Evolutionary traits... 'fate' or simply a crutch?

**ect0m0rph** · 01-09-2007, 02:38 PM

I totally think it is a crutch. There are lots of things that you want to do in the moment but should take some time to think about. We are evolved creatures who can make rational decisions in the face of carnal desires. Just my opinion

**Carlos_E** · 01-09-2007, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by beuleux

Something Ive noticed is the people more against cheating period, are around thier early/mid twenties and while the more blase are in thier thirties and fourties, I realy dont mean to be patronizing but my outlook on life and the universe now at 42 is completely different than it was when I was 22

I am 37 near your age and I think cheating is terribly wrong.

**beuleux** · 01-09-2007, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Carlos_E

I am 37 near your age and I think cheating is terribly wrong.

Oh yeh so you are, I wasnt meaning any one person in particular, I dont mean just on the board, there are a lot of youngsters who speak with the blinkers of youthfull idealism in general, anyway peoples cirmumstances very so widely I dont think anyone has the right to say they should or shouldnt do it, I was defending the right to cheat if one felt it absolutely necessary and unavoidable but I dont agree with cheating as a sport if you like when one has all the benefits of an otherwise normal happy relationship. So to answer Narks original question YES it is an emotional crutch, Ive never heard a fat person try to justify being fat by saying Im geneticaly programmed to like fatty food, besides women cheat too the genetic argument doesnt extend to them so whats thier excuse. All said and done a long time close friend of mine cheats on his wife left right and centre, rightly or wrongly its not for me to say, I dont despise him and I trust him implicity just like I did before he started cheating, hes the same guy.

**Flagg** · 01-09-2007, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by dhriscerr

Do you tell anyone that asks you if you do steriods, that you do? I doubt it, but that internt makes you a liar and as you said that makes you not trustworthy, so in esence you do not care about yourself because you do not care about untrustworthy people. I dont neccisarily aggree with cheating, but you dont just get to pick and choose what you lie about and decide if you lie about this its ok, but if you lie about that your untrustworthy? I do think that some people do it for fairly decent reasons, and really is all sex about intamacy? What if you love your wife more than anything in the world and you have been with her for 20 years but the sex and lust for eachother isn't there but you love them and your children with them but you find someone in the same position and you have sex to satisfy your sexual desires only, but there is no love or commitment or relationship of any kind there. Is that so bad?? I dont know, but if you love some one but there is no sex or the sex isnt fun anymore is that a good enough reason to get a divorce? Or should you live the rest of your lfie with no sex which inturn will make your life misserabl?

People ask if im on steroids now. I say no because....im not. I do know what you're saying though. Lying is never a good thing, even in cases where "the lie would do more good than the truth" and to be in those sort of situations in the first place something ****ed up has happened. The more people lie and think they can get away with it, the more they'll do it...like a bad habit. Like Johan said, yes we're animals but we're evolved animals, we're beyond primal instincts. My mate last night told me he's unhappy in his relationship. He's told me he takes his girlfriend for granted and believes he's not good enough for her and basically just wants to be on his own for awhile now but doesn't want to break up with her cause it will destroy her. He hasn't cheated on her but I told him he's either gotta fix that or move on. Cause five years from now, if he's still with her, and he's still unhappy, the need to cheat will get bigger and bigger. He needs to do the big thing now to save more hurt later on.

***Doc.Sust*** · 01-09-2007, 09:01 PM

crutch

**T3/T4 GSR** · 01-09-2007, 09:26 PM

Bojangles....question. How would you feel if you were in a relationship with a girl and you caught her cheating and the best she could come up with is I dunno why I did it I just felt the biological urge to do it?

**dhriscerr** · 01-10-2007, 01:30 AM

LoL, some people just cant eat pizza everyday, they need some chineese every now and again!

**CSAR** · 01-10-2007, 02:13 AM

Interesting thread. Much more intellectually challenging than the usual fare. How to argue this? Hmmm....

I'd have to say cheating is wrong any way you choose to look at it. To me, saying "I'm I guy! It's in our genes to cheat!" is a pitiful excuse for lack of self control. People have an excuse for every type of bad behavior (ADHD, abusive parents, bullying, etc.) these days.

We've gone from an age where actions could be viewed as black or white to the gray shades of behavior justification. I don't claim to ride any white horse or hold any moral high ground, because I have often been tempted to cheat. Nor can I say that I'm pure of heart and spirit for the same reason. I honestly don't know how I would choose to behave if I didn't have two children. More than any quality I could hope to possess, they are my primary source of moral strength. I can't imagine having to explain to them that mommy is divorcing daddy because daddy couldn't control himself and had sex with a woman other than mommy. That would be unbearable.

**BigLittleTim** · 01-10-2007, 09:38 AM

Lying is an accursed vice. It is only our words which bind us together and make us human. If we realized the horror and weight of lying, we would see that it is more worthy of the stake than other crimes.... Once let the tongue acquire the habit of lying and it is astonishing how impossible it is to make it give it up.

-Montaigne

**beuleux** · 01-10-2007, 10:47 AM

Can we go back to immature threads now please Nark?

***Narkissos*** · 01-17-2007, 11:55 PM

bump!

**dece870717** · 01-18-2007, 12:43 AM

Wait we evolved? From the looks of it, it looks like were going way down hill.

**MuscleScience** · 01-18-2007, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Bojangles69

I had to pick this out as the most intellectual response in this thread. (with the exception of spelling lol)
It is right on the money.

All you people talking about rationalizations and excuses and how its *not ok to do. Your hypocrits, and your doing it right now. Read what you write.

Are we genetically predispositioned to cheating? theres no question about it, some people absolutely are.
Somebody once said the whole interplay comes down to *cheating vs. *options. There are thousands of men right now who DONT HAVE THE OPTION to cheat and are saying "i would never cheat" blah blah blah.

And guess what? They would even come into a open forum like this and claim they are moral noble people who make all the right choices in life and would *never do such a thing.
Call this a shot in the dark,
Out of every 100 guys who say that. Id be willing to bet that 75% of them right now COULDNT cheat if they wanted to so why needlessly incriminate themselves? Than another sayyyy 10% WANT to cheat, and dont suppress the "forbidden desire" by societal expectations, but just havent had a chance to do it because thier lifestyle dictates as such (always working, always with thier family or wife, gf etc). Whats that leave.. 15%

Yeh those are the m/fkrs leading denial parades, actively cheating right now and lying thier asses off. Long story short. People are people. But before we were people we were animals. (unless you think some intergalactic stork dropped a human baby off thus evolved the human species) And as much as I see and hear people saying "i wont cheat" "im not like that".

Let me say, I dont care who you are or what you do. You are human. I dont trust you. I dont care WHY you cheat. Genes DO play a role among many other factors. So I'll end my point by saying if you have a mouth or fingers. What you say and what you type doesnt mean shit to me.

The key is to be smarter than 99% of the people around you, and to realize its not really hard at all. Just dont believe people when you listen to them. Let them yap all they want, and validate themselves to the world.
Than f**k up and apologize for the next 10 years.
It happens everywhere, in this thread, in real life, in your own home.
So my motto is, who give a f*ck?

Edit: and this is something ive just noticed from experience, the more people talk about how wrong it is to cheat and like they have to validate thier morals with me and the rest of the world, the less likely im to believe they wont cheat.

its usually the ones who dont talk about it who really dont think about it, thus dont feel tempted to actually do it.

Yeah I am not going to win any spelling bee's. LOL

**MuscleScience** · 01-18-2007, 11:51 AM

We are still animals, and as a species we cant fight our natural nasty behaviors. Some of us can on and individual level though but not many.

**Kärnfysikern** · 01-18-2007, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Bojangles69

Are we genetically predispositioned to cheating? theres no question about it, some people absolutely are.
Somebody once said the whole interplay comes down to *cheating vs. *options. There are thousands of men right now who DONT HAVE THE OPTION to cheat and are saying "i would never cheat" blah blah blah.

And guess what? They would even come into a open forum like this and claim they are moral noble people who make all the right choices in life and would *never do such a thing.
Call this a shot in the dark,
Out of every 100 guys who say that. Id be willing to bet that 75% of them right now COULDNT cheat if they wanted to so why needlessly incriminate themselves? Than another sayyyy 10% WANT to cheat, and dont suppress the "forbidden desire" by societal expectations, but just havent had a chance to do it because thier lifestyle dictates as such (always working, always with thier family or wife, gf etc). Whats that leave.. 15%

Yeh those are the m/fkrs leading denial parades, actively cheating right now and lying thier asses off. Long story short. People are people. But before we were people we were animals. (unless you think some intergalactic stork dropped a human baby off thus evolved the human species) And as much as I see and hear people saying "i wont cheat" "im not like that".

Let me say, I dont care who you are or what you do. You are human. I dont trust you. I dont care WHY you cheat. Genes DO play a role among many other factors. So I'll end my point by saying if you have a mouth or fingers. What you say and what you type doesnt mean shit to me.

Look at small kids. They take whatever they want when they want it. That behavior is certainly genetic and not learnes.
Its natural for us humans to grab what we want.

But we learn as we grow that we can resist the urge to just steal whatever we want because it has negative consequenses.

Im sure we are geneticaly all prone to beeing thieves, but how many of us are realy a thief even when given the oppertunity?

There is no question that we have alot of desires and urges because of our genetics, but there is also no question that we have a certain ammount of controll over those urges, simply because we have a mind capable of making descisions. No other animal can do that to the same extent.