There is absolutely NO WAY there are this many people born truly gay!!!

[Gorgoroth_]

Cool.







Well, look at what gays get "pushed" on them -- all those TV shows full of scantily-clad wenches trying their dammdest to get horny guys to screw 'em. The vast majority of advertising features heterosexuals at play, trying to get laid by someone of the opposite sex. About 10% of all books sold in the United States are romance novels, where women fantasize about turning male studs into sex slaves. Open most any magazine, and you'll find it chuck full of heterosexuals unabashedly demonstrating for all to see what their sexual orientation is. Walk through your local shopping mall, and you'll see horny heterosexual teenagers doing the same thing.

Gays are, the best anyone can tell, only about 3% of the US population, and are accustomed to seeing heterosexuals carry on like dogs in heat all the time. It's no big thing. But when you straight people see a couple of gays or lesbians doing the same thing in public that y'all do in public, you act as if the only permissible public affection is heterosexual public affection -- it's like y'all are trying to preserve a patent or copyright on it . . . sheesh . . .
It's pretty much the same reaction conservative southerners had to mixed marriages -- they passed laws against it, lynched people to indulged in it, and were generally rude, crude, and socially embarrassing.
Ugh.








I agree with you there.
But, the issue is not sexual orientation, it's public sex, which would be as disruptive if heterosexuals were the ones engaging in annoying lechery and orgies. Yes?







This is a principle that works both ways, don'tcha know . . .









Well, tough.
People in the US have what's called a First Amendment Right to free speech. You get to say you don't like gay marriage, and gays get to say they want to have unhappy marriages just like the rest of y'all. IF you don't want your kids to see stuff like that, then you're gonna have to pluck out their eyeballs, 'cause sooner or later they're gonna encounter it. It would be much better if you took time to give them your take on the topic, give 'em your reasons why you think the way you do, and after that, they are gonna think what they think, and there's nothing you can do about that.

It's better that kids discover if they are gay before they end up in marriages to heterosexuals. Lordy lordy, it almost happened to me -- I grew up in a household where nobody talked about sex. My friends didn't talk about it, nobody talked about it. Ya, it was weird, but that's how it was. And it's that way for lots of kids. Nobody talks sense about homosexuality, so they discover too late that they really don't like sex with their spouse. Geez, do you want your kids to marry someone who hasn't figured out that they're actually homosexual instead of heterosexual? If nobody explains that such things exist to kids, well, that could happen.

So . . . cover your kid's eyes, let them grow up in ignorance of what's going on in the world, and suffer the consequenses. Or, talk sense to 'em about the characteristics of other people and other things and prepare them for what they're gonna face when they're out on their own.

It's up to you.

-Tock

Hmm... So you didn't commit to marriage because the sex wasn't on par with your expectations so you turned to men I take it ? So you decide if you'll stay in a relationship solely around the sexual gradification you get during/after sex ? That seems pretty shallow - but a lot of straight people also follow the same moral ethos and tenets.

Where is the line in the sand drawn ? If homosexual marriages become legal in the U.S why can't I be a polygamist , Why does my bride have to " be of age " ? What decides morality ? Apparently your whims decide your own.

As for " covering a kid's eyes " - I would rather sex not be in the minds of my children when I have them until there of age. I'd like for my children to be children - to be " innocent " I suppose.

I thought i'd just throw this out there , but my father works with sexually abused children. Some of the children have to wear diapers because the muscles in their rectrum and anus have been torn asunder and their colons have been perforated. All of them display homosexual/bisexual tendencies , some of the boys will even attempt to rape others. Now , I know a homosexual and a pedophile are different , but I find that every homosexual I know has been abused - all the gay guys i've known have been sexually abused by an older male. The child tries to justify the abuse by making it " acceptable " in his mind. Boys grow up thinking their suppose to be strong , and when dominanted in such a way they try to " correct " it in any way possible - since they cannot prevent the abuse they convience themselves thats it pleasureable.

Simply put - most gays I know have been victims of sexual abuse.

[Gorgoroth_]

I would hardly call homosexuality " normal ". Are albino's normal ? they occur in nature - and probably more frequently than " homosexual " animals.

One point i'd like to raise about " gay animals " is some animals of the same gender do " mount " one another ( Dogs namely ) but is that done for sexual gradification or is it done as a means to show dominance ? You have no way of knowing.

[Bigen12]

Uh.......no. Im saying with the current environment, little children can get confused (as your brother did) due to the environment

If this is so, I grew up in the same “environment”, why am I not gay?

EVERYTHING an infant learned is taugh or learned by someones example.....eating, writing, speach, morals, personality, etc. So why would sexual preff. be any different?

How about instincts?

The instinct to suck on the nipple?

The instinct to hold their breath under water?

So using your logic, it would, in your theory, be possible to force every person on the earth to be Gay simply by controlling their behavior and environment at child hood?

I want studies.......give me proof that people are BORN gay. Its just retarded...

I’ve read the information that you have provided, and none of it is absolute proof, that people are not born gay.

I am not able to find absolute proof that people can be born gay, there is no proof one way or the other.

After readind my two above posts, no reasonable person can still argue the "im born gay" theory.

http://www.borngayprocon.org/pop/conflicts.htm

It just depends on which expert you listen to, some say you are born gay, some say you aren’t.

[freon]

Where is the line in the sand drawn ? If homosexual marriages become legal in the U.S why can't I be a polygamist , Why does my bride have to " be of age " ? What decides morality ? Apparently your whims decide your own.

The difference is this. There is a right, protected by the 14th Amdendment to "equal protection". Simply put, you must treat each person the same in the eyes of the law. If you allow two people to marry, you must be insensitive to the genders of those people, just as you must be insensitive to their race. If the aim of government-sanctioned marriage is to promote stable monogamous relationships, it's counterintuitive to exclude anyone who wants to make such a commitment.

but I find that every homosexual I know has been abused - all the gay guys i've known have been sexually abused by an older male.

So, you were molested by an older woman and that made you straight?

I'm pretty sure I know more gay guys than you, and I can't think of any who have told me of a history of abuse. Examining a group known to have been abused for homosexual tendencies does not give you a sample of the population at large.

[RA]

Were here, were queer, get over it. Pure poetry.

[Vanmuscle]

I'm a homo. I grew up in a small town within a nuclear family, not a gay person in sight. My siblings are all straight, as are my parents. I worked on the farm. I wasn't molested, I wasn't abused, and had a pretty 'normal' upbringing. I played hockey, I did everything my friends did. At the same time, I always knew that I was 'different'. I always liked the company of girls too, but didn't want to **** them. I completed my education and became a professional. Throughout my 31 years so far, I have come out to my friends, family, co-workers. I'm not sure what led me down this road, but I can guarantee that I didn't choose it. Maybe it's genetics, maybe it's upbringing (although i'm not sure why my brothers are straight), maybe a it's a combination... I just know it's not something that I ever would have wanted or chosen, but am not bitter about either. People wouldn't know I'm gay to look at me, but I'm fortunate to live in a city (and country) that's more open-minded, and I would say tolerant. I go about my life, with my partner of 4 years, and live it the best way I know how. I volunteer. Like my parents taught me, I treat myself and others with respect. I guess if you call being in a monogamous long term relationship whose members both contribute to the community, andI won't judge others for the life they live because they were born to, or even choose...I don't know what it's like to be in their shoes, just as straight people don't know what is' like to have had my experience. My nieces and nephews know what gay means, and aren't afraid of it... they probably will all be straight, but maybe more tolerant. If that's corrupting society, I give up. I don't look for approval from the straight community, but I really just don't understand why people have to be so concerned with who someone wants to spend the rest of their life with.

[Indymuscleguy]

VanMuscle

Great Post.

Indymuscleguy

[SwoleCat]

I I really just don't understand why people have to be so concerned with who someone wants to spend the rest of their life with.

I have no issues w/gay men liking other gay men, doing what they wish together, hookin' up, etc.

My problem lies when they impose upon me and try to come at me, when I am with my wife and son for instance. This has happened on more than one occassion, and that is the issue that I have w/it. If I don't go around bothering them, why do they think it's okay to then bother a "STRAIGHT" man? It's one thing to hit on a guy, but when he's with his wife?? (aka PUSSY!!!)

It's like "duh you stupid f*cker", open your eyes! On the Net too, it's known that I am married/straight, yet I get all types of mail/e-mail from guys saying some rather perverted shit, right on this very board as a matter of FACT, and it's f*cking sickening for lack of any other better way to describe it.

That is my issue. Ya'll bone who you wish where you want w/vaseline or otherwise, but keep that shit away from me in all regards out of respect. The same respect that I give by not passing judgement or callin' people out who I know are gay. To each his own, but you have to know when you are out of line, and in my experiences all to often they are not able to recognize this.

~SC~

[smokethedays]

I have no issues w/gay men liking other gay men, doing what they wish together, hookin' up, etc.

My problem lies when they impose upon me and try to come at me, when I am with my wife and son for instance. This has happened on more than one occassion, and that is the issue that I have w/it. If I don't go around bothering them, why do they think it's okay to then bother a "STRAIGHT" man? It's one thing to hit on a guy, but when he's with his wife?? (aka PUSSY!!!)

It's like "duh you stupid f*cker", open your eyes! On the Net too, it's known that I am married/straight, yet I get all types of mail/e-mail from guys saying some rather perverted shit, right on this very board as a matter of FACT, and it's f*cking sickening for lack of any other better way to describe it.

That is my issue. Ya'll bone who you wish where you want w/vaseline or otherwise, but keep that shit away from me in all regards out of respect. The same respect that I give by not passing judgement or callin' people out who I know are gay. To each his own, but you have to know when you are out of line, and in my experiences all to often they are not able to recognize this.

~SC~

wanna have a dinner?!!

[SwoleCat]

wanna have a dinner?!!

F*cker!



~SC~

[Indymuscleguy]

I have no issues w/gay men liking other gay men, doing what they wish together, hookin' up, etc.

I agree; I think we have better things to worry about in this world...

The same respect that I give by not passing judgement or callin' people out who I know are gay. To each his own, but you have to know when you are out of line, and in my experiences all to often they are not able to recognize this.

I hope I say or type this correctly:

I think we see similar scenereo's in everyday life. Lables are one of societies biggest problems.

There are great white people and there are not so great white people
There are great black people and there are not so great black people
(Ok ok...this fits for all races!!)
There are great parents and there are not so great parents
There are great str8t women and there are not so great str8t women
There are great str8t men and there are not so great str8t men
There are great lesbians and there are not so great lesbians
There are great gay men and there are not so great gay men

I have close friends in all those catagories. I have been hit on by both sexes and other races...take it as a compliment...and usually that seems to be that. There are always exceptions.

Indymuscleguy

For me it's the PERSON, bottom line. Enjoy the ones I like and at first politely let the others I particularly don't enjoy.

[Tock]

You know, Tock... I don't think we'll EVER get over it.

Ok fine . . .
-Tock

[Keyser Sozey]

Personally, i could care less about someone's sexual orientation. However, i have had a number of gay men hit on me, and it is quite uncomfortable. I do not hoot and whistle at girls and I'm never talking about how I hit this chic or that, so why do I get this in return? I find it very disrespectful when a gay man approaches me in that manner. I don't care if your gay, but don't come to me w/ it. If it's to talk about training, dieting, fine, but just like I don't throw myself on a girl, I don't want anyone hitting on me like that. Where I live there is a high gay population and most do not bother, it's just those that do seem to cross the line.
.02

[_Tiger_]

First of all....
I get hit on by gay guys, and it doesnt bother me, its flattering when ANYONE thinks youre attractive. It just seems like an ugly chick hitting on me..i'm not gonna be like "OH MY GOD GROSS!", of course i dont wnat to fvck them, so why would it upset me? lol

also...do you know how many body builders are gay? a SH*Tload

also...back in the days of Rome, homosexual orgies were more than common, those guys were men of war and everything, i really think its the society you grow up in that determines whether or not your going to look at it and react whatever way your gonna react.

p.s. the guys who act all worried about other guys....it really looks to other women and open minded guys as just a huge weakness..so get over it, make a gay friend or 2 lol

[Tock]

Hmm... So you didn't commit to marriage because the sex wasn't on par with your expectations so you turned to men I take it ? So you decide if you'll stay in a relationship solely around the sexual gradification you get during/after sex ? That seems pretty shallow - but a lot of straight people also follow the same moral ethos and tenets.

That's not quite the situation . . . women just aren't my cup of tea, just like, I presume, that men aren't yours.
If you decided to opt for women solely because of the sexual gratification, well, that's pretty shallow, too, but I doubt that's the case. You like women for whatever reasons, and gays like men for similar "whatever" reasons. Nothing shallow about it.

Where is the line in the sand drawn ? If homosexual marriages become legal in the U.S why can't I be a polygamist ,

IMHO, there's nothing intrinsically immoral with polygamy, as long as everyone involved is an adult capable of making their own reasoned choices, and as long as the children produced are well provided for.

I've seen some reports in the newspaper, however, where polygamists in Utah run the 17 and 18 year olds out of town (ya, these crazy heterosexuals drop 'em off in the middle of nowhere to starve) so there's more women to go around. That sort of thing ain't right, no matter how you slice it. Ugh.

But it seems to me that if society is gonna allow for polygamy, they better be prepared to deal with a lot of lonely, horny bachelors. Probably would be a good setting to promote male homosexuality--at least, from the heterosexual polygamist view.

So, as far as I'm concerned, go ahead and marry a couple or 3 or 4 women. Lots of Bible heros were polygamists, if it was moral for them, I don't see why you can't do it.






[QUOTE=Gorgoroth_] Why does my bride have to " be of age " ?
That's an easy one.
A marriage is a contract between 2 (or for polygamists, more) people, and to have a valid contract, all parties have to be old enough to be presumed to know what they're doing. IMHO, that doesn't usually occur until well past age 40, but for most contracts in most states one must be 18 to enter into a legally binding contract. Because heterosexuals are frequently not able to wait until age 18 to start making babies, most states make exceptions in the law to allow 16 year olds (and sometimes as young as 14) to marry.

The same principle applies to the notion of marrying animals. They cannot enter into a legally binding contact, so your efforts to consummate the relationship with your dog won't affect y'all's legal standing together.

What decides morality ? Apparently your whims decide your own.

No, not my whims, but the whims of mobs.

Consider the morality of the Old Testament . . . back then, not only were homosexuals put to death, but so were sabbath breakers, witches, adulterers, kids who talked back to their parents, people who worshipped gods other than Jehovah, and more. It was ok to sell your daughter into slavery. Charging interest on loans was a big no-no. Eating shrimp or lobster was also a big no-no. Polygamy was ok.
Some people still live by those rules, but they're generally regarded as nuts.

How did those morals evolve into what we've got today? Who got to decide? What was the basis for their decisions?
I'll let you mull those questions over for yourself . . .

As for " covering a kid's eyes " - I would rather sex not be in the minds of my children when I have them until there of age. I'd like for my children to be children - to be " innocent " I suppose.

You won't have any arguement from me on that.
I don't think much of magazines or ads or TV shows that feature heterosexuality gone wild, but there's plenty of that sort of stuff around. For the same reasons, I don't appreciate ads & etc that feature homosexuality gone wild either.
Holding hands in public, mild shows of affection are one thing--probably a good thing for kids to see and learn to mimic (much better than them watching murders on TV). But much more than that, IMHO, should be done in private.

I thought i'd just throw this out there , but my father works with sexually abused children. Some of the children have to wear diapers because the muscles in their rectrum and anus have been torn asunder and their colons have been perforated.

Whoever assaulted them that way should be shot. Period.

All of them display homosexual/bisexual tendencies ,

That's the sort of thing a psychiatrist should handle . . . there's a difference between acting out neuroses induced from trauma, and just being gay or bisexual.

some of the boys will even attempt to rape others.

That's a sure-fire indication of emotional problems, probably induced by the violence forced upon them. Again, it's something for trained professionals to handle.

Now , I know a homosexual and a pedophile are different ,

Congratulations.

but I find that every homosexual I know has been abused - all the gay guys i've known have been sexually abused by an older male.

Child sexual abuse in the USA is pretty high, up around 20% according to a newspaper story I read recently in the Dallas Morning News. I'll betcha there are a lot more sexually abused girls than there are boys. Saw a report on TV last night where a local woman had been hosting sex parties for highschool boys, and she had sex with a lot of 'em. All heterosexual sex, BTW.

Anyway, I know lots of gay guys, and not too many of them have been sexually abused. Some have, yes, but not many.
I knew a guy from Tyler, Texas, and his whole family were holier-than-thou Babtists. He was the smallest guy in the family, and his older brothers and his father regularly screwed him. They all had girlfriends, were otherwise heterosexual, but they somehow thought it was proper for them to sexually abuse this fellow for no other reason than that he acted slightly effiminate.

Got any ideas on how to fix this problem? If I had my way, I'd shoot rapists. Then grind 'em up and feed 'em to livestock. Or maybe just grind 'em up before shooting 'em. Any man who would not, or could not, provide for their children, I'd cut their dick off.

The child tries to justify the abuse by making it " acceptable " in his mind. Boys grow up thinking their suppose to be strong , and when dominanted in such a way they try to " correct " it in any way possible - since they cannot prevent the abuse they convience themselves thats it pleasureable.

I doubt that every case is that simple . . . some kids probably find other ways to deal with the trauma. In any case, it's the sort of thing that trained professionals should handle.

Simply put - most gays I know have been victims of sexual abuse.

I don't doubt your experience.
But, most gays I know have NOT been victims of sexual abuse.
I guess we just run with different crowds, eh?

-Tock

[Keyser Sozey]

First of all....
i'm not gonna be like "OH MY GOD GROSS!", of course i dont wnat to fvck them, so why would it upset me? lol What upsets me is those that continue to stare and carry on. There is no need for that, and that is what makes me uncomfortable.

also...do you know how many body builders are gay? a SH*Tload Agreed

also...back in the days of Rome, homosexual orgies were more than common, those guys were men of war and everything, i really think its the society you grow up in that determines whether or not your going to look at it and react whatever way your gonna react. I am aware of Roman history. In my honest opinion, the gay thing is 50%genes and 50%environment

p.s. the guys who act all worried about other guys....it really looks to other women and open minded guys as just a huge weakness..so get over it, make a gay friend or 2 lol

Lol. I have a friend of mine that used to work the register for me, when I was in the nightclub biz. Cool dude. No one knew he was gay, and that dude made everybody pay the cover (zero people got in free). Great with money and nice guy.

[stayinstacked]

I have no issues w/gay men liking other gay men, doing what they wish together, hookin' up, etc.

My problem lies when they impose upon me and try to come at me, when I am with my wife and son for instance. This has happened on more than one occassion, and that is the issue that I have w/it. If I don't go around bothering them, why do they think it's okay to then bother a "STRAIGHT" man? It's one thing to hit on a guy, but when he's with his wife?? (aka PUSSY!!!)

It's like "duh you stupid f*cker", open your eyes! On the Net too, it's known that I am married/straight, yet I get all types of mail/e-mail from guys saying some rather perverted shit, right on this very board as a matter of FACT, and it's f*cking sickening for lack of any other better way to describe it.

That is my issue. Ya'll bone who you wish where you want w/vaseline or otherwise, but keep that shit away from me in all regards out of respect. The same respect that I give by not passing judgement or callin' people out who I know are gay. To each his own, but you have to know when you are out of line, and in my experiences all to often they are not able to recognize this.

~SC~

Exactly, Swole just summed up my whole point right there. It's a matter of respect. I'd write more about my feelings, but I need to go hit my cardio and train for the show.

[Tock]

I would hardly call homosexuality " normal ". Are albino's normal ? they occur in nature - and probably more frequently than " homosexual " animals.

There's a difference between TYPICAL and NORMAL.
Caucasion skin is TYPICAL in the USA. However, it is still NORMAL for US citizens to have black skin.
Sedans and SUV's are TYPICAL in Texas. But, it is still NORMAL for some folks to drive sports cars.
Mexican food is TYPICAL in Texas' hispanic homes, but it is still NORMAL for them to go out for Italian pizza from time to time.
And by the way, albinos are indeed quite normal. Just not typical.
Similarly, although heterosexuality is TYPICAL, homosexuality is just as NORMAL as Black Americans, sports cars, and a slice of pizza in Juan Valdez's hands.

One point i'd like to raise about " gay animals " is some animals of the same gender do " mount " one another ( Dogs namely ) but is that done for sexual gradification or is it done as a means to show dominance ? You have no way of knowing.

And you have no way of knowing, either.
However, some species of animals do have males mating for life and showing affection in the same way that heterosexual animals do. There's not much indication that a show of humiliation or dominance is an issue in those situations.

Got any more questions?

-Tock

[Tock]

Personally, i could care less about someone's sexual orientation. However, i have had a number of gay men hit on me, and it is quite uncomfortable. I do not hoot and whistle at girls and I'm never talking about how I hit this chic or that, so why do I get this in return? I find it very disrespectful when a gay man approaches me in that manner. I don't care if your gay, but don't come to me w/ it. If it's to talk about training, dieting, fine, but just like I don't throw myself on a girl, I don't want anyone hitting on me like that. Where I live there is a high gay population and most do not bother, it's just those that do seem to cross the line.
.02

No one should be harassed with unwanted sexual advances. However, there are idiots and jerks walking among us that haven't got that message yet.
IMHO, a first offense merits no more than a "No thanks," or "Bug off," followed by an optional insult. Second offense deserves a kick in the nuts. Make the same mistake three times, and the idiot needs to be neutered.

JMHO . . .

-Tock

[Keyser Sozey]

No one should be harassed with unwanted sexual advances. However, there are idiots and jerks walking among us that haven't got that message yet.
IMHO, a first offense merits no more than a "No thanks," or "Bug off," followed by an optional insult. Second offense deserves a kick in the nuts. Make the same mistake three times, and the idiot needs to be neutered.

JMHO . . .

-Tock

Exactly Tock. Even w several offenses (as long as they are not physical), i would still not kick anyone in the nads lol, no matter how much they are crossing the line. But, it still makes one feel weird.

Yeah you wanna crack someone in the jaw when lines are being pushed, but civility prevents most of us from doing this.

[colossus1]

After reading my posts........anybody arguing against it in this thread is gay........i guarantee it.

[Tock]

After reading my posts........anybody arguing against it in this thread is gay........i guarantee it.

Probably a communist sympathizer, too, I'll wager . . .
-Tock

[_Tiger_]

where do you live Colossus1? cause where I'm from, we dont rag on people just because theyre different than us...we dont rag on minorities because they were born that way...who cares if they were "BORN" gay or WHAT? it doesnt matter dude.. at all. if its a choice, then its a choice. What i dont understand is why there are those people that are so "Anti-gay". whats the fvckin point?!

[colossus1]

Heres my personal thought on gays.

1. Never liked them never will.

2. They find excuses to explain/place blame on their gayness ex. born that way, molested as a child, i cant explain it etc. Give me a break...you CHOSE to be gay.

3. I hate the fact that they(most of them) must let everyone know that they are gay ex. rainbow colors, gay ass clothes, stupid gay speech ect.

4. I dont like that there are gay members here that dont contribute jack to this site, besides arguing over gay rights, gay marriage, being born gay etc.....this isnt a gay debate site.

5. Did i mention i dont like gays?

[colossus1]

where do you live Colossus1? cause where I'm from, we dont rag on people just because theyre different than us...we dont rag on minorities because they were born that way...who cares if they were "BORN" gay or WHAT? it doesnt matter dude.. at all. if its a choice, then its a choice. What i dont understand is why there are those people that are so "Anti-gay". whats the fvckin point?!

Liberal........people like you are part of the reason there are so many homosexuals. Your acceptance to tell you the truth makes me quite ill.

[_Tiger_]

Well I understand about those gay guys that are shoving down your throat, but I just think there are fvcked up people in any group. I dunno man, maybe those kinds of gay guys just have identity problems ya know?
also, if you start a thread about this on here, your gonna experience flack for it, especially because many body builders are in fact gay!..

on a lighter note..did you guys know there was a bukkake emoticon?! HAHA my life just got so much more entertaining..hahaha

[WildCh1ld]

I think this thread should die already......

[abstrack]

Heres my personal thought on gays.

1. Never liked them never will.

2. They find excuses to explain/place blame on their gayness ex. born that way, molested as a child, i cant explain it etc. Give me a break...you CHOSE to be gay.

3. I hate the fact that they(most of them) must let everyone know that they are gay ex. rainbow colors, gay ass clothes, stupid gay speech ect.

4. I dont like that there are gay members here that dont contribute jack to this site, besides arguing over gay rights, gay marriage, being born gay etc.....this isnt a gay debate site.

5. Did i mention i dont like gays?

1. No one cares

2. I have 2 brothers and 2 sisters. One brother is gay and one of my sisters is gay and yes they were born that way. Brought up in the same household, had the same friends, went to the same school, yadda yadda yadda.. NONE of my brothers and sisters were ever molested of mistreated as a child or an adult by a fmaily member or a non-family member.

3. Both of them done wear "gay ass clothes" what ever that means? They dont have rainbow coalition stickers or attend gay pride festivals. They dont go around town prancing their "gayness" what ever that is?? Matter of fact my brother dresses very GQ fashionable like a high class person who has lots of money. Well his parted is president of a company that sells products to high end salons in CA so they are very well off in their million dollar home. My sister works for one of the biggest computer companys in the world and makes high end 6 figures and she dresses in very high class business attire, except when she is working out of her home office then it is jeans and a t-shirt.

4. Ever look at the merry go around circus in the political forum? Why not get pissed about the members in their that dont contribute shit, but complain about politics/religion/ and war?

5. Yup, Opinions are like ass holes..everybody has one and they all stink

[abstrack]

You know what I find offending. Fat people who wear skimpy clothing. I find that offensive and obtrusive. Why should I have to endure the pain in my eyes and memory of that?

Matter of fact smoking bother the shit out of me also. Smokers go around shedding their second hand smoke and throwing cigerette butts on the ground. Why should I have to endure that also? Why do I have to go into a nice clean building and smell some stinky asshole who just choked down and who marlbro and stink like crap?

I also hate diesel trucks and how they spew that thunderous clouds of black smoke when they take off. That stuff stinks like shit. When I am riding my Harley the crap blows right in my face when they take off. I hate all people who drive those trucks since they infringe upon me.

[colossus1]

1. No one cares

2. I have 2 brothers and 2 sisters. One brother is gay and one of my sisters is gay and yes they were born that way. Brought up in the same household, had the same friends, went to the same school, yadda yadda yadda.. NONE of my brothers and sisters were ever molested of mistreated as a child or an adult by a fmaily member or a non-family member.

3. Both of them done wear "gay ass clothes" what ever that means? They dont have rainbow coalition stickers or attend gay pride festivals. They dont go around town prancing their "gayness" what ever that is?? Matter of fact my brother dresses very GQ fashionable like a high class person who has lots of money. Well his parted is president of a company that sells products to high end salons in CA so they are very well off in their million dollar home. My sister works for one of the biggest computer companys in the world and makes high end 6 figures and she dresses in very high class business attire, except when she is working out of her home office then it is jeans and a t-shirt.

4. Ever look at the merry go around circus in the political forum? Why not get pissed about the members in their that dont contribute shit, but complain about politics/religion/ and war?

5. Yup, Opinions are like ass holes..everybody has one and they all stink

1. I really dont care that you dont care. I just speak my mind............so making a post saying you dont care what i think is quite pointless.

2. As far as your brother and sister..........did you ever hear a thing called media? T.V., ads, magazines, books, celebrities all who depict gayness? They have influence and are part of the environment.

3. As far as your third section. I guess you didnt read the small word "most" which meant not all. I wouldnt make such a blanket statement.......so..........that ends that.

4. And please point out to me where i grumbled about the politics/religion/war section. Because i didnt. I was specificly talking about members who dont post jack........and wait for a thread that has the word "gay" in it to post.

5. And if what you say is true, that opinions really dont matter............then this entire board would be pointless, which it isnt so......................

[Bigen12]

IMHO, a first offense merits no more than a "No thanks," or "Bug off," followed by an optional insult. Second offense deserves a kick in the nuts. Make the same mistake three times, and the idiot needs to be neutered.

JMHO . . .

-Tock

[Bigen12]

After reading my posts........anybody arguing against it in this thread is gay........i guarantee it.

With logic like that, how can anybody disagree?

[Bigen12]

2. As far as your brother and sister..........did you ever hear a thing called media? T.V., ads, magazines, books, celebrities all who depict gayness? They have influence and are part of the environment.

As I have asked you before and you have not answered, why is abstrack not gay, why am I not gay?

Wait, according to you...

After reading my posts........anybody arguing against it in this thread is gay........i guarantee it.

We are gay?

2. They find excuses to explain/place blame on their gayness ex. born that way, molested as a child, i cant explain it etc. Give me a break...you CHOSE to be gay.

Excuses? You act as if all gays are ashamed of being gay?
If that is the case, then why are they doing what you are complaining about in #3?

3. I hate the fact that they(most of them) must let everyone know that they are gay ex. rainbow colors, gay ass clothes, stupid gay speech ect.

Why do you flaunt your heterosexuality?

4. I dont like that there are gay members here that dont contribute jack to this site, besides arguing over gay rights, gay marriage, being born gay etc.....this isnt a gay debate site.

I don’t like that there are bigoted members on this site, who spout their hate and intolerance every time they get a chance.



big•ot
NOUN:
1. A hypocrite; esp., a superstitious hypocrite. [Obs.]

2. A person who regards his own faith and views in matters of
religion as unquestionably right, and any belief or
opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable
or wicked. In an extended sense, a person who is
intolerant of opinions which conflict with his own, as in
politics or morals; one obstinately and blindly devoted to
his own church, party, belief, or opinion.

[colossus1]

As I have asked you before and you have not answered, why is abstrack not gay, why am I not gay?

Wait, according to you...



We are gay?



Excuses? You act as if all gays are ashamed of being gay?
If that is the case, then why are they doing what you are complaining about in #3?



Why do you flaunt your heterosexuality?





I don’t like that there are bigoted members on this site, who spout their hate and intolerance every time they get a chance.



big•ot
NOUN:
1. A hypocrite; esp., a superstitious hypocrite. [Obs.]

2. A person who regards his own faith and views in matters of
religion as unquestionably right, and any belief or
opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable
or wicked. In an extended sense, a person who is
intolerant of opinions which conflict with his own, as in
politics or morals; one obstinately and blindly devoted to
his own church, party, belief, or opinion.

1. As far as you and abstract not being gay..............no individual is exposed to the exact same circumstances and environment as another individual.

2. Gays always find a way to "explain" their gayness...........other than just saying they chose to bang other men or other women.

2. Are you kidding me? If i didnt post in this thread, nobody would know my sexuality as i dont make it a public affair. If i walk down the street nobody would know if i was gay or not.

3. Call it hate, call it intolerance. I call it having morals and not being liberal. Sick sympathizers like you are the reason there are so many homosexuals.

[Bigen12]

2. Are you kidding me? If i didnt post in this thread, nobody would know my sexuality as i dont make it a public affair. If i walk down the street nobody would know if i was gay or not.

You might want to advertise, have t-shirts made, or put it into your signature, so that everyone will know.

3. I call it having morals and not being liberal.

If my being tolerant of other peoples right to the pursuit of happiness, as guaranteed by the constitution of the good ole US of A means that I am liberal, than so be it.

Sick sympathizers like you are the reason there are so many homosexuals.

I don’t agree with you, there for I am “Sick”?

[colossus1]

You might want to advertise, have t-shirts made, or put it into your signature, so that everyone will know.



If my being tolerant of other peoples right to the pursuit of happiness, as guaranteed by the constitution of the good ole US of A means that I am liberal, than so be it.



I don’t agree with you, there for I am “Sick”?

1. Uh....no
2. Im glad you enjoy being a sympathizing liberal.
3. Yes. Sick, as in you disgust me..........

[abstrack]

1. As far as you and abstract not being gay..............no individual is exposed to the exact same circumstances and environment as another individual.

2. Gays always find a way to "explain" their gayness...........other than just saying they chose to bang other men or other women.

2. Are you kidding me? If i didnt post in this thread, nobody would know my sexuality as i dont make it a public affair. If i walk down the street nobody would know if i was gay or not.

3. Call it hate, call it intolerance. I call it having morals and not being liberal. Sick sympathizers like you are the reason there are so many homosexuals.

It's ok if you are a closet gay. We dont judge here. No one is going to call you a fudge packer. Were liberals here!

[colossus1]

It's ok if you are a closet gay. We dont judge here. No one is going to call you a fudge packer. Were liberals here!

Wow....name calling, im impressed. I was actually expecting a comment like that..............not from you though.

[Bigen12]

1. Uh....no

I was just trying to help.

2. Im glad you enjoy being a sympathizing liberal.

Thanks.

3. Yes. Sick, as in you disgust me..........

That is a first.....

Yeah, like abstrack said, we won’t hold it against you, for liking to have a hard dick shoved down your throat ever once in a while……. If that is what you like, I think you should have two……
“Were liberals here!"

[colossus1]

Yeah, like abstrack said, we won’t hold it against you, for liking to have a hard dick shoved down your throat ever once in a while……. If that is what you like, I think you should have two……
“Were liberals here!"

I have posted studies and facts in this thread as well as my opinion. To be quite honest i lost a bunch of braincells reading your sad attempts at deffending homosexuality. And yes, your views are very liberal.......Calling me gay (which would make no sense) only makes you and others who follow(sheep) look like tools. And your above dipiction is quite mature if i do say so myself.