Lyle McDonald better watch his words....

[SwoleCat]

From a former client in a pm. @ my board to me this evening. I tell you folks, it doesn't get any more juvenile and downright assinine than this. I guess I should be flattered that my work is getting such attention.

I do not have the ability to post on that board, I am not a member, nor do I have the time/desire/energy to sign up to go and "defend" myself. However, if any of you are on that board and see him suggesting that I am a drug dealer, I want to know as I take great offense to that accussation and he better watch his mouth. I have no affiliation w/the selling/distribution of ANYTHING illegal in any way/shape/form. I want to make that perfectly clear. My programs are made for natural trainees and they always have been. If/when one decides to use anything illegal, it is on their own free will, I have NOTHING to do w/it. Just as some choose to drink/smoke/etc., that is none of my concern. Mr. McDonald should really learn to choose his words better. He can get into a lot of trouble for that type of labeling in a public medium, and I'll pursue it if I have to.

I also find it funny how he doesn't have any of the convo where he claims I "avoided the questions" at *****.
Don't you have better things to do than to flat out hate and talk shit when you can't even back it up? Besides, the harsh reality is that what my clients choose to do w/their lives is none of your business in any way/shape/form in the first place, so it really need go no further than that. Just make sure to keep my name outta your mouth because I don't play games w/rumors and bullshit, and I won't stand for it.

That's not "marketing appeal" as you said, that's the truth and I won't have you spreading rumors of this caliber. To think, people actually listen to your advice and look up to you?

Pffft.....

~SC~

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Hey SC,
Just wanted to direct you to this thread at Lyle McDonald's forum:
http://www.bodyrecompositio n.com/...d.php?t=143 55

He has basically defamed you by inferring that you are drug dealer.
As a lawyer, I thought you should know this as it could harm your rep if people believe your programs are based on drugs &/or that you are a drug dealer.

Just in case you can't view the link, here is a cut/paste:
04-21-2006, 12:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafferty
It's widely rumored that he had a little chemical assistance with one of his 'transformations.'


Where did you hear this? Seriously? I've always been tremendously impressed by his "Mutation" series - it was a huge motivator during my early years. I'd been saddened to hear if these rumors hold water.


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He had mentioned in one of them working with a 'contest prep guru'

that usually means 'drug dealer'

Lyle


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#8 04-22-2006, 03:16 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lylemcd
He had mentioned in one of them working with a 'contest prep guru'

that usually means 'drug dealer'

Lyle


Yep. Swolecat. He was also a little bit evasive in asnwering direct questions on the matter. Not an issue to me, really, as he was keeping his market appeal intact. It was obvious, though, by the way he replied. No, I don't have any links. If I kept links to T-fag, it would be time to off myself.

[QuieTSToRM33]

haterade

[SwoleCat]

I just can't believe one would resort to basically calling me a drug dealer because I've helped change 100's of people and their lives.

None of what I endorse or do requires anything illegal in any way/shape/form, and I most certainly don't distribute illegal substances. That is what really pisses me off. It's the equivalent of me saying he sells cocaine or something assinine.

If I was a drug dealer I for damn sure would not be spending money on advertising and two new websites with my face plastered everywhere in magazines and shit. Get real......

~SC~

[oldman]

SC you bring out the best in people and in this case the best of this guy is far worse than a pile of crap.

To this day I do not understand why anyone would try to make issues like this. Crazy stuff Swole!!!


~Old

[SwoleCat]

I don't care what he thinks of me, my only words to him are to watch your f*cking mouth and your false accussations.

If not, it's going to bite you square in your ass.

Period.

~SC~

[QuieTSToRM33]

If I was a drug dealer I for damn sure would not be spending money on advertising and two new websites with my face plastered everywhere in magazines and shit. Get real......

~SC~

EXACTLY ....... this guy's a douche

[oldman]

wait wait.. this guy (below) is talking smack to you??


I agree he needs to keep his mouth shut and should not be saying things that are untrue or even say anything without proof. People think they can say what they want on the Internet but when you do this and you are stating things as "fact" with no proof that is Libel and you can be sued.


Geez


~Old

[SwoleCat]

I won't even bag on the picture, as easy as it would be to do.

Libel is something I don't even mess around with, end of story.

If he thinks it's okay to do, he has a harsh reality approaching him.

Lyle McLibel

~SC~

[AnabolicAndre]

Ignorance is bliss.

Thats some effed shit though. That type of defamation, especially now a days, people WILL take seriously. Honestly if I were you I'd do something about it.

[guest589745]

Im lookin at the thread right now. I wanna say somethin but, I guess its better if I dont. I mean, I aint tryin to ass-kiss but, thats ****e up to say that especially publically.

[oldman]

never mind I decided not to post my picture I made of him.. Haters make me sick.


Dam I am too nice.


Now if someone wants to see my version of this dude I will post


~Old

[AnabolicAndre]

hahahah oldman

[Rob]

I think you should sign up at that board and clear your name.

If not, who knows how deep it will go?

Time to damage control.

[SnaX]

The guy is a weeniecake! And everyone will know this now, because i posted a thread that said "Lycle McDonald is a weeniecake"

[GQ-Bouncer]

just another jealous hater, no worries

[NotSmall]

Smoke that mutha like it aint no thing.

[Kale]

wait wait.. this guy (below) is talking smack to you??


I agree he needs to keep his mouth shut and should not be saying things that are untrue or even say anything without proof. People think they can say what they want on the Internet but when you do this and you are stating things as "fact" with no proof that is Libel and you can be sued.


Geez


~Old

How does a weedy little sperm recepticle like that get any respect on a Body Building board ?

[biglouie250]

the proof is in the pudding. all the people you helped change will come to your aid if need be.

[sonar1234]

Dont worry about lame ass like that, i was very impressed by the ketogenic diet and eard lots about this guy til i saw is pic, then i started laughing out loud.

[tretch187]

I wouldnt worry too much about it Swole. I think that comment was not really referrencing you, it was more the term used. "Contest prep guru"

I am a regular on his boards and there has been a few threads that have glanced on topics involving you before and he has never said anything negative.

There are a few supporters of yours there (Me included). No worries bro, as I said... pretty sure he is attacking the term, not you.

[tretch187]

Dont worry about lame ass like that, i was very impressed by the ketogenic diet and eard lots about this guy til i saw is pic, then i started laughing out loud.

Prolly shouldn't say anything but...

How exactly does that have ANYTHING to do with knowledge and ability to train others?

Do you only follow advice from people that are gigantic? Thats a pretty moronic path.

[biglouie250]

Prolly shouldn't say anything but...

How exactly does that have ANYTHING to do with knowledge and ability to train others?

Do you only follow advice from people that are gigantic? Thats a pretty moronic path.

when i go to a lawyer, accountant or doctor i want to see the appropriate track record in they have. the diplomas on the wall are nice but results mean more to me, so yes id never take fitness or nutritional advice from someone that to me looked unhealthy or unimpressive physically.

[SwoleCat]

I wouldnt worry too much about it Swole. I think that comment was not really referrencing you, it was more the term used. "Contest prep guru"

I am a regular on his boards and there has been a few threads that have glanced on topics involving you before and he has never said anything negative.

There are a few supporters of yours there (Me included). No worries bro, as I said... pretty sure he is attacking the term, not you.

Thanks, because due to travel, myspace development, etc., I have no time to chase around little dickheads like this.

If it continues however, he'll be sued. My CPA and lawyer already have the references and folder started, waiting to say "go".

Period.

~SC~

[tretch187]

when i go to a lawyer, accountant or doctor i want to see the appropriate track record in they have. the diplomas on the wall are nice but results mean more to me, so yes id never take fitness or nutritional advice from someone that to me looked unhealthy or unimpressive physically.

Wow.

That is all I can say...

[Kale]

when i go to a lawyer, accountant or doctor i want to see the appropriate track record in they have. the diplomas on the wall are nice but results mean more to me, so yes id never take fitness or nutritional advice from someone that to me looked unhealthy or unimpressive physically.

I totally agree !!!!!

[SwoleCat]

so yes id never take fitness or nutritional advice from someone that to me looked unhealthy or unimpressive physically.

What's funny is that this is how most people choose trainers and help!
They go by what they look like physically. Makes sense to me, as it's natural human nature.

You don't just preach it, you DO IT. If you've got the total package, intelligence AND the looks, you're WAY ahead of the game.

~SC~

[biglouie250]

Wow.

That is all I can say...

do you not agree that if your a PT or a nutrionalist your own body is a selling point to potential clients? i understand that not all big guys know what they are talking about and that not all out of shape, or skinny guys know nothing....but wouldnt you want someone who possessed the knowledge and has the proof to back it up?

[tretch187]

Sorry Swole... but now that I found the thread... what are you talking about?

The person who sent you that cut paste is a moron. Plain and simple.

Lyle's response is to this question:

"Lyle, what do you think about the "optimized volume training" program in Christian Thibaudeau's book "Black book of training secrets"?

The program can also be found at ********;
http://www.*************/readTopic.do?id=459276"

To which he replies...:

"the split is stupid for a natural and it's just GVT prettied up

Lyle"

and then:

"why don't we have an eyes rolling smiley

whatever

it's tension + metabolic work

just go fcking train

Lyle"

and then:

"He had mentioned in one of them working with a 'contest prep guru'

that usually means 'drug dealer'

Lyle"


Then, SOMEONE ELSE named Alkanphel SAYS:

"Alkanphel
Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Unfortunately, Missouri. Complete shithole.
Posts: 178

Quote:
Originally Posted by lylemcd
He had mentioned in one of them working with a 'contest prep guru'

that usually means 'drug dealer'

Lyle "

Alkanphel says:
Yep. Swolecat. He was also a little bit evasive in asnwering direct questions on the matter. Not an issue to me, really, as he was keeping his market appeal intact. It was obvious, though, by the way he replied. No, I don't have any links. If I kept links to T-fag, it would be time to off myself. "

[SwoleCat]

He said Christian worked with a contest prep guru. (Me)

Lyle then said that usually means "drug dealer", insinuating that I am a drug dealer.

I don't play that shit.

~SC~

[BajanBastard]

Mr.McDonald





SwoleCat.


I have nothing more to say.

[tretch187]

He said Christian worked with a contest prep guru. (Me)

Lyle then said that usually means "drug dealer", insinuating that I am a drug dealer.

I don't play that shit.

~SC~

Yah but... he insinuated that SOME "contest prep guru" was probably a drug dealer. Some guy later said your name AFTER that. So his comment could in no way be directed as towards you.

[biglouie250]

Yah but... he insinuated that SOME "contest prep guru" was probably a drug dealer. Some guy later said your name AFTER that. So his comment could in no way be directed as towards you.

its poor business ethics and shitty manners to accuse anyone of being a drug dealer. the fact remains that he called someone her never met before, no personal knowledge of a drug dealer.......effing weasel.

[tretch187]

Mr.McDonald





SwoleCat.


I have nothing more to say.

Why don't you post up some pics of the people Lyle has trained?


Look Swole, I have a ton of respect for you... always have, but I think you are pulling at something that is not there on this one. I think may be that the initial possibility got you hyped, and thats understandable, I just don't see anything.

[tretch187]

its poor business ethics and shitty manners to accuse anyone of being a drug dealer. the fact remains that he called someone her never met before, no personal knowledge of a drug dealer.......effing weasel.

So are you saying that many pro BBers don't have a person they specifically go to for cycle knowledge before a show for setup, etc?

[SwoleCat]

Not sure what order the responses were in, but remember I am not on that board and this was only passed on to me.

My name was brought into a convo where it need not be, as I have nothing to do w/providing advice about drugs let alone supplying them.

I'll have someone else on my team handle this, I've too much to do this week to worry about this b.s.

Thanks,
~SC~

[biglouie250]

he called you a moron SC in a thread about L-carnatine:

with every comment you guys make, I realize just how much of a moron swolecat is

we've known that carnitine did jack crap going on 10 years now

Lyle

[Polska]

I think may be that the initial possibility got you hyped, and thats understandable, I just don't see anything.

I don't see how you don't see it. it's obvious what's being implied.

This Mr.McDonald fellow looks like he hasn't touched a weight in his life!

[Gobus]

I don't see how you don't see it. it's obvious what's being implied.

This Mr.McDonald fellow looks like he hasn't touched a weight in his life!

He used to do powerlifting, some bodybuilding, but now does speed skating. He has touched weights before, and knows his shit. Yeah, he's an asshole at times, but he's an expert at weight training. I think everyone here is just taking shit too seriously about an off-hand remark on another board. Besides, I don't think you could sue him SwoleCat since slander is based on the fact that the person saying it says it with malice and knows that what he is saying isn't true. Given the fact that you're a member of steroid boards and give steroid advice to members, I don't see your case. You may have or may have not given roids to CT, but can't you see why other people would say you have? (noting that Lyle didn't say your name but was rather referring to the term "contest prep guru")

[tretch187]

I don't see how you don't see it. it's obvious what's being implied.

This Mr.McDonald fellow looks like he hasn't touched a weight in his life!

Look at my post of the conversation. The other guy made a negative comment about SwoleCat, I give you that and thats not cool.

Lyle's comment has to be taken as extremely out of context to apply as Swole's name isn't mentioned before that point.

[biglouie250]

He used to do powerlifting, some bodybuilding, but now does speed skating. He has touched weights before, and knows his shit. Yeah, he's an asshole at times, but he's an expert at weight training. I think everyone here is just taking shit too seriously about an off-hand remark on another board. Besides, I don't think you could sue him SwoleCat since slander is based on the fact that the person saying it says it with malice and knows that what he is saying isn't true. Given the fact that you're a member of steroid boards and give steroid advice to members, I don't see your case. You may have or may have not given roids to CT, but can't you see why other people would say you have? (noting that Lyle didn't say your name but was rather referring to the term "contest prep guru")

slander is spoken, libel is print which is what his bulletin board is so a lawsuit is plausible if this becomes habitual. the only real advice ive seen SC give on gear is basically limited to why a person shouldnt do it. ive never seen SC lay out a cycle for someone ever.