Birth Control: Do women get shutdown?

**Johny-too-small** · 01-08-2007, 11:06 PM

Last night I was explaining to my wife in the best way that I could how aas works and what steps/drugs are req'd to make a complete cycle including pct.

She asked me a few basic questions that I need help from anyone here that actually knows. Here goes:

Women use birth control for months and even years at a time. Many versions of female birth control (the pill, shots, etc) keep the ovaries from releasing the egg. Basically, the ovary is shut down? Typically, it may take several months to become "fertile" again, however, this is not always the case. Are women still producing estrogen while on birth control? Or are they "shutdown" in the same way that gear shuts men down? If this is the case (an estrogen shutdown), why is it okay for this to happen over and over again? Would this constant shutdown lead to female hormonal problems down the road?

Not sure if I’m comparing apples to apples, so please bear with me. Thanks.

**IronReload04** · 01-08-2007, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

Last night I was explaining to my wife in the best way that I could how aas works and what steps/drugs are req'd to make a complete cycle including pct.

She asked me a few basic questions that I need help from anyone here that actually knows. Here goes:

Women use birth control for months and even years at a time. Many versions of female birth control (the pill, shots, etc) keep the ovaries from releasing the egg. Basically, the ovary is shut down? Typically, it may take several months to become "fertile" again, however, this is not always the case. Are women still producing estrogen while on birth control? Or are they "shutdown" in the same way that gear shuts men down? If this is the case (an estrogen shutdown), why is it okay for this to happen over and over again? Would this constant shutdown lead to female hormonal problems down the road?

Not sure if I’m comparing apples to apples, so please bear with me. Thanks.

they are shut down in the same way that gear shuts us down.

looks like the media is biased towards testosterone but not estrogen hmmm

they both are effected in "the negative feedback loop"

**spywizard** · 01-08-2007, 11:10 PM

there are suppliments to boost thier natural production of estro..

don't take this yourself..

good luck

**shwamin2004** · 01-09-2007, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by IronReload04

looks like the media is biased towards testosterone but not estrogen hmmm

Or..gear is illegal. Birth control is not.

**IronReload04** · 01-09-2007, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by shwamin2004

Or..gear is illegal. Birth control is not.

1. they are both steroids
2. they both effect the negative feedback loop
3. IF a guy wanted to take a guy form of birth control, it would be testosterone . Doing that, its essentially using the same pathway that estrogen uses to control woman

***Narkissos*** · 01-09-2007, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

Last night I was explaining to my wife in the best way that I could how aas works and what steps/drugs are req'd to make a complete cycle including pct.

She asked me a few basic questions that I need help from anyone here that actually knows. Here goes:

Women use birth control for months and even years at a time. Many versions of female birth control (the pill, shots, etc) keep the ovaries from releasing the egg. Basically, the ovary is shut down? Typically, it may take several months to become "fertile" again, however, this is not always the case. Are women still producing estrogen while on birth control? Or are they "shutdown" in the same way that gear shuts men down? If this is the case (an estrogen shutdown), why is it okay for this to happen over and over again? Would this constant shutdown lead to female hormonal problems down the road?

Not sure if I’m comparing apples to apples, so please bear with me. Thanks.

I don't believe they're totally 'shutdown' as the amount they administer isn't supraphysiological.

But they are 'suppressed'.

Additionally.. the ovaries can be affected. I'm not sure if atrophy is the correct term for it... but yes, if suppressed for too long they will shut down... possibly indefinately.

I was talking to a couple of friends recently with regard to female contraception.. because females close to me have some pretty painful periods. So i was inquiring about how long they could administer birth control before it'd cause a problem.

The docs say it's necessary to have a period every 3 months (i.e. all administration must be ceased) at the very least to keep the ovaries functioning.

Suppression for a longer period could result in 'shutdown'.

I can't say definatively how administration affects estrogen production though.

***Narkissos*** · 01-09-2007, 09:40 AM

By the way... estrogen isn't produced soley by the ovaries.

Smaller amounts are produced by the liver; adrenal glands; and the breasts.

And 'estrogen' should actually be represented as 'estrogens'...

As within the body 'estrogen' represents a group of compounds...not just one. e.g. Estradiol; Estriol etc.

**Johny-too-small** · 01-09-2007, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Narkissos

By the way... estrogen isn't produced soley by the ovaries.

Smaller amounts are produced by the liver; adrenal glands; and the breasts.

And 'estrogen' should actually be represented as 'estrogens'...

As within the body 'estrogen' represents a group of compounds...not just one. e.g. Estradiol; Estriol etc.

Testosterone is obviously only produced in the balls, correct?

My wife was one depo or the shot for over two years without interruption. She had a lot of trouble and sides from it including weight gain, nausea, emotional depression, etc.
I think its interesting that doctors/ media/ government talk about how dangerous steroids are from men. Sure, for a still developing male under 25 it can be, but aside from that, is it any more dangerous than a woman using birth control?

**tinyguy2** · 01-09-2007, 10:17 AM

Women are on 3 week on one week off cycles.(normally) Anyone who uses juice do cycles like that?

**Mizfit** · 01-09-2007, 10:54 AM

There is actually soem debate over the fact that womens birth control are legal, where as test etc for men is not..

interesting argument by some, but one i highly doubt will ever go anywhere

**Johny-too-small** · 01-09-2007, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by tinyguy2

Women are on 3 week on one week off cycles.(normally) Anyone who uses juice do cycles like that?

Right, as it pertains to the pill, and the nolvaring, etc. I hope no one uses gear like that!

However, the shot lasts for three months at a time, at which, the user has the option to get another shot. This method can lead to infertility for months after the 3-month period has lapsed.

**tinyguy2** · 01-09-2007, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

Right, as it pertains to the pill, and the nolvaring, etc. I hope no one uses gear like that!

However, the shot lasts for three months at a time, at which, the user has the option to get another shot. This method can lead to infertility for months after the 3-month period has lapsed.

implants last years don't they? but i meant normally

**sassy69** · 01-09-2007, 08:56 PM

Well, not being an expert, I went to the internet...

from http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/0663.html

Birth control pills fool the body into acting as if it's pregnant. Birth control pills, also called oral contraceptives (OCs), come in two forms: the combined OC, a combination of two synthetic hormones, estrogen and progestin; and, the minipill, which consists solely of progestin. Combined OCs are more commonly used, though both kinds are available through health care providers. The combination pill prevents ovulation by suppressing the natural hormones in the body that would stimulate the ovary to release an egg. By taking this estrogen throughout the month, you insure that no egg will be developed or released for that cycle. Progestin thickens the cervical mucus, hindering the movement of sperm. Progestin also prevents the uterus's lining from developing normally; so, if an egg were fertilized, implantation is unlikely.

Why you can keep using it -- I guess that's because it isn't completely shut down. The consequences of complete estrogen production shutdown? Think the stuff you hear about menopause - hot flashes, osteoporosis, etc.

**gixxerboy1** · 01-09-2007, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by tinyguy2

implants last years don't they? but i meant normally

Yes an iud can last up to 7 years.

**fLgAtOr** · 01-09-2007, 09:37 PM

So estro isn't produce from the aromatization of test in females? I figured they just had more aromatase then men.

Regardless, women can bouce back pretty quickly if they stop taking BC...Or at least it doesn't seem as extreme as a male stopping a cycle.

Whats the reason for this?

**T3/T4 GSR** · 01-09-2007, 09:42 PM

My guess is the fact that some of the compounds are very foreign to the body. Look at compounds that shut you down real hard like deca ...a totally man made derivative of testosterone .

***Narkissos*** · 01-09-2007, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by T3/T4 GSR

My guess is the fact that some of the compounds are very foreign to the body. Look at compounds that shut you down real hard like deca...a totally man made derivative of testosterone.

Testosterone shuts your down hard... while dianabol (a test-derivative) does not to the same degree...