Berg execution was a FAKE

**daman1** · 05-19-2004, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Martha

No he ****ing was not. He was posting and then being a dick. Now you come along and try to say what his reaoning was. He meant what he ****ing meant and tried to cover it up by saying, not that I believe it and then flaming Warrior for disagreeing.

Whew! A lot of hostility in those cheeks...

**symatech** · 05-19-2004, 01:22 PM

here is a much more civilized version of this thread where people dont blame the liberals for everything

they actually put in good discussion instead of the usual liberal bashing bull****. grow up

http://67.18.108.244/showthread.php?t=100715

**Mart651** · 05-19-2004, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by symatech

here is a much more civilized version of this thread where people dont blame the liberals for everything

they actually put in good discussion instead of the usual liberal bashing bull****. grow up

http://67.18.108.244/showthread.php?t=100715

I have not said one thing about liberals. I just said this guy is a dick. I will save my liberal bashing for when it is deserved.

I believe in saying what you mean and meaning what you say. He did not.

**tryingtogetbig** · 05-19-2004, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by symatech

here is a much more civilized version of this thread where people dont blame the liberals for everything

they actually put in good discussion instead of the usual liberal bashing bull****. grow up

http://67.18.108.244/showthread.php?t=100715

hhmmmm......I only saw "liberal" mentioned one time.....and that is "liberal bashing bull****"????....maybe a "guilty consience"?

And....who are you telling to grow up.......

peace,

ttgb

**symatech** · 05-19-2004, 01:49 PM

i thought it was obvious

**sp9** · 05-19-2004, 02:00 PM

This was already posted before and got tons of responces. Can we delete this one? How many times do we have to post the same thing? Thanks.

**Mart651** · 05-19-2004, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by symatech

i thought it was obvious

thats sort of what I was talking about. say what you mean.

**Elliot** · 05-19-2004, 02:10 PM

Can someone please close all these threads.. this is stupid.. and no matter what is said it isnt going to bring him back..

**Wiggum** · 05-19-2004, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by tryingtogetbig

Maybe, in his opinion, he didn't like the thread content nor the objective the thread was tyring to prove....in his opinion, of course.

Maybe, in his opinion, he thought the thread was a bunch of bullshiet and wanted to share his opinion of such.....it is his opinion, after all.....everyone has one.....

peace,

ttgb

You totally missed my point.

Opinions = good

(whether I agree with them or not)

Bashing and name calling = bad

(and doesn't move the conversation anywhere)

**Wiggum** · 05-19-2004, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by OGPackin

Another bleeding heart liberal n00b...

OG

Thanks for proving my point OG. Your comment takes the conversation on a fast train to nowhere.

**OGPackin** · 05-19-2004, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Wiggum

Thanks for proving my point OG. Your comment takes the conversation on a fast train to nowhere.

Annnnd thats exactly where it should go...

Have a nice day!

OG

**CoRnErBaCk_BlItZ** · 05-19-2004, 05:56 PM

[QUOTE=3vil3lmo] but the kind of hatred say, God has for the Devil.

QUOTE]

U see ur wrong there 'GOD' doesnt 'HATE' any1
SO in light of this i find ur reasoning to be flawed

Some good points although i read that berg had anto semitic (sp?) papers on him and a koran - the koran can be explained but the papers hmmmmm....
Plus that kid who got locked up via the FBI b4 9/11 for learning to fly commercial planes supposedly used Bergs e-mail for contact with ppl...

Anyway Im off to iraq this Saturday as previously stated...
Take care everyone
'its been emotional'
Back in 3 months hopefully!
blitz signing out

**Speed Trials** · 05-19-2004, 06:02 PM

Hey Blitz, good luck and Godspeed, bro. Stay safe.

**tryingtogetbig** · 05-19-2004, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by symatech

i thought it was obvious

since you won't come right out and say what you mean (typical liberal response)....I'll assume you are referring to the "guilty conscience" part of my earlier thread......

peace,

ttgb

***BajanBastard*** · 05-19-2004, 06:09 PM

yeah keep safe Blitz!

**tryingtogetbig** · 05-19-2004, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Wiggum

You totally missed my point.

Opinions = good

(whether I agree with them or not)

Bashing and name calling = bad

(and doesn't move the conversation anywhere)

Bashing = Bashing no matter how it is done. This thread started off "bashing" the USA. Just because he isn't using direct wording or language does not matter....it is still bashing....surely, you can see that.

peace,

ttgb

**tryingtogetbig** · 05-19-2004, 06:12 PM

[QUOTE=CoRnErBaCk_BlItZ]

Originally Posted by 3vil3lmo

but the kind of hatred say, God has for the Devil.

QUOTE]

U see ur wrong there 'GOD' doesnt 'HATE' any1
SO in light of this i find ur reasoning to be flawed

Some good points although i read that berg had anto semitic (sp?) papers on him and a koran - the koran can be explained but the papers hmmmmm....
Plus that kid who got locked up via the FBI b4 9/11 for learning to fly commercial planes supposedly used Bergs e-mail for contact with ppl...

Anyway Im off to iraq this Saturday as previously stated...
Take care everyone
'its been emotional'
Back in 3 months hopefully!
blitz signing out

Like I said the other day bro.....stay safe.....look forward to seeing you back on here soon!!

....and remember....the people that aren't supporting the troops and the goals of the coalition forces are a very small group of the citizens....The majority of us are very respectful for what you are about to go do bro.....Godspeed....

peace,

ttgb

**PrairieDawg** · 05-19-2004, 07:55 PM

while everyone is arguing I would like to prove this cocky SOB that his story he is 'neutral' to is wrong.

Originally Posted by 3vil3lmo

1) Most people replied by asserting that the execution occured as retribution to the abuse photos that had surfaced, but you have to ask yourself - do these terrorists, who are clearly capable of brainwashing people to the point where they are willing to kill and be killed for their beliefs, really have no concept of political tact? Here they are, the whole world screaming at the US for hypocrisy and injustice over these pictures, and they perform and publish this execution right in the heat of the scandal. In other words, these masters of brainwashing and spin and deception release a video of a despicable act just as the US, their sworn enemy, is being globally grilled. Does this make sense to you?

why would they want to waste their time brainwashing the guy when they could do something much worse? Remember these guys were pissed about the treatment of the Iraqi prisoners. I believe their goal was to piss off the US and avenge what the they did to the prisoners. I hate to say it but goal achieved.

2) Second, I wonder what the standard issue chair is at Abu Ghraib prison?

I don't care if you didnt see any lawn chairs when you were over in Iraq (which I don't believe you were). These guys travelled to Iraq from all over the world to do terrorist sh!t. They couldnt have picked up a chair along the way??

3) Is it not interesting that the wall colour at Abu Ghraib prison is identical to that of the video?

color seems pretty plain and common to me. I don't remember seeing any vivid colors in any of the news reports I've seen on tv in Iraq. when was the last time you seen anything besides biege on CNN when they cover Iraq? think about it for a sec.

4) Is it not also interesting that Berg is wearing the same orange jumpsuit worn by prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison? Sure, you say, perhaps he was kidnapped directly from the prison (as stupid as this sounds, anyway) - but then can you please explain (7)?

so is it so unlikely that they DID kidnap him directly from the prison? I think its MORE unlikely that this was faked if you ask me! Also, is it so hard to steal a few orange jumpsuits?

5) Is it also not interesting that the timecodes in the video jump back and forth?

oh so now the terrorists are so primative they can't edit their own video?

6) Is it also not interesting that Berg did not exhibit any of the convulsions that typically accompany decapitation? I am suggesting here that Berg was already dead when the decapitation occured (which accounts for 5). Before you go calling me crazy, please review the evidence; why did he not exhibit the convulsions that go hand in hand with decapitation (especially such an extended one)?

I (regretfully) watched the part where they held him down and he was sitting on his knees right before they grabbed him. Pretty hard to prop up a dead guy. And it is also hard to go into convusions when there's 4 men holding you down.

7) Is it not curious that the US denies contact with Berg, and yet his friends and family insist that he told them he was being held by the US? Huh? Why?

I read an article that said everything the US did with Berg and they are not denying contact (anymore if they ever were) and they did release him before these guys got him.

8) Another tape oddity - the men SPEAK RUSSIAN for several seconds. Not only that, but they speak Arabic with Russian accents. That's right, in the final seconds of the tape, one of the men speaks in Russian. Those here who understand russian (and have the stomach to view that final seconds of the video) can verify this. Those who speak Arabic will be able to verify that these men speak Arabic in Russian accents.

there is no arabic men in russia? there have been arabic canadians and americains arrested for terrorism. what are the sources on this anyways? I thought it was concluded the man with the knife in the video had a Egyptian accent?

9) Finally (the physical evidence that will convince you in case you already aren't)...
You will notice, in watching the video, that 6 times, a gold ring flashes on the hand of the executioner. What is the problem? Islam completely and utterly forbids men to wear gold rings. This fanatical muslim, willing to kill in a gutwrenching manner, and be killed for his beliefs, is violating one of the clear prohibitions of his religion? Really? DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

If I'm not mistaken, Islam forbids ill treatment of prisoners. They obviously didnt obey that so why the hell would they obey anything else?

10) Nick Berg understands Arabic, but sits calmy while statement is read, waiting to be killed. Hmm?

I have read up on nick berg and he did NOT speak arabic fluently. In fact, in an interview his parents told reporters that he struggled with the language while living in Iraq.

11) One of the executioners is wearing Air Jordans. WHAT?

they dont have shoe stores in the mid east? I suppose they all should be wearing wooden sandels while riding a camel.

12) The "terrorists" signed the video, yet they wear hoods and masks. Why?

I could be wrong but I believe the US concluded that the man using the knife said he was someone else than who they identified him to be with voice anylasis. maybe he wanted them to chase someone else. who knows.

13) The "terrorists" have lily white hands.

this is not a very good arguement as the video is poor quality and lighting could have been a factor.

14) The video time is in US Military English. What the hell?

maybe they stole it or even bought the camera off the black market, there are many possibilities.

I cant believe I wasted my time on something that was so obvious. screw this I'm going to go watch some hockey and eat some chicken.

**LilVito469** · 05-19-2004, 08:12 PM

Guys !! Cant We All Just Get Along!!! And Make Peace, Not War?!?!?

**Gorgoroth_** · 11-03-2004, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by 3vil3lmo

Iraq, the one next to Iran. But yeah, you're kinda close there.

Iraq have no terrorist connections, its been proved! YOU MISSED MY POINT! Do you know ANYTHING about Islam? If you did, then you would know that Saddam and Osama come from two different sects, sects that ****ING HATE each other. Not the kind of hate you have for Iraqies or anyone from the middle east, but the kind of hatred say, God has for the Devil.

I never said I believed this, ****ing read the first line. Are none of you dumbasses able to read the first sentance where it says "This is NOT my opinion but an interesting read!"

Apparently it is your opinion - you are defending it left and right and if this " interesting idea " is logical then you'd be " illogical " not to believe it , yes ?

Saddam and Osama are not of " different sects ". Saddam for one is not a Muslim whereas Osama is part of a radical branch of islam. Also , they're ethnic backgrounds really do not clash - Saddam having been born in Iraq , Osama being born to a VERY wealthy saudi family.

They're quite afew connections between the two men. for example , the mastermind behide the first attack on the Trade Center's was the nephew of one of saddam's top advisors. Osama and Saddam would indeed form an alliance together to break the U.S or bring harm to israel.

When France and the U.S sided together in the American Revolution they did not do so out of love , but out of a common hatred for the English - the relationship between saddam and osama is (was) the same. Do I think Saddam was currently funding osama with biological weapons ? no , probably not . Was there a good chance he would ? Yes . Could they have formed plans together ? Yes .

I think if the U.S " faked " the tape it would be without flaw.

***BajanBastard*** · 11-03-2004, 04:56 PM

It's clear now that these sick video are really for the terrorist to see and not really for normal people more like "ha we got another infidel"

**Gorgoroth_** · 11-03-2004, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

It's clear now that these sick video are really for the terrorist to see and not really for normal people more like "ha we got another infidel"

Good point , raises the morale of other terrorist and terrorist sympathizers.

**markas214** · 11-03-2004, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by 3vil3lmo

You havn't come back with any good refuting points, so it is more the other way around, you arn't taking the article and thinking.

Did america have time to do a proper job on it? Probably not, and it is very hard to alter IMAGE (ie. timestamp) on a VHS. On a 9mm (or any other size) reel it is far easier.

What is there to refute? I believe the whole theory is bullsh*t. If you're looking for a point by point rebuttal I believe Prariedawg did a good job. As far as convulsions, I've seen a dozen of these decapitation videos and never saw a convulsing body. So believe as you may but to me it's fantasy.