Are we genetically designed to cheat?

[ginkobulloba]

I was reading this article the other day that said the chemicals in our brain that are responsible for making us "fall in love" are designed to stop functioning after approximately 12 months. They said that the body knows that after 12 months you have had ample time to mate and create new offspring and that after that, your body is designed to move on.

So, it would seem that getting into long term relationships, lasting over 12 months, is actually going against nature's design.

Then, today I was reading this article that a scientific research team in Australia tested a group of marsupials. There was one group of females that mated with only one partner and the other group of slutty marsupials had multiple partners. Turned out, the slutty marsupials gave birth to healthier babies than the monogomous ones.

They reason that the results were favorable for the sluts because in having more partners, they were able to weed out the weaker males and had more access to high quality, baby making sperm. They were able to use sex as a way to acquire protection, food, and shelter.

I just happened to read these articles in the last two days and it's got me thinking that we are trying to trick ourselves into this lifestyle of monogomy. I know there are all kinds of societal factors that have basically beat the idea of marriage and family into our brains, but I'm starting to think that maybe we were never designed to do that.

[helium3]

as far as im aware humans like most animals are not monogamous by nature.

most relationships between animals involve some sort of hierarchy or simply put male dominated pack involving multiple females.but there are exceptions such as hyenas which have a dominant female.i digress,hyena females have such high testosterone levels that they actually grow both sets of reproductive organs,boy i bet thats confusing.

[ginkobulloba]

it's true, you have the alpha males, who are dominant and generally get their pick of the females in the group, and then you have the beta males, who get what they can and tend to follow the alphas.

[peteroy01]

dude men are built for fighting each other for breading rights. We have deeper eyes(eye brow is farther out), thicker jaws, more bone mass in our forehead and backhead, and over all more bone mass. and dont forget about strength. this is because when 2 dudes fought for a chick the stronger would win thus spreading the DNA of the stronger male. hell watch the discovery channel for about a minute and ull see bulls, male lions. etc. etc. fighting each other so they can hump whatever. back in the day we had a pack of women that were ours and we would fight other dudes for these chicks. So yes we are made for being whores. look at our physical nature.

[KrooC]

we are simply talking monkeys i agree we were built to cheat... there are exceptions though cant make them all perfect

[Bojangles69]

Yes we are "biologically" designed to cheat. Monogamous moralities didnt prevail till after the onset of higher thought processes.
Psychologically we are taught otherwise. The same as NO animal is taught to delay ejaculation, humans are the only ones who socially learn this is a favored trait to possess for sex purposes.
THis is not something thats genetically or biologically instilled in our circuitry.
We LEARN this as a response to the development of our higher thought processes + social conditioning = monogamy.

Therefore yes, biologically we are absolutely 100% predispositioned to cheat.
(for males) Women are biologically designed to locate alpha genes, and turn alpha males into beta males to aid in the females obligated nesting rituals.

Thats where monogamy springs from. An absolute alpha male is the one who has the most competent gene structures. His first biological obligation is to spread as much seed as possible, his second is to do it with females who demonstrate the physical health and capability to properly nuture and raise his seed. The females biological obligation is to give birth, than nest and nurture till the young can support and live on thier own.

So yes, we are "designed" to cheat.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

no, we aren't cavemen anymore or primal animals.

We have a mind to know whats right, and whats wrong. We don't go sniffing butts like animals.

It is a built in sinful nature of a man to look with the lustfull eye, but thats were mind comes in and overpowers that primal act.

[Phreak101]

Sex feels good so we'll do it a lot. Procreation at its finest. Love is resisting that urge for the sake of the relationship. Humanity at its finest.

Lot of "cheating" talk around here lately, everyone must be on their test cycles!

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Sex feels good so we'll do it a lot. Procreation at its finest. Love is resisting that urge for the sake of the relationship. Humanity at its finest.

Lot of "cheating" talk around here lately, everyone must be on their test cycles!

hahaha

[zodiac666]

We don't go sniffing butts like animals.

speak for yourself man

[Phreak101]

no, we aren't cavemen anymore or primal animals.

We have a mind to know whats right, and whats wrong. We don't go sniffing butts like animals.

It is a built in sinful nature of a man to look with the lustfull eye, but thats were mind comes in and overpowers that primal act.

That's religion talking.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

That's religion talking.

well, its either religion insticnt, or caveman.

and we have the power to overcome both....no doing so, is a lack of self discipline, and most of all, cheating.

[Mike Dura]

The Darwinians say that men are programed to cheat.

[Phreak101]

well, its either religion insticnt, or caveman.

and we have the power to overcome both....no doing so, is a lack of self discipline, and most of all, cheating.

I agree, but to equate instinct with sin is what drives people away from religion in the first place. If religion is going to put sex before marriage and/or cheating on the same playing field as murder, rape, theft, etc., well then it can all go to hell.

[helium3]

The Darwinians say that men are programed to cheat.

i just bypass the program lol.

[Deluge1]

Yes we are "biologically" designed to cheat. Monogamous moralities didnt prevail till after the onset of higher thought processes.
Psychologically we are taught otherwise. The same as NO animal is taught to delay ejaculation, humans are the only ones who socially learn this is a favored trait to possess for sex purposes.
THis is not something thats genetically or biologically instilled in our circuitry.
We LEARN this as a response to the development of our higher thought processes + social conditioning = monogamy.

Therefore yes, biologically we are absolutely 100% predispositioned to cheat.
(for males) Women are biologically designed to locate alpha genes, and turn alpha males into beta males to aid in the females obligated nesting rituals.

Thats where monogamy springs from. An absolute alpha male is the one who has the most competent gene structures. His first biological obligation is to spread as much seed as possible, his second is to do it with females who demonstrate the physical health and capability to properly nuture and raise his seed. The females biological obligation is to give birth, than nest and nurture till the young can support and live on thier own.

So yes, we are "designed" to cheat.

Haha I was hoping to open up this thread and see a reply from you.

This is ABSOLUTELY correct. I really don't even see how it can be argued.

[Mike Dura]

That's cool but I bet you wouldn't if really put to the test! You'd be surprised!

i just bypass the program lol.

[chest6]

I dont think so at all..why continue to be with someone if you want someone else..

[peteroy01]

go bojangles go

[Kärnfysikern]

To me it doesnt matter either way. Someone cheating is beeing a coward plain and simple. If someone want to **** around just break up and **** around.

[helium3]

That's cool but I bet you wouldn't if really put to the test! You'd be surprised!

i get put to the test evrytime i go out drinkin,and even at work,its like anything else in my life ,like stealing,to me its just not worth the risk to lose what ive got now,and the same goes for my wife.

i still look though

[zodiac666]

sleeping with different girls is fun at some points in your life but sometimes it is nice to go to sleep just holding someone you actually care about.

[firmechicano831]

yes were desined to cheat once you have a pussy in front of you and someone wanting to give it up.

[Bojangles69]

Ok, people think cheating is bad. But lets just look at some shit real quick.

Theres **7** different types of love. (taken from sternberg)


1. Liking: Intimacy is present but passion and commitment aren't.

2. Infatuation: Love at first sight, passion, no intimacy or commitment.

3. Empty Love: Commitment is present but no passion or intimacy.

4. Romantic Love: Passion & intimacy but no commitment.

5. Companionate Love: Mostly among older couples, passion is replaced by committed friendship.

6. Fatuous Love: Passion & commitment without intimacy (quickie marriage)

7. Consummate Love: full love with passion, intimacy and committment.

Passion in this context is the physical desire to want to have sex. Intimacy is an emotional connection and commitment if obvious.


The thing with cheating is NOT that people who do it are SCUMBAGS or w/e helps you sleep at night. Its that people love differently. Some people want safety and compassion, other people want passion and power. Everyone has different needs when it comes to "LOVE". Why? Because encase you didnt realize.. there is NO WORD IN OUR ENGLISH DICTIONARY that is more IDEALIZED than love.

Love has about 6 billion different definitions, one for every person alive.

Look at some scenarios:

Your with a girl for sometime and she starts ACCUSING you of cheating because your ideal love constructs are simply different. She needs lots of intimacy (connection), you need lots of passion (sex, excitement)

Because her ideal love criteria is not being met, she assumes your being unfaithful. The longer your together the more she demands intimacy, the more creeped out you get. And the less shes fulfilling your passion needs.

BUT, in your eyes, your in "love" with her, you just can't understand that the problem is not her, its everything shes been exposed to in her life that has led her to form this ideal of love in her mind.

So things are getting tense. You love her. Your not a scumbag. Your not a "coward". What is a "coward" anyway? A coward is you just breaking up, switching your emotions off, and fvcking every chick you see.

This is why guys get this shit fvcked up.

Because although *SOME* may be completely cold-hearted shit heads. Most cheaters are not. They're just human. They WANT to be with the person, this is WHY they cheat. Because they CANT just walk away from them. Their love ideals are just not harmonizing, and people are always so quick to take shit personally. Does this justify it? Probaly not. But theres a lot more to it than just smacking a label on someone, like whore (woman) or dog (man).

People say we're not animals, but they forget the only thing we possess that animals dont is the higher though process. ONE THING. You subtract that and human now = animal. People WAYYYY overestimate the power of thoughts or self-awareness. They just cant see the 10's of thousands of years humans have been evolving and all they see is the back to the greeks (2 thousand years)

We've prob had higher thought processes for 1:1000 the time (and thats being generous) we've been evolving on this planet. Thats A LOT more time, A LOT more internal circuitry and wiring spent on biological survival mechanisms, NOT the square root of 81 is 9. Or "cheating = bad".

I think sometimes people just lose focus of what it means to be human and what are consious minds literally have to put up with on a daily basis.

I can be having the most sophisticated and intellectual thought in the world than I see a beautiful girl and my mind *SHUTS OFF* completely, and I find myself completely unaware of what I was just thinking because my body is firing off circuits our species has been wiring for THOUSANDS of years and the circuits they say "NO CHEAT" are so new still that they've literally shut off. They've completely been overwritten by a deeper internal program.

Now do you gain awareness back and are still able to think "cheating is a no no"? Obviously. But people just need to realize how close to animals we actually are. We have much deeper influences than conscious thought,and much more important evolutionary objectives (replication) and sometimes I think the cheating rate is actually low when you take an evolutionary look on things but than I realize its not really right, it isnt wrong, it isnt someone being a coward or a coldheared bitch. Its just NATURAL. Its what we do. And just because some humans do it (actually MANY humans) and others dont doesnt mean ones better than the other. It just means their fighting different specific genetic and biological offsprings, possibly have a 10,000 year old ancestral ape grandfather who use to like to fvck a lot. Who knows? But I just dont think people cheat because thier evil or cowards is all Im saying. I think that "thier just human" is a better way of looking at it.

~Bo

[THE_DOME]

Ok, people think cheating is bad. But lets just look at some shit real quick.

Theres **7** different types of love. (taken from sternberg)


1. Liking: Intimacy is present but passion and commitment aren't.

2. Infatuation: Love at first sight, passion, no intimacy or commitment.

3. Empty Love: Commitment is present but no passion or intimacy.

4. Romantic Love: Passion & intimacy but no commitment.

5. Companionate Love: Mostly among older couples, passion is replaced by committed friendship.

6. Fatuous Love: Passion & commitment without intimacy (quickie marriage)

7. Consummate Love: full love with passion, intimacy and committment.

Passion in this context is the physical desire to want to have sex. Intimacy is an emotional connection and commitment if obvious.


The thing with cheating is NOT that people who do it are SCUMBAGS or w/e helps you sleep at night. Its that people love differently. Some people want safety and compassion, other people want passion and power. Everyone has different needs when it comes to "LOVE". Why? Because encase you didnt realize.. there is NO WORD IN OUR ENGLISH DICTIONARY that is more IDEALIZED than love.

Love has about 6 billion different definitions, one for every person alive.

Look at some scenarios:

Your with a girl for sometime and she starts ACCUSING you of cheating because your ideal love constructs are simply different. She needs lots of intimacy (connection), you need lots of passion (sex, excitement)

Because her ideal love criteria is not being met, she assumes your being unfaithful. The longer your together the more she demands intimacy, the more creeped out you get. And the less shes fulfilling your passion needs.

BUT, in your eyes, your in "love" with her, you just can't understand that the problem is not her, its everything shes been exposed to in her life that has led her to form this ideal of love in her mind.

So things are getting tense. You love her. Your not a scumbag. Your not a "coward". What is a "coward" anyway? A coward is you just breaking up, switching your emotions off, and fvcking every chick you see.

This is why guys get this shit fvcked up.

Because although *SOME* may be completely cold-hearted shit heads. Most cheaters are not. They're just human. They WANT to be with the person, this is WHY they cheat. Because they CANT just walk away from them. Their love ideals are just not harmonizing, and people are always so quick to take shit personally. Does this justify it? Probaly not. But theres a lot more to it than just smacking a label on someone, like whore (woman) or dog (man).

People say we're not animals, but they forget the only thing we possess that animals dont is the higher though process. ONE THING. You subtract that and human now = animal. People WAYYYY overestimate the power of thoughts or self-awareness. They just cant see the 10's of thousands of years humans have been evolving and all they see is the back to the greeks (2 thousand years)

We've prob had higher thought processes for 1:1000 the time (and thats being generous) we've been evolving on this planet. Thats A LOT more time, A LOT more internal circuitry and wiring spent on biological survival mechanisms, NOT the square root of 81 is 9. Or "cheating = bad".

I think sometimes people just lose focus of what it means to be human and what are consious minds literally have to put up with on a daily basis.

I can be having the most sophisticated and intellectual thought in the world than I see a beautiful girl and my mind *SHUTS OFF* completely, and I find myself completely unaware of what I was just thinking because my body is firing off circuits our species has been wiring for THOUSANDS of years and the circuits they say "NO CHEAT" are so new still that they've literally shut off. They've completely been overwritten by a deeper internal program.

Now do you gain awareness back and are still able to think "cheating is a no no"? Obviously. But people just need to realize how close to animals we actually are. We have much deeper influences than conscious thought,and much more important evolutionary objectives (replication) and sometimes I think the cheating rate is actually low when you take an evolutionary look on things but than I realize its not really right, it isnt wrong, it isnt someone being a coward or a coldheared bitch. Its just NATURAL. Its what we do. And just because some humans do it (actually MANY humans) and others dont doesnt mean ones better than the other. It just means their fighting different specific genetic and biological offsprings, possibly have a 10,000 year old ancestral ape grandfather who use to like to fvck a lot. Who knows? But I just dont think people cheat because thier evil or cowards is all Im saying. I think that "thier just human" is a better way of looking at it.

~Bo

bo do you pull out your school books every time you drop some info on us, or is this comming off the top of your head

[Bojangles69]

bo do you pull out your school books every time you drop some info on us, or is this comming off the top of your head

The 1-7 part is a direct copy/paste which is why i cited sternberg for it.

Youll know when its not coming off the top of my head because ill site the owner. It just suited perfectly as an intro to what I wanted to convey to people, so I hunted it down and squeezed it in.

But a lot of it is from reading and life experience that I just transfer into my own language. Whats that quote some philosopher said? "nothing you think say or do, hasnt already been said thought or done"... something like that.

[THE_DOME]

word

[chest6]

shit bojangles..u need to be my girl advisor

[ginkobulloba]

This all looks like an open and shut case. I am actually very surprised that more people have voted NO.

[mavsluva]

I don't think we were created to cheat. We were created, however, to resist temptation in order to establish our character for life on the other side of the grave. We endure daily tests, both good and bad, to illustrate our unique gifts to both ourselves and to our peers.

I'll stop there.

[CSAR]

bojangles is secretly Dr. Phil

[beuleux]

speak for yourself man

LMFAO

[stayinstacked]

I believe we are genetically PROGRAMMED to recreate w/ alot of women, however advanced enough and societized enough through religion and marriage to know right from wrong and stay monogomous

[beuleux]

Some people (guys and gals) like the both the stability of a loving monogamous relationship and the excitement of new sexual partners, they are not necessarily cowards or bad people they are just following thier hearts desire and going out and getting what they want despite the danger of being caught and risking thier stable relationship, so you could call them brave in that respect, in the case of open relationships and swinging it cant even be called cheating because both parties are agreeable, although not my preference it could be considered the best of both worlds. To a large extent its social conditioning which leads us to be monogamous, for example some arabs and muslims have many wifes to them its perfectly normal, in some very poor countries its acceptable for brothers or male cousins to share a wife because they cant afford one each. Personally I dont allow the moral values of others to govern my life, most of us in here would be considered "cheats" because of our desire to juice, but we are not cowards because of it right, I do what I like. I have been both cheated on and cheated, as mature and sensible adults we very quickly recover from such traumas... c'est la vie

[Kärnfysikern]

Some people (guys and gals) like the both the stability of a loving monogamous relationship and the excitement of new sexual partners, they are not necessarily cowards or bad people they are just following thier hearts desire and going out and getting what they want despite the danger of being caught and risking thier stable relationship, so you could call them brave in that respect, in the case of open relationships and swinging it cant even be called cheating because both parties are agreeable, although not my preference it could be considered the best of both worlds. To a large extent its social conditioning which leads us to be monogamous, for example some arabs and muslims have many wifes to them its perfectly normal, in some very poor countries its acceptable for brothers or male cousins to share a wife because they cant afford one each. Personally I dont allow the moral values of others to govern my life, most of us in here would be considered "cheats" because of our desire to juice, but we are not cowards because of it right, I do what I like. I have been both cheated on and cheated, as mature and sensible adults we very quickly recover from such traumas... c'est la vie

Not a bash but this is the first time I have ever heard anyone describing dropping pants and inserting penis as brave

[beuleux]

Not a bash but this is the first time I have ever heard anyone describing dropping pants and inserting penis as brave

Im not just talking about guys... ladies can cheat too you know. Im talking about the fear of being cheated on that leads us to hold cheaters in contempt, I dont think cheaters are so bad, (excluding marriage where people have sworn an oath on thier religious beliefs, in which case they are a bad guy by thier own standards not mine) who here has never cheated, I have, Im no bad guy, Im beuleux the dude lol. Is it ones own insecurities that makes one hate the cheater, does one have to feel valued by someone else in order to be truly happy

[Kärnfysikern]

Im not just talking about guys... ladies can cheat too you know. Im talking about the fear of being cheated on that leads us to hold cheaters in contempt, I dont think cheaters are so bad, (excluding marriage where people have sworn an oath on thier religious beliefs, in which case they are a bad guy by thier own standards not mine) who here has never cheated, I have, Im no bad guy, Im beuleux the dude lol. Is it ones own insecurities that makes one hate the cheater, does one have to feel valued by someone else in order to be truly happy

I just think cheating is the worst form of lying. To me it makes no difference if I am married or not. I have taken a non spoken oath not to cheat. Otherwise I would not be with her.

I have never cheated btw.

I dont hate cheaters, my best friend has cheated on several of his girlfriends. I just think he should have told them. I would die inside if I cheated and then tried to go on like nothing has happened.

I wouldnt say I am afriad of beeing cheated on either. I trust my girlfriend 100%, if I didnt I wouldnt be with her.
But I have so many friends that have been destroyed by partners cheating on them. To bring so much pain to someone your suposed to love and honor just because of hornyness. I just think its wrong on every level. Its so simple, if someone wants to screw around, be single and do it, that way there is no need for lies and deception. Or be in a relationship where everyone is cool with it. Screwing someone else isnt the problem, I have no objection to multipartner relationships or swingers allthough I would never want to be in one, the problem is the lies.

[The OutLord]

I dont think the human is createed to a life with the same life comrade.

This cillivisation we are living in today!!
That cillivisation is very young.
The moden social life , make use in a safe world in comparison to the human we realy was when we wos runing in the forest with 5 meter bear spears!!!.
the only thing that matters under this time was food , dont get alon becouas must hunt in a pack and breeding!!.

[peteroy01]

beleux and bojangles, yall are the sht. yall say what my illiterate azz cant. and the rest of u need to come and join the dark side.

[The OutLord]

beleux and bojangles, yall are the sht. yall say what my illiterate azz cant. and the rest of u need to come and join the dark side.

satanist??are you ? ore have I misunderstanding you words!.

It lock`s like alot of catchwords in you meaning.

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