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[Carlos_E]

you did attack me by lying to whole the thread and making it appear like what i said was worse than carlos.

how the hell would you react if someone said you were going to grow up a lonely only man??
"o gee thanks for your advice?" i dont think so.

i told him exactly what he needed to hear. there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHY HE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT MY FUTURE OR WHY YOU SHOULD BE WORRYING ABOUT HOW YOU **THINK** I RESPONDED TO HIM.

i am talking to YOU in a civil manner.
it becomes uncivil the minute people start flaming.
everything i have said is exactly the way it is. stop twisting shit.

I said if you continue playing games, you will be a very lonely old man. I apologize if you took it as an attack. I call myself giving you a warning.

I am older than you. I have seen it first hand. Guys in their 40s still playing the same games and wondering why their relationships don't last longer than a couple weeks or month.

I have female friends in their 30s. In the past I have emailed them a few of your advice posts just to get a woman's point of view. They said they would not give you the time of day. Then asked me if you were in your teens.

[Bojangles69]

I'm picky and it's by choice. Reason...

Because of my body I attract horny boys. Ages 19-40. As I said, I'm an adult. I don't have time for bullshit game playing or for guys who just want a dick up their ass. I can spot them a mile away.

I go for QUALITY. Not quantify.

The problem here is you dont know where i come from. I NEVER had the choice to have a relationship or sex with women in past.
I went out and learned what i know with little help from other people.
It what works for me NOW.
And about the "you can spot them from a mile away"
the ones who really know how to play you cant.
there something called exhibited vulernability. where i play stupid with the girls and fly under the radar. or when i throw them a compliment targeted at her insecurity. (that breaks right through the shield you talk about) the only ones who eject do so because they have a bf right next to them or thier cat just climbed an electric pole and fried. i dont consider myself a player or a pua. im just someone who knows better than he use to, who pleases women like they really want, and that what matters to me.

[Bojangles69]

I said if you continue playing games, you will be a very lonely old man. I apologize if you took it as an attack. I call myself giving you a warning.

I am older than you. I have seen it first hand. Guys in their 40s still playing the same games and wondering why their relationships don't last longer than a couple weeks or month.

I have female friends in their 30s. In the past I have emailed them a few of your advice posts just to get a woman's point of view. They said they would not give you the time of day. Then asked me if you were in your teens.

im going crabbing now, ill respond when i get back, but thanks if you were TRULEY concerned.. which i cant help but doubt. but i have to respond to the womens point of view thing when i get back.

[Carlos_E]

What I am getting at, as you get older and if you decide to have a serious relationship. This shit will not fly! I'm telling you now.

[collar]

yeah i do agree with that.

sweet talking and "playing" them which it is.
wont work when you are looking for a future with a lady.
since she will find out who you really are anyway.

[Carlos_E]

It's hard out there for a playa!

[STYLE74]

I would have to agree with Collar & Carlos on this one. Just be yourself dude and if things workout then they workout, if not you move on. Maybe she was just testing you by saying that to you because she wanted to see your reaction and what you would say. Women test us to see how we react to things and what we say, that's why sometimes when a women says something to you and your answer is what they wanted to hear they say GOOD ANSWER, if they don't like your answer they just nod their head and inside say dumb answer. Just be yourself and if you want to call her then do, if she plays games she's not worth the time then.

[Evil Predator]

I'm picky and it's by choice. Reason...

Because of my body I attract horny boys. Ages 19-40. As I said, I'm an adult. I don't have time for bullshit game playing or for guys who just want a dick up their ass. I can spot them a mile away.

I go for QUALITY. Not quantity.

+1 (except I like the ladies)

Im 25, and I grew out of whoring around a long time ago. I have a girlfriend whom I get along great with. I'd much prefer to wake up to her smile anyday than waking up to random girls. I dont need to play games to go out and get laid anyway, and if you do Bojangles, your pretty sad.

Im alot happier now with a steady girlfriend than I was back in the day, playing university hockey and sleeping with different women every night. Random sex with random girls doesnt interest me anymore. Like I said, i'd rather hang out with my girlfriend and play catch with her son than go ou out to a bar to meet short skirted sluts..

I think what carlos is trying to say is the games you play wont attract the kind of women you may want a serious relationship with..

Maybe you dont want a relationship right now, but as time goes on, old habits are hard to break.
Enojoy tho. How old are you bojangles?

[Bojangles69]

+1 (except I like the ladies)
Im 25, and I grew out of whoring around a long time ago.

"whoring" what you call whoring i call having a *normal* sexual appetite.

I have a girlfriend whom I get along great with. I'd much prefer to wake up to her smile anyday than waking up to random girls. I dont need to play games to go out and get laid anyway, and if you do Bojangles, your pretty sad.

I met this really smart and attractive woman on the bus the other day, had a phd in psychology and very socially savy type chick. I started telling her about my views on life and relationships in general. And she said it sounds like you like to play games with women.
And this is where things get fvcked up.
ALL of life is a game. But it is not the game your thinking of, its not something you can turn on or off. This is a game called *life* you have to play by the rules. You cant just say im not gonna play the game, im not gonna play by the rules. Its as ludacris as going into a job interview and saying "im not Mr. 'so and so' My friends call me robby baby. You have 28,000 days to play it. And only 1/3 of that amount of time you'll actually be able to "play" properly. So learn the rules first. And dont waste time settling into anything in life less than optimal. I have no need to see the same face everyday. Its just a face bro, sure i have feelings for them, maybe i even LOVE them, that still doesnt mean i have to wake up next to them everyday.

Im alot happier now with a steady girlfriend than I was back in the day, playing university hockey and sleeping with different women every night. Random sex with random girls doesnt interest me anymore.

Problem is your not happy with yourself. Only difference between now and the past is a steady gf. So you cant feel complete without one, you need one to feel "whole". Random sex didnt fulfull you because YOU probaly couldnt fulfill yourself. Than a girl comes along, makes you feel desired, makes you feel like the man the hockey playing boy couldnt feel like, and traps you into a relationship.

Like I said, i'd rather hang out with my girlfriend and play catch with her son than go ou out to a bar to meet short skirted sluts..

bar+skirt=generalization
no womans environment nor does her *skirt* (unless see through) say anything about her being a slut or nonslut. It is sad if thats what you believe and if you even think thats an accurate stereotype.

I think what carlos is trying to say is the games you play wont attract the kind of women you may want a serious relationship with..

*game* is nothing but a label.
when you told your old buddy how to finger a girl the right way, were you teaching him how to game women?? NO. You were showing him how to PLEASE them. If all of my motivation is in the ultimate desire to please a women, the word *game* doesnt mean shit. The word *game* is just how those who dont understand what i do, or how i please women, explain it to themselves. And trust me, i can attract women i like, just the more women im with the higher my standards go. Which is why guys who've only been with a total of 5,6,7 women probaly have little to no real standards at all. Because they have no real reference point to base them on. All they have is an illusion they live in.

Maybe you dont want a relationship right now, but as time goes on, old habits are hard to break.
Enojoy tho. How old are you bojangles?

Age is irrelevant. whether someone wants sex/relationship has NOTHING to do with age. EVERY woman of EVERY status of EVERY AGE (above puberty) goes through phases. Your gf was once more promiscous than she is now and may very well be again in the future. Most women i know ALWAYS recoil in between the relationship vs no strings attached mindless sex phase.
Its not dictated by age, its dictated by personal experience, personal choice, and personal aspirations. Like if i aspire to get my career goals in order i may go through more of a sex phase than a relationship phase.
But i am 24, and its perfectly ok to be in a relationship, but to settle down anywhere before 30 is ignorant and naive imo and likely to result in divorce compared to someone who spent thier time experiencing life and different people and learning what they really want and who they could ultimately spend the rest of thier life with in matrimony.

~Bo

[Mike_Huck]

Age is irrelevant. whether someone wants sex/relationship has NOTHING to do with age. EVERY woman of EVERY status of EVERY AGE (above puberty) goes through phases. Your gf was once more promiscous than she is now and may very well be again in the future. Most women i know ALWAYS recoil in between the relationship vs no strings attached mindless sex phase.
Its not dictated by age, its dictated by personal experience, personal choice, and personal aspirations. Like if i aspire to get my career goals in order i may go through more of a sex phase than a relationship phase.
But i am 24, and its perfectly ok to be in a relationship, but to settle down anywhere before 30 is ignorant and naive imo and likely to result in divorce compared to someone who spent thier time experiencing life and different people and learning what they really want and who they could ultimately spend the rest of thier life with in matrimony.

~Bo[/QUOTE]

I agree with you on this one.

[Evil Predator]

Your pre-convceived notions about me are completely wrong my friend. Ive been there, done that. Being happier having a girlfriend has nothing to do with me being unhappy with myself. Thats as far off as you could possibly be.

I did the bar thing, i spent 6 years in university (No, it didnt take two extra years, I got my masters :lol ), i played games, I had a good time. But as I get older I find that need to party is gone. I dont like bars, i dont drink at all, im a quiet guy and I really have no desire to be out with party girls.



Im very happy with myself. Im also very happy with my girlfriend. I put up big numbers when when i was 21-22-23... and I thought just like you at that age. I still look, im definately a window shopper, but not one of them turns me on more than my girl. Theres more to her than a pretty face and a gorgeous body (and she has both of those too).

Eventually you start to want more. The wierd thing is, its going to slap you in the face when you least expect it. It did with me, twice in my life (I ended the first one for many reasons, but she was an amazing woman), both at times when I wasnt really looking for it.

You'll see man, you'll change so much over the next couple of years, you wont believe it when you look back..

[Bojangles69]

Your pre-convceived notions about me are completely wrong my friend. Ive been there, done that. Being happier having a girlfriend has nothing to do with me being unhappy with myself. Thats as far off as you could possibly be.

I did the bar thing, i spent 6 years in university (No, it didnt take two extra years, I got my masters :lol ), i played games, I had a good time. But as I get older I find that need to party is gone. I dont like bars, i dont drink at all, im a quiet guy and I really have no desire to be out with party girls.



Im very happy with myself. Im also very happy with my girlfriend. I put up big numbers when when i was 21-22-23... and I thought just like you at that age. I still look, im definately a window shopper, but not one of them turns me on more than my girl. Theres more to her than a pretty face and a gorgeous body (and she has both of those too).

Eventually you start to want more. The wierd thing is, its going to slap you in the face when you least expect it. It did with me, twice in my life (I ended the first one for many reasons, but she was an amazing woman), both at times when I wasnt really looking for it.

You'll see man, you'll change so much over the next couple of years, you wont believe it when you look back..

hey ill be reasonable here. you COULD be right. because as i said people go through phases this is probaly just one of my own. if anythings different from me though i have this white hot desire to truley understand women in a different way than 99% of men. because to me it truley seems that the majority of what guys think or presume about women is wrong.
for instance if my friends ever calls a girl a slut i will ALWAYS defend her whether she sees it or not. because if theres one thing ive learned in life its the concept *PEOPLE ARE NOT THIER BEHAVOIR*
because a lot of times what i see i call 'lazy thinking' just seems like people drift with the current of main stream social perceptions towards sexual dynamics so much that almost everyone fails to swim to the bottom and see the foundation or the truth for what it is. (if that makes any sense)
just some of what i see genders saying about each other disgusts me. thier really is a thorough lack of understanding and communication between them. and my main goal in life is to shrink that gap.
but hey time will reveal all truth is my motto.

[Evil Predator]

Dont get me wrong man, im not saying dont do what your doing, im just saying your mentality will change, i know, because I was you. I was a high school hockey star, went on to play university, i lived that life and loved every second of it.

But now, im alot more mellow. I still love sex, still get it multiople times a day when time allows, but I really enjoy the company of my girlfriend, she's a great friend on top of everything else.

Enjoy yourself, but dont ruin it with games when you do meet someone you care about..

[Bojangles69]

Dont get me wrong man, im not saying dont do what your doing, im just saying your mentality will change, i know, because I was you. I was a high school hockey star, went on to play university, i lived that life and loved every second of it.

But now, im alot more mellow. I still love sex, still get it multiople times a day when time allows, but I really enjoy the company of my girlfriend, she's a great friend on top of everything else.

Enjoy yourself, but dont ruin it with games when you do meet someone you care about..

good advice bro!!
i know i came off kinda hard on you but seem like a real reasonable person.
i will keep that in my mind thanks.

[Polska]

I agree with bojangles.

Life's a game. what he is describing is human psychology, and even though the game may be more or less subtle, it still exists in every single female human out there.

It's not about tricking a woman and playing with her head; it's about learning how women think and communicate their feelings to you. and how you in turn communicate your feelings to them.

It's a natural thing that 90% of guys would not microanalyze. Like someone in this thead said something along the lines of: "Be natural and things will either work out or they wont.". That is true, but would it not be nice to have a further insight into human psychology, and to be able to figure out exactly WHY things did or did not work out?

it's not really playing with somebody's head. it's about understanding the science of human pair bonding and social interaction. I find that science fascinating