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    From cut to bulk

    Age 18
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    Weight 177lbs
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    Hi guys. Recently been convinced to switch from a very long cut to a lean bulk. I have no experience in bulking other than eating as much as possible...

    This is was I propose to eat and feel I could get along with for the average day

    Oats 80g
    Chicken 800g
    4 eggs
    Brown rice 750g
    Tuna 200g
    Light mayo 60g
    Brocolli
    3000 calories
    300p 290c 72f

    I am also interested in carb cycling in my bulk to minimise fat gain...

    What would be the suggested drop in carbs on low days? And what frequency should I start with of low to high days... I understand everyone is difference but a heads up would be nice.

    Tdee is supposedly around 2700-2800 but I don't know how accurate that is.

    Any help would be appreciated guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowedzeus View Post
    Age 18
    Height 5'11
    Weight 177lbs
    Eye colour blue

    Hi guys. Recently been convinced to switch from a very long cut to a lean bulk. I have no experience in bulking other than eating as much as possible...

    This is was I propose to eat and feel I could get along with for the average day

    Oats 80g
    Chicken 800g
    4 eggs
    Brown rice 750g
    Tuna 200g
    Light mayo 60g
    Brocolli
    3000 calories
    300p 290c 72f

    I am also interested in carb cycling in my bulk to minimise fat gain...

    What would be the suggested drop in carbs on low days? And what frequency should I start with of low to high days... I understand everyone is difference but a heads up would be nice.

    Tdee is supposedly around 2700-2800 but I don't know how accurate that is.

    Any help would be appreciated guys
    Zeus
    A slow cut and a lean bulk are essentially the same thing. I'm not a carb cycling guru like some on here. I would lean bulk on on Keto diets and did really well with that.

    Edit: just saw you are going 2-300 above TDEE. I think at a minimum to gain muscle mass would be in the 500 calorie range. It takes 3500 calories to build one pound of muscle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post

    A slow cut and a lean bulk are essentially the same thing. I'm not a carb cycling guru like some on here. I would lean bulk on on Keto diets and did really well with that.

    How many calories are you going to go above your TDEE?
    Hey man. I've done a couple of runs on keto when cutting. Effective but didn't feel great on the old heart.

    Supposedly my tdee is around 2800 so just over 200calories above. I haven't eaten above my tdee very often for a long time

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    You can start with 200 and increase towards 500 in the next 2 weeks , see what suits you

    I'm not sure u actually need that much protein on ur size , i'd reduce protein a bit and increase carbs

    I'd go high carbs on days u do legs/back/chest
    moderate on shoulders and arms
    and i'd pick one complete rest day with low(er) carbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myers View Post
    You can start with 200 and increase towards 500 in the next 2 weeks , see what suits you

    I'm not sure u actually need that much protein on ur size , i'd reduce protein a bit and increase carbs

    I'd go high carbs on days u do legs/back/chest
    moderate on shoulders and arms
    and i'd pick one complete rest day with low(er) carbs

    Would you reduced protein by 50 or 100 on training days would you say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowedzeus View Post
    Would you reduced protein by 50 or 100 on training days would you say?
    Keep protein constant , just reduce it by 50 and increase carbs by 50

    Hope vets will take a look, and critique, they are far more knowledgable than me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myers View Post

    Keep protein constant , just reduce it by 50 and increase carbs by 50

    Hope vets will take a look, and critique, they are far more knowledgable than me
    Thanks myers appreciate it bro hope my stomach can handle the carbs

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    I second the notion of dropping some protein and replacing it with carbs. Like any diet, stick to it for a week or two before making any adjustments such as raising or lowering cals. Since you're not sure how accurate your TDEE is, it's best to just start lower and raise your cals later if you aren't gaining. Then you'll get a better idea of your actual TDEE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sark View Post
    I second the notion of dropping some protein and replacing it with carbs. Like any diet, stick to it for a week or two before making any adjustments such as raising or lowering cals. Since you're not sure how accurate your TDEE is, it's best to just start lower and raise your cals later if you aren't gaining. Then you'll get a better idea of your actual TDEE.
    Thanks sark that's what I'll do

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