Are we genetically designed to cheat?

[ginkobulloba]

When I started this poll, my intent was not to focus so much on the act of cheating. The real question is "are we designed to be monogamous creatures?" It's a lot easier to just say "cheaters" over the monogomy thing. A lot of people don't know the term, especially if English is not their first language.

I agree that if you are in a commited relationship, cheating is definitely not the right thing to do. That said, I think we are going against nature by being involved in monogomous relationships that last for over a year. That's not to say that it is impossible to have a good, rewarding, lasting relationship, but I think that the evidence shows that it is going to be very hard to resist our biological urges to procreate with multiple partners.

[beuleux]

Yes I think humans are designed to cheat or rather move on every few years, Im speaking from my own experiences and those of people I know, its all around, of course I have not conducted any scientific research of my own on the subject but I have seen some rather interesting documentaries by Dr Robert Winston, for the benefit of non UK members Robert Winston is a scientist who studies human behaiviour, his findings suggest that males move on and start again once the offspring have a good foothold, around the age of five.

You just have to look around you for the evidence, of all the people you know haw many are in a long term monogamous relationship and how many have had many relationships and/or children with different partners. Nowdays it seems to be the norm. With the recent breakdown of religion in modern societies people are becoming less and less restrained by religious values and are more increasingly driven by thier natural instincts.

Im not knocking religion or monogamy, if you look at trends over the last 2-3 centuries you can how traditional family groups are changing, it would be intersting to know where we will be in 2-3 centuries time

[peteroy01]

outlord, star wars bro. the dark side. not a satanist. just a christian that believes in evolution

[Schmidty]

I think we are animals.and being a animal we are not suppose to be in a realtionship we are supose to breed and fight.

[Mizfit]

Our attraction to others is what makes us human.

Our ability not to act on all attractions is what makes us truly thinking individuals.

[beuleux]

I think we are animals.and being a animal we are not suppose to be in a realtionship we are supose to breed and fight.

Fight off bears and suchlike maybe... I think the male physique is built to hunt and carry, our intelligence suggests we co-operated with eachother in order to hunt bigger quarry, we probably did fight with eachother over resources and the like but I would still say our overall physique is for hunting, we have no evolutionary weapons like horned animals do. Knuckles are part the joint formation of our hands and just so happens to be usefull for fighting but I would much rather use a spear against a bear.

[Mizfit]

Even some beings that one deems as animals are monogomous.. therefore that it is inately in us to cheat can not hold true

[ginkobulloba]

Even some beings that one deems as animals are monogomous.. therefore that it is inately in us to cheat can not hold true

I think you'd agree that in the animal kingdom, the vast majority of species are not monogamous. So, to base the judgement that we are not programmed to be slutty creatures on that notion is not entirely valid.

[Mizfit]

I think you'd agree that in the animal kingdom, the vast majority of species are not monogamous. So, to base the judgement that we are not programmed to be slutty creatures on that notion is not entirely valid.

We have brains that allow us to decide what to do..

I said it in a thread somewhere - temptation is there, but the piece that makes us intelecutal beings is the fact we can decide not to act on impulses.

I don't think we are geneticall designed to cheat. Most of us have one set of sexual organs - meanign technically speaking, one parter at a time..

[Mizfit]

i'm not perfect - but i know anything i have ever done in my life - good or bad. Has been based on some sort of thought process, not my genetical make up.

A person who blames there behaviour on things such as this is just looking for an excuse and rationalizing their behaviour - Bullshitting till they beleive it.

[ginkobulloba]

I'm saying that these impulses we feel are our genetic code, our instinct to procreate and advance our species, are more powerful forces than our thought process that says this is right and this is wrong. I agree that as advanced species we have the ability to decide to act or not act on these impulses. What I'm not saying is that this is an excuse for bad behavior, but this theory offers some insight into why we act the way we do.

Goddamn now my brain hurts and I'm horny. Booty call time!

[Mizfit]

I'm saying that these impulses we feel are our genetic code, our instinct to procreate and advance our species, are more powerful forces than our thought process that says this is right and this is wrong. I agree that as advanced species we have the ability to decide to act or not act on these impulses. What I'm not saying is that this is an excuse for bad behavior, but this theory offers some insight into why we act the way we do.

Goddamn now my brain hurts and I'm horny. Booty call time!

There r many people who have no plans to procreate.

Sex is just a fun thing

[Bojangles69]

There r many people who have no plans to procreate.

Sex is just a fun thing

Why is sex fun?

Because it feels good?

Why does sex feel good?

Because if it didnt we'd all be dead right now. That reward system was developed purely for replication. Its like delayed ejaculation. We LEARN how to delay it. Just like sex, we have to learn how to enjoy it with out creating offspring (ie: condoms)

So if this is something we LEARN
I believe (and i speak purely for myself) the basis or biological foundation for sex is S & R (survival and replication)

People may not have "plans to procreate"
but we're talking about subsystems of behavoir that are governed unconsiously. Again, we're in a way manipulating our biologies (having sex without producing offspring) after the development of a frontal cortex to reep these benefits psychologically.

Like porn. THe #1 way to manipulate and water down your NATURAL sex drive.


I'm not really arguing anyone when they say people say are not animals. But guess what? We were once animals. You think we were born with a developed frontal cortex so we could communicate and delay orgasm? Never. We went through millions of years of biological adaptation and conditioning that its only till recently (last 2 thousand years or so) that we've really learned how to use our minds like this.

So when you throw everything on a scale:


million year biological subsystems of conditioning

&

a few thousand years of intellectual thought which is what we now use to "seperate" us from other animals.

i always see biology being the major influencer here. Sure thought plays a major role. But we all have 2 million year old hominid selves in us that will continue to provoke us to "cheat" ( or w/e out frontal cortex considers it) and that will continue to have us believing we can control our sex drives anymore than we can control our flow of blood.

if you look at past distinctions of human from apes you'll notice we changed the criteria 3 TIMES, each in an evolutionary respect. And every time we set new criteria to seperate us from apes, we actually find that space of seperation closing in more and more. But before people start thinking Im really an ape, I need to get my hairy ass to the gym.

[Mizfit]

Why is sex fun?

Because it feels good?

Why does sex feel good?

Because if it didnt we'd all be dead right now. That reward system was developed purely for replication. Its like delayed ejaculation. We LEARN how to delay it. Just like sex, we have to learn how to enjoy it with out creating offspring (ie: condoms)

So if this is something we LEARN
I believe (and i speak purely for myself) the basis or biological foundation for sex is S & R (survival and replication)

People may not have "plans to procreate"
but we're talking about subsystems of behavoir that are governed unconsiously. Again, we're in a way manipulating our biologies (having sex without producing offspring) after the development of a frontal cortex to reep these benefits psychologically.

Like porn. THe #1 way to manipulate and water down your NATURAL sex drive.


I'm not really arguing anyone when they say people say are not animals. But guess what? We were once animals. You think we were born with a developed frontal cortex so we could communicate and delay orgasm? Never. We went through millions of years of biological adaptation and conditioning that its only till recently (last 2 thousand years or so) that we've really learned how to use our minds like this.

So when you throw everything on a scale:


million year biological subsystems of conditioning

&

a few thousand years of intellectual thought which is what we now use to "seperate" us from other animals.

i always see biology being the major influencer here. Sure thought plays a major role. But we all have 2 million year old hominid selves in us that will continue to provoke us to "cheat" ( or w/e out frontal cortex considers it) and that will continue to have us believing we can control our sex drives anymore than we can control our flow of blood.

if you look at past distinctions of human from apes you'll notice we changed the criteria 3 TIMES, each in an evolutionary respect. And every time we set new criteria to seperate us from apes, we actually find that space of seperation closing in more and more. But before people start thinking Im really an ape, I need to get my hairy ass to the gym.

evalution has caused significant changes..

[Schmidty]

Fight off bears and suchlike maybe... I think the male physique is built to hunt and carry, our intelligence suggests we co-operated with eachother in order to hunt bigger quarry, we probably did fight with eachother over resources and the like but I would still say our overall physique is for hunting, we have no evolutionary weapons like horned animals do. Knuckles are part the joint formation of our hands and just so happens to be usefull for fighting but I would much rather use a spear against a bear.

I would bear knuckle box a bear

[beuleux]

I would bear knuckle box a bear

OK you distract him I'll spike him

[Mike Dura]

Yes we are designed to cheat. That's well known by Darwinians.

[MuscleScience]

its not in the interest of a male organism to breed with only one female if he wishes to spread his genes on to the next generation. However it is in the interest of females to have one or a select few number of partners with superior genetic qualities to pass to there offspring.

[Hunter]

Now this is just my opinion, but we have higher level thought, something animals do not. I think most men just like having an excuse for cheating. Cheating is, childish, selfish and cowardly.

[Johny-too-small]

dude men are built for fighting each other for breading rights. We have deeper eyes(eye brow is farther out), thicker jaws, more bone mass in our forehead and backhead, and over all more bone mass. and dont forget about strength. this is because when 2 dudes fought for a chick the stronger would win thus spreading the DNA of the stronger male. hell watch the discovery channel for about a minute and ull see bulls, male lions. etc. etc. fighting each other so they can hump whatever. back in the day we had a pack of women that were ours and we would fight other dudes for these chicks. So yes we are made for being whores. look at our physical nature.

I couldnt disagree more. The smarter individual will win more times than the stronger. This has happened over and over again. Pull out your fists and I'll pull out a gun.

[Anabolic CEO]

Does this have to do with the "Alpha Dog" movie coming out with JT in it?????


ROFL

[Logan13]

The Darwinians say that men are programed to cheat.

To spread their seed to as many willing females as possible, I do agree with that.