the ultimate VS thread

[squatdaddy]

best batman ever

[Kärnfysikern]

why would punisher drop his gun?
and if he did im sure he has about 12 other things strapped to him plus he kan go hand to hand deceantly and other neatstuff

well punisher is just a ex cop. But batman is a master of martial arts so in hand to hand he would treat the punisher like a catholic priest treats little boys.

Batman could counter punishers weapon advantage by sneaking up and throwing some smoke grenades or some other ninja stunt.

[taiboxa]

fine swap punisher for GhostRider and then lets see!

[Kärnfysikern]

dont know much about ghostrider

what about the most classic.

the hulk vs superman!!

[taiboxa]

dont know much about ghostrider

what about the most classic.

the hulk vs superman!!

superman is too fast.
speed blitz.. dont know if superman will fatigue or not. but the hulk would never be able to grasp him

[squatdaddy]

hulk vs thing might be more even IMO
superman is well... super

[taiboxa]

and which color hulk is it?!

[Kärnfysikern]

superman is too fast.
speed blitz.. dont know if superman will fatigue or not. but the hulk would never be able to grasp him

true that. That blue muther****er could always speed or fly away if things got dangerous.

But the hulk seems to be able to become as strong as he needs to when becomes angry. So if they are on a unbrekable room and have to fight maby it would be more even. Supers heatvision wont work on hulk and not freezebreath either. So it would be raw strenght against raw strenght.

[taiboxa]

hulk vs thing might be more even IMO
superman is well... super

hulk would crush the thing
i assure u the thing would hit the hulk a few times.. hulk get meaner stronger and break him in two

[Kärnfysikern]

and which color hulk is it?!

the green one. Not the smart hulk.

[taiboxa]

true that. That blue muther****er could always speed or fly away if things got dangerous.

But the hulk seems to be able to become as strong as he needs to when becomes angry. So if they are on a unbrekable room and have to fight maby it would be more even. Supers heatvision wont work on hulk and not freezebreath either. So it would be raw strenght against raw strenght.

well yeah of course but speed is also a huge factor.. like Martian Manhunter
faster than anything would break em all

[Kärnfysikern]

yeah the martian manhunter is a smart mofo aswell.

[taiboxa]

need to get carlos in here he a nerd too..

[novicenovicen]

Rambo still lit his own ass on fire. Cauterizing your self aint easy. I bout passes out sewing my self up.

[Giantz11]

Yeah I'm sorry Johan but to this point in the debate you have not proved much that Matrix would Own Rambo.

Rambo's enemies were FAR tougher opponents that anyone Matrix faced. And who was the fat ugly bad guy from Commando. Bennett? You see how soft that dude was? I mean come on. Marix yes is innovative, using garden tools etc... But let's get to the facts:

Here's what Col. Samuel Trautman had to say about Rambo:

"Vagrancy wasn't it? That's gonna look real good on his grave stone in Arlington: Here lies John Rambo, winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor, survivor of countless incursions behind enemy lines. Killed for vagrancy in Jerkwater, USA"

"I don't think you understand. I didn't come to rescue Rambo from you. I came here to rescue you from him"

"That boy's a heart attack! He may be the best the Special Forces ever produced. Whatever you're planning to throw at him here, he's been through a whole lot worse, in lot worse places than this. I'm just amazed he allowed any of your posse to live"

"You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In Vietnam his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well Rambo was the best."

Teasle: Are you telling me that 200 of our men against your boy is a no-win situation for us?
Trautman: You send that many, don't forget one thing.
Teasle: What?
Trautman: A good supply of body bags.


More facts:
1.Rambo defeated Veitnam while the US couldn't 10 years before.
2.Rambo single handedly toook down an entire town.
3.Rambo defeated the Russian Army when Russia was considered an equal Super Power to the US in the world.
4. Rambo survived countless excursions behind ememy lines.
5. Congressional Medal of Honor Winner. You know how rare that is right? Matrix did not win this award.

And the last point that I will make one last time is, who did Matrix kill?

Couple of doofy bad guys.
One piss poor Green Beret who was 50lbs overweight and way too old.
And some "Militants". I mean these guys weren't trained members of some Army. They fought for some rich dude. Can they compare to the:
US National Gaurd
Russian Army and Special Forces
Veitnamese Soldiers

The answer is, no, my friend they cannot. Consider this debate offically over.

[novicenovicen]

Sweet Go RAMBO

[taiboxa]

yeah well martian manhunter would obliterate rambo so there!

[Chookster]

in "First Blood" John Rambo took out the Sheriff Dept, bare hands. A motorcycle guy, with an elbow. A helicopter w/ a rock. A doberman with a knife. Washington State National Guard with one m-16 with 30 rds of ammo. and an entire town with a m-60 and 1/2 a belt of ammo. Rambo would kick the dog shit out of Matrix.

[Chookster]

he can eat things that would make a billy goat puke for cryin out loud, Matrix wolnt even eat leftovers.

[Giantz11]

in "First Blood" John Rambo took out the Sheriff Dept, bare hands. A motorcycle guy, with an elbow. A helicopter w/ a rock. A doberman with a knife. Washington State National Guard with one m-16 with 30 rds of ammo. and an entire town with a m-60 and 1/2 a belt of ammo. Rambo would kick the dog shit out of Matrix.

Great, great call. Taking down a Helicopter with a rock, owns using some damn garden tools.

Don't forget the friggin spike trap he created that went str8t through some officers groin.

[novicenovicen]

yeah

[Kärnfysikern]

Yeah I'm sorry Johan but to this point in the debate you have not proved much that Matrix would Own Rambo.

Rambo's enemies were FAR tougher opponents that anyone Matrix faced. And who was the fat ugly bad guy from Commando. Bennett? You see how soft that dude was? I mean come on. Marix yes is innovative, using garden tools etc... But let's get to the facts:

Here's what Col. Samuel Trautman had to say about Rambo:

"Vagrancy wasn't it? That's gonna look real good on his grave stone in Arlington: Here lies John Rambo, winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor, survivor of countless incursions behind enemy lines. Killed for vagrancy in Jerkwater, USA"

"I don't think you understand. I didn't come to rescue Rambo from you. I came here to rescue you from him"

"That boy's a heart attack! He may be the best the Special Forces ever produced. Whatever you're planning to throw at him here, he's been through a whole lot worse, in lot worse places than this. I'm just amazed he allowed any of your posse to live"

"You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In Vietnam his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well Rambo was the best."

Teasle: Are you telling me that 200 of our men against your boy is a no-win situation for us?
Trautman: You send that many, don't forget one thing.
Teasle: What?
Trautman: A good supply of body bags.


More facts:
1.Rambo defeated Veitnam while the US couldn't 10 years before.
2.Rambo single handedly toook down an entire town.
3.Rambo defeated the Russian Army when Russia was considered an equal Super Power to the US in the world.
4. Rambo survived countless excursions behind ememy lines.
5. Congressional Medal of Honor Winner. You know how rare that is right? Matrix did not win this award.

And the last point that I will make one last time is, who did Matrix kill?

Couple of doofy bad guys.
One piss poor Green Beret who was 50lbs overweight and way too old.
And some "Militants". I mean these guys weren't trained members of some Army. They fought for some rich dude. Can they compare to the:
US National Gaurd
Russian Army and Special Forces
Veitnamese Soldiers

The answer is, no, my friend they cannot. Consider this debate offically over.

while it somewhat true that we should judge a champion by the opponets he has faced we also has to look at the atributes of the champion himself.

Rambo a little italian midget vs Matrix a huge austrian with a thick accent
Rambo likes big knifes vs matrix likes to break necks
Rambo just screams and kills vs matrix throws a pipe through someone and is cold blooded enough to crack a joke at him while dying
Rambo is a green beret vs matrix eats green berets for breakfast
rambo runs and hides in the woods vs matrix finds you and **** you up
Rambo is good at hiding in the woods vs matrix can smell where he is hiding

Lets also think the things matrix can survive.
He can jump of a flying jet and the moment he touches ground he just starts running without flinching
he can break chains with his hands
he can rip a bolted carseat out of car without any big effort.
He can lift a occupied phonebooth and throw it through the air.
He can carry a whole tree on his shoulder.
he can take a bullet to the shoulder and still keep on fighting like nothing has happened.
He can be in a car crashing at 50mph and just get out.
He can with one arm(straight out aswell) hold someone over the edge of a cliff without even trembling.

While bennet might have looked like a slob he was one of the foremost elite in the american special forces, he was just to crasy so he got kicked out!! Let me emphasis that. To crasy to be in the most elite group of the army special ops! Still matrix beat him after beeing in 2 car crashers, beeing tranqulized, beeing shot, having broken the necks of dozens of people, destroyed a entire army, blown up a island, manhandled a green beret, tossed phonebooths and numerous other things without ever getting any sleep or rest.

Rambo had the good fortune to face better opponents. But there is no doubt that matrix is the superior killing machine.

Now lets say what those that know matrix has to say about him

Major Gen. Franklin Kirby: Keep on the airwaves and let me know if you hear anything unusual.
Soldier: I'll keep at it. What are you expecting?
Major Gen. Franklin Kirby: World War Three.

Bennett: I really love listening to your little pissant soldiers trying to talk tough. They make me laugh. If Matrix was here, he'd laugh too.
Arius: Mr. Bennett, my soldiers are patriots.
Bennett: Your soldiers are nothing. Matrix and I can kill every one of them
[click]
Bennett: in the blink of an eye. Remember that.
Arius: Are you trying to... frighten me?
Bennett: I don't have to try. When Matrix finishes the job, he'll be back for his daughter. Now whether she's alive or dead doesn't matter. Then he'll be after you. Now the only thing between Matrix and you, is me.
Arius: It is you that is afraid, Mr. Bennett. YOU are afraid of Matrix.
Bennett: Of course. I'm smart. But I have an edge; I have his daughter.

While that might not be much as compared to the praises to rambo we never realy get to her what matrix are capabel of.

[Kärnfysikern]

Great, great call. Taking down a Helicopter with a rock, owns using some damn garden tools.

Don't forget the friggin spike trap he created that went str8t through some officers groin.

matrix doesnt set traps. He brings the fight to the enemy, he doesnt wait for the enemy to find him

[Kärnfysikern]

you in the rambo fanclub is also missing a VERY important thing. The MACHO factor. How badass someone is depends on how macho they are and there is no doubt that Matrix is the bigger macho man.

[novicenovicen]

Rambo is more real. He does what a real person does....uses his enviroment. He also cauterized his own bullet wounds. Rambo is still the man.

[Kärnfysikern]

Rambo is more real. He does what a real person does....uses his enviroment. He also cauterized his own bullet wounds. Rambo is still the man.

yeah rambo is weak. He has to follow the laws of nature

[Bojangles69]

michael jackson vs. richard simmons

[novicenovicen]

Michal would give him a kicking!

[Bojangles69]

i think michael would fondle his peepee and simmons would start doing jumping jacks

[Bojangles69]

as for a fight, simmons would smack him and michael would start crying
than simmons would offer condolensce
and michael would fondle is peepee again

[63190]

fine swap punisher for GhostRider and then lets see!

Ghost Rider Dany Ketch or Jonny Blaze?
Either way, Ghost Rider is a demon possesing a human body. His strength is maxed out on the trading cards. He's pretty quick, but not super quick.
I haven't read GR for a while. When I was reading it, it was only for a few months. Never got to see if GR had any weaknesses.
GR, just keeps commin' at you.
Batman is a human, he gets worn down.
I say GR would beat Batman in an unlimited time round. If it was by points in two to three minute rounds, Batman.

[Chookster]

mini me vs. the leprechaun?

[BlueAndromeda73]

How about Maximus vs. William Wallace?

[Carlos_E]

Buy Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine. In the fight Hulk rips Wolverines body in half at the waist. Then Throws his legs on top of a mountain. Wolverine climbs up the mountain using his adamantium claws to get his lower half so he can heal. Cursing the Hulk the entire way.

[cfiler]

Ghost Rider vs Spawn?

[energizer bunny]

Rambo had 3 chances to impress, matrix had one, need to make two more movies to see his full potential. RAMBO til then.