will fvck your liver.
Oh, and 20-30lbs of muscle? No, sorry, that's way out there. You don't gain that and retain it on your first cycle so you aren't on this one I'm afraid.
I suggest you go back to the drawing board buddy.NO SOURCES GIVEN
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08-25-2015, 09:00 PM #8
since it looks like you have everything in-hand and ready to roll, you might as well make the most out of it. first off tho, a couple of things jump right off the page at me:
1) do NOT run the a-bombs more than 4 wks (5 wks tops). i'd run 'em at 100mg/ed wks 1-4.....do NOT do anadrol for 12 weeks please!
2) the tren -ace needs to be pinned at least EOD. if you had the enanthate version you could pin it twice/wk but ace needs to be pinned EOD or ED. I pin mine ED for more stable blood levels and reduced sides that come with the stable blood levels. i'd run the tren-ace at 75mg/eod, considering this is your first tren run?
3) i'm not sure that i'm a fan of pyramiding. I know it's how we used to do it back in the mid-90's but I honestly don't think there's a benefit to it. I would just simply pick a dosage based on my goals and run with it.
you're not far from working this into a great cycle. test/tren/anadrol is one of my favorites actually....up there with test/deca /d-bol. just do a little more research before the rest of your gear arrives and run with it. important thing is to stay safe and have fun!! good luck...keep us posted, bro!
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08-25-2015, 09:19 PM #9"ARs Pork Eating Crusader"
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08-26-2015, 02:48 AM #10
Thanks for the responses!
From what I’ve read the hepatotoxicity of the A-Bombs is more related with the dosage, rather than the length, still it sounds reasonable not to run an Oral for such a long period.
The other issue I have is with pinching on a daily basis, seems than Tren leaves the spot particularly sore for a couple of days, meaning I am running out of spots to pinch if I do it daily, tried the outer part of the Quad, and I was limping for a couple of days, not that I don’t know how to pinch, this is my third cycle since I retook it, but I’ve been pinching since my early 20’s. A trainer of mine said it was good to pinch on the muscles you were about to train that day, but that didn’t really work for me. Nevertheless I agree that is better to keep the blood levels balanced, that is also why I was usure about pinching 600mg test at once, rather than divide it into several dosages.
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08-26-2015, 05:53 AM #11
Yeah...tren a, sustanon and anadrol is one of the most famous steroidgurus personal cycle favourite. Mr Piana. But do you have a deathwish? 45 and anadrol 12 weeks???...come on man, no sense in this. If you stil alive, you will loose Your weitgh short time after no matter what. 2-4 weeks as a kickstart, but no more. And there is more safe starters than anadrol.
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08-26-2015, 08:08 AM #12
OP, here's your plot. I think you need to adjust esters and definitely not do aDrol for anywhere near that long. 50mg/ED is going to be just as good as 150mg but with less sides and less stress on your liver/kidneys. 150mg/ED will bloat you up like an overgrown baby and you'll feel like shit. 100mg/ED is already high enough (done it myself for 4+ weeks).
Suggestions:
* start week 1-2 with Tren -A then switch to Tren-E
* don't do aDrol for 12 weeks. Cycle it, 2-4 weeks on and 2-4 weeks off. Or just do 4 total weeks in the middle of cycle and then let it go. You'll lose most of the gains from it - you just want to rely on as little as possible of aDrol to get the anabolic profile to assist in lifts that Tren will help put on lean mass that you can retain + the joint lubrication qualities of aDrol.
* Split Test injections to EOD instead of 2x/week. This will keep your peaks/valleys low and get you a higher quality cycle w/ more consistent hormone levels and less sides.
* where's your PCT?
Aim for getting those peaks and valleys into more of a "ripple in a pond" vs "cardiac arrest spikes" kind of saturation curves. I've attached a second pic for comparison (totally different compounds than you're on but useful for the comparison that I'm trying to explain where it comes to consistent dosing that smooths out doses.)
Steroid Plot URL: https://tinyurl.com/nkz9tfv
- 50 mg Anadrol, taken every day from week 1 through week 2.
- 100 mg Anadrol, taken every day from week 3 through week 3.
- 150 mg Anadrol, taken every day from week 4 through week 10.
- 50 mg Anadrol, taken every day from week 11 through week 12.
- 300 mg Testosterone Cypionate, taken every 7 days from week 1 through week 2.
- 600 mg Testosterone Cypionate, taken every 7 days from week 3 through week 3.
- 600 mg Testosterone Cypionate, taken every 7 days from week 4 through week 10.
- 300 mg Testosterone Cypionate, taken every 7 days from week 11 through week 12.
- 50 mg Trenbolone Acetate, taken every 3 days from week 1 through week 2.
- 100 mg Trenbolone Acetate, taken every 3 days from week 3 through week 10.
- 100 mg Trenbolone Acetate, taken every 3 days from week 11 through week 12.
Cardiac Arrest Peaks+Valleys
Ripples in a Pond
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08-26-2015, 04:30 PM #13Originally Posted by ambernightly
Maybe I am reading it wrong, the plot does say to take a-drol for 12 weeks and 600mg of test in one shot?
I like the Idea of switching compounds every week and split the dosages more evenly.
Right know I am in week nr 2 so I can easily adjust without loosing anything.
For the pct appart from hcg and clomyd and tamox I was thinking aminoacids, glutamine and lower the carb increase the protein intake.
I take everyday
Cod liver 1 tab
Fish oil 1 tab
Pharmaton 1 tab
Calcium 1 tab
Vitamin C 1 tab
Almost only drink iced green decoffeinated tea, (about 3 ltrs ED) no alcohol, processed fats (no cheat day).
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08-27-2015, 03:31 AM #14
How does this look like:
WEEKS 3, 5, 7, 9
100 Mg. Anadrol / ED
75 Mg. Trenbolone / EOD
20 Mg Nolva / ED
WEEKS 4, 6, 8, 10
100 Mg. Anadrol / ED
150mg Cypionate / EOD
20 Mg Nolva / ED
PCT
20 Mg Nolva / ED
Terpafen 50 mg /ED from Week 6
HCG 20 days after last pin
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08-27-2015, 08:44 AM #15
Hi mate your irish I'm guessing??haha
I used that biosira stuff before and it's CRAP used there tren A and it was like I doubled my test dose so have a guess what I reckon was it?!?!I got mine of a friend of a friend in Dublin...never again!
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08-27-2015, 08:51 AM #16
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08-27-2015, 09:03 AM #17Originally Posted by mark woods
So far so good tho
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08-27-2015, 09:16 AM #18Originally Posted by mark woods
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08-27-2015, 09:31 AM #19
Is your test the same colour as your tren ?
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08-27-2015, 09:36 AM #20
I do ALL pinning with slin needles only prob is when I run a blend which can be thick i.e 450ml...still no prob I draw with 21g and back load the slin pins all very easy and you never have to jab urself with HARPOON!
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08-27-2015, 09:38 AM #21Originally Posted by mark woods
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08-27-2015, 09:39 AM #22Originally Posted by mark woods
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08-27-2015, 09:40 AM #23Originally Posted by mark woods
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08-27-2015, 10:50 AM #25Originally Posted by mark woods
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08-31-2015, 01:53 AM #26
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08-31-2015, 03:04 AM #27Originally Posted by Irish_muscle
HCG ?
AI?
Mikva and clomid during cycle or what?NO SOURCES GIVEN
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08-31-2015, 03:39 AM #28Originally Posted by Back In Black
Nolva and clomid during and after cycle
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08-31-2015, 03:54 AM #29
HCG should be used in cycle.
Why would you take nolva and clomid during cycle?
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08-31-2015, 04:04 AM #30Originally Posted by Back In Black
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08-31-2015, 04:41 AM #31
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08-31-2015, 04:51 AM #32
For somebody running advanced compounds your rudimentary knowledge is severely lacking. I get why people think that nolva on cycle is ok, it's old school. But clomid too?
Plus you've been here long enough, been directed to well run cycles and still come up with this.
I'm gonna wish you luck mate and suggest you do your research fully in future rather than starting incomplete cycles and still not getting it right several weeks in in spite of advice given.
So, good luck.NO SOURCES GIVEN
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08-31-2015, 05:06 AM #33Originally Posted by Back In Black
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Tell em how you plan to eat 8000kcak a day, too lol! a dirty bulk on top of it - no AI/& blasting hCG at the end -clomid and Nolva during - what have you learned here
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08-31-2015, 05:49 AM #35Originally Posted by Irish_muscle
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HCG on cycle(why use a suppressive at the end when trying to recover - doesn't make much sense) plus taking it while on cycle keeps your testes functional which aids in a better recovery!
Why clomid/nolva(I see for gyno if you had a flare up) but no need on cycle(I've not heard of clomid being used on cycle)?!
A-drol - please listen and don't run it consecutively for 12 wks you'll be yellow(w/jaundice) - what you could also do is pulse your oral(like Ambernightly suggested) but you could do it 14on 10of 14 on 14 off etc - this saves your liver(please take good liver supps too) and cuts down on side effects - if you experience any sides from the a-drol drop it immediately as your defeating the purpose of a pulse!
Plus Where's your DA, AI etc?
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