new protocal!!

[Indiana J]

So after fighting my gp, I finally decided to go with a clinic. Here's the plan:
Test c- 200mg / week
Hcg - 250 x 2/ week
Anastrozole- 1mg x 2/ week
Dhea/pregnenolone 25mg/200mg- 1ml eod
Thoughts?!?
Thanks for everyone's help up to this point. I've learned a lot on here!

[kelkel]

Great to see you backfilling with Dhea/preg. Smart. Why start with 200mg per week? Seems high and more is not better. Why not 100mg for a period of time and determine where your at/how your feeling coupled with more BW to see exactly what you need! My .02 would be to start at 100mg w/ .5 Anas x2 per week and pace yourself. It's not a race, it's for life.

[zaggahamma]

looks ok but agree more isnt always better

maybe run that for 4-6 months ...get you goals and then maintain with a lower dose

[steroid.com 1]

The guys are correct...starting at 200 mg a week is a lot. Start low and work up slowly is the correct protocol.

If you are going to go with the 200 mg I would highly suggest you split that into two weekly injections to control E2 and keep serum levels more steady. Say 100 mg Monday morning and 100 mg Thursday night.

It's a good protocol. Clinics can get a bad rape sometimes but for the most part the Doctors know correct TRT protocols and ongoing management.

[Indiana J]

Thanks for the input. I like the idea of splitting the t. I wasn't too sure @ the Dhea cream, I couldn't find much info on it. What would be the "average" you guys are taking?

[flatscat]

Some do just fine on weekly injections - experience and B/W should tell you which one is better for you. Still have yet to see any B/W results differentiating E2 levels.

[bass]

also split your AI to 1/2 mgs doses. i started with 200 mgs per week and stayed on it for a long time, now i am om 100 mgs per week split twice a week and feel so much better than 200!

PS. just raise it to 120 per week just to see if it makes any difference!

[Indiana J]

The only e2 test I had was estradiol. Came back @ 40 w normal range ending at 39.9. Is there another test I should ask for?
Bass:
Yea, the protocol is for 6 months then retesting. Barring any unforeseen effects. I know it will take awhile to dial everything in. I'm just looking forward to feeling better.

[zaggahamma]

e2 is estradiol

[Indiana J]

Some do just fine on weekly injections - experience and B/W should tell you which one is better for you. Still have yet to see any B/W results differentiating E2 levels.

Jpk: I was wondering what he meant by differentiating

[zaggahamma]

Jpk: I was wondering what he meant by differentiating

i did too

but i'm thinking he meant from shooting twice a week vs. once a week(like he and i do) and how e2 relates to either method

[SUPERMAN5039]

Great to see you backfilling with Dhea/preg. Smart. Why start with 200mg per week? Seems high and more is not better. Why not 100mg for a period of time and determine where your at/how your feeling coupled with more BW to see exactly what you need! My .02 would be to start at 100mg w/ .5 Anas x2 per week and pace yourself. It's not a race, it's for life.

I agree. I do ,when not cycling ( 2 cycles a year and they aren't really hardcore cycles.) only 100 mgs every 10 DAYS and I feel good. I maintain all my gains both in size and strength while crusing on 100 mgs every 10 days. But hey we are all unique so who knows u might need 200 a week.. Good luck to ya..

[steroid.com 1]

Jpk: I was wondering what he meant by differentiating

What Flats meant, and jpk has it right; there are no documented studies that can show proof that weekly injections versus twice a week have any impact on E2 and test serum levels.

Some men, like myself, feel better on twice weekly injections instead of one big one; less highs and lows, more even levels. My E2 levels are text book and it just feels right to me.

For others, once a week works fine as well.

I am just a believer in smaller doses more frequently...mimics normal endocrine function.

[fit2bOld]

Better to start low and work up on the test. I'm at 60 mg 2x a week no highs or lows and BW has me coming in at about 775 on the quest scale which is in the upper range. I take .25 mg daily of anastrozole (compounded) have had to battle with getting the E down. When first diagnosed my E was through the roof and test at 223 felt like shit. Feel great now 2 years later.

Take it slow and dial it in.

[zaggahamma]

Better to start low and work up on the test. I'm at 60 mg 2x a week no highs or lows and BW has me coming in at about 775 on the quest scale which is in the upper range. I take .25 mg daily of anastrozole (compounded) have had to battle with getting the E down. When first diagnosed my E was through the roof and test at 223 felt like shit. Feel great now 2 years later.

Take it slow and dial it in.

thanks and welcome

[flatscat]

What Flats meant, and jpk has it right; there are no documented studies that can show proof that weekly injections versus twice a week have any impact on E2 and test serum levels.

Some men, like myself, feel better on twice weekly injections instead of one big one; less highs and lows, more even levels. My E2 levels are text book and it just feels right to me.

For others, once a week works fine as well.

I am just a believer in smaller doses more frequently...mimics normal endocrine function.

He has a name and thanks for saying it G.

[zaggahamma]

He has a name and thanks for saying it G.

sorry broski

[flatscat]

Aw I was just hacking on ya - like flats is my name anyway.....lmao. But you were right in guessing the meaning of my statement.

[bass]

What Flats meant, and jpk has it right; there are no documented studies that can show proof that weekly injections versus twice a week have any impact on E2 and test serum levels.

Some men, like myself, feel better on twice weekly injections instead of one big one; less highs and lows, more even levels. My E2 levels are text book and it just feels right to me.

For others, once a week works fine as well.

I am just a believer in smaller doses more frequently...mimics normal endocrine function.

these are the magic words!

[Indiana J]

Everything ordered and should be here Fri. Very excited, besides for the sticker shock.

[steroid.com 1]

Everything ordered and should be here Fri. Very excited, besides for the sticker shock.

LOL...been there done that!

In 3 months from now you'd be happy to pay double; trust me

Happy for you man!

Keep us posted on results.

gd

[zaggahamma]

LOL...been there done that!

In 3 months from now you'd be happy to pay double; trust me

Happy for you man!

Keep us posted on results.

gd

ditto

[Indiana J]

Alright guys. 1st injection was on Monday! Took .5 mg ai Tuesday. 250 hcg this am. Can't yell a difference w the test yet, but WOW this hcg stuff is great! Injected @ 8 am, gf came home from work @3 and ummm.... Talking about volume!!! Thought I sprung a leak LOL!

[Drmagic]

Great to see you backfilling with Dhea/preg. Smart. Why start with 200mg per week? Seems high and more is not better. Why not 100mg for a period of time and determine where your at/how your feeling coupled with more BW to see exactly what you need! My .02 would be to start at 100mg w/ .5 Anas x2 per week and pace yourself. It's not a race, it's for life.

Agree, 120 - 150 mg/week is my standard dosing when I get a patient started. Not everyone needs AI to start either. You'll find what works for you over time, lot of good stuff coming for you though, it will change your life brother!

[fit2bOld]

Look forward to hearing about your progress Indiana, keep us posted on how you feel.....

[devildog1967]

I started on 200mg a week and that was a silly mistake .. now on only 80mg every 6 days and its really good. like the others say more is not always better