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03-29-2007, 10:32 PM #41
yea ive heard from several graduates that its 90% mental 10% physical
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03-29-2007, 11:31 PM #42
Been there. I think there's some misinformation being posted here that needs to be re-examined.
First piece of advice, take the Budweiser off your avatar. You're not a SEAL...yet. SEALs seriously frown on those who use it without having earned it. I know it might not make sense and you probably see it as a motivational tool, but guys who showed up to BUD/S with Budweiser tattoos, flags, posters, etc., were paid special attention. Save it for if and when you actually earn it.
Second, you can put all the percentages on mental vs. physical, but they're just numbers. The only thing that matters is how much cold, pain, and suffering you're willing to put up with for 6 months.
Third, just because you signed a contract to go to BUD/S doesn't mean you're guaranteed of being a SEAL. If you wash out for whatever reason, the Navy will stick you where they please. A lot of other factors go into this (which phase you were in at the time, the nature of your out, your ASVAB score, etc.), but I knew several guys who ended up "haze gray and underway" within a week of washing out. 3 of them had university degrees and became instant boatswains mates...chipping rust and paint among other shit details. You gotta wait 2 years to go back after washing out too.
Fourth, you gotta know all kinds of strokes, not just the sidestroke. You'll use the sidestroke for your timed swims, but during training you might use the butterfly, backstroke, freestyle, breaststroke, etc.
Fifth, all those PRT numbers are just that...numbers. Respectable numbers are around 9 minutes on your run and swim, 80 pushups, 100 situps, and 20 pullups. Guys with superhuman numbers are sometimes the first to DOR, while guys who barely made it are often there until the end.
Sixth, get comfortable in the water. Drownproofing, underwater knot-tying, swimming while bound, buddy towing, underwater swimming for distance, etc., are hard enough. Add to that an instructor or two ****ing with you and the comfort factor becomes the sphincter pucker factor.
Seventh, drop the weights. Increase your cardio and flexibility. Endurance and recovery are going to be way more important than how much you bench and squat.
Eighth, once you get there do what you're told and stay under the radar. Guys who don't listen or stand out receive special attention. Guy in my class had a late video to Blockbuster. The instructors felt he had disrespected the SEAL - BUD/S name and he got his ass handed to him. He ended up DOR'ing after 3 hours of abuse...all for a late video.
Ninth, sorry for the book. I was admin dropped from BUD/S during 2nd phase for the stupidest of personal actions. I went to Tijuana with some guys I went to boot with (they were going to A school in S.D.) and ended up getting busted. So no, I didn't become a SEAL. I was a BUD/S dud.
PM me if you have some specific questions.
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03-29-2007, 11:55 PM #43Originally Posted by CSAR
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03-30-2007, 02:51 AM #44
I'll send you a PM to the address you specified as soon as I can. Before that I want to share something that might benefit you and others considering BUD/S or other similar schools.
I know you're using the Budweiser/Trident as motivation, but you're advertising it ("keep my eye on the prize"). It's a symbol of something achieved, which you haven't done yet. You know using it without earning it is frowned upon, but you're still gonna display it. I have to ask as to why you feel the need for a public display of your motivation? Let me share something and I apologize beforehand for my verbosity.
The Navy, in conjunction with the psychology department at UCSD has been researching/trying to identify BUD/S candidates for years to determine what type of guy makes it through BUD/S as compared to those who don't. Physical attributes and abilities were discarded, because SEALs come in all shapes and sizes (the only common physical characteristic was a lack of tattoos). The underlying psychological trait common to all BUD/S graduates is the will to overcome a challenge. Guys who identify themselves as wanting to be a SEAL or being motivated to become a SEAL comprised the majority of DOR's. These same DOR's were observed to verbally express their motivation and publicly display the Budweiser/Trident in various ways (flags, tattoos, posters, and actual pins). This research shows a strong correlation between public displays of "SEAL motivation" and DOR'ing. The bottom line is that guys who are in love with the idea of being a SEAL DOR because they can't cope with the process of becoming a SEAL.
I'm trying to help you here because you're doing what most DOR's do. Don't be one of these guys who tells everyone how they're going to BUD/S, going to be SEALs, have SEAL paraphernalia, etc. SEALs keep their motivation a private, personal affair (i.e., SILENT PROFESSIONALS) - I sincerely hope you do the same.
Originally Posted by Fordfan01
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03-30-2007, 09:50 AM #45
more good info yea i dont want to brag or nething like that cause im not doin this for other ppl im doin it for myself and thats actually the first time ive ever displayed any navy or SEAL emblem at all so ill cut it of at that and thanks for looking out CSAR
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03-30-2007, 12:30 PM #46
Good Luck, and nothing but best wishes for you bro. Its alot of mind over matter...If you dont mind it just doesn't matter. Stay strong
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03-30-2007, 12:58 PM #47Originally Posted by Fordfan01
Two things to remember and they might be kinda corny and over used but.
1. Pain is temporary pride is forever
2. Your not the first to do it, so if someone else can do it there is no reason you cant.
For me the thought of not making it never let me quit. And the pride my family and friends had in me, and the pride I had in myself made it worth every second. And now the free college aint bad either
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03-30-2007, 04:39 PM #48
thanks for the good words shane dhriscerr
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03-30-2007, 06:11 PM #49
Fordfan...THAT is an AWESOME avatar! Definitely get a big one for your room at the NAVSPECWARCEN. When you have room inspections, instructors like to see that. Man, I am excited for you - you're gonna have the experience of a lifetime!
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03-30-2007, 10:38 PM #50Junior Member
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CSAR. I have taken the asvab test a few times, but havn't been able to get a high enough score to get into buds. When I do get a high enough score will this still prevent me from getting a contract and getting to class up. Because I've taken it so many times?
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03-30-2007, 11:10 PM #51
thore - this is Fordfan's thread and I don't want to hijack it. Shoot me a PM and I'll try to answer your question.
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03-30-2007, 11:20 PM #52Junior Member
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Oh, sorry about that. This may be a dumb question but how do I do that.
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03-30-2007, 11:35 PM #53
Fordfan - I'll share a BUD/S story that started out funny, but ended up going all wrong. It might shed some light on the seriousness of BUD/S.
At BUD/S, you might get involved with one or two "dog and pony" shows. Basically, some congressman, senator, DOD official, defense contractor, or other cake-eater wants to see some BUD/S training, so the NSWC let's them watch. It keeps the Navy brass and bean-counters happy because the cake-eaters remember that stuff when budget money is allocated.
Anyhow, one of the class rollbacks decides he's gonna have some fun. He borrows a really large pair of UDT's from another tadpole and volunteers to be a part of the drownproofing demonstration. So here he is, hands bound behind his back, feet bound together at the ankles, with a pair of UDT's barely hanging around his waist. So, the cake-eaters are watching these guys through the underground viewing areas around the CTT. Sure enough, when the guy starts "bobbing", his UDT's come down to his ankles and all the cake-eaters get to see his lilly white ass and private parts. He was quickly yanked from the pool by one of the instructors and tried the old Janet Jackson/Justin Timberlake "costume malfunction" excuse. We thought it was hilarious, but the instructors didn't. Not only did they admin drop his ass to the fleet, but they also found the guy who loaned him the UDT's (his last name was stenciled on the back pocket) and he received some "special" attention and a "no-dry" chit for a week. That meant that he had to be soaking wet and sandy every day during training, no matter what evolution was taking place. Oh, and his swim buddy had to join him because "you never go anywhere without your swim buddy".
Just another example of why it's best to stay under the radar at BUD/S.
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03-30-2007, 11:56 PM #54Originally Posted by CSAR
man that is funny but that guy payed a big price just goofing around... yea i think ill remain unseen when i get there
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03-31-2007, 08:10 AM #55
Best advice: Don't quit, no matter how cold or how tired.
Goodluck,
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03-31-2007, 02:26 PM #56
thanks mbaraso
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04-01-2007, 09:38 AM #57
Definately true.
Originally Posted by mavsluva
Before BUDS training, you should be running ALOT!!!! Also, if you are not running 10-12 miles a day now, don't try and get there tomorrow. Work into it. Running is a great way to condition your mind to "go beyond" what you think you can do. Caution though, you're not trying to destroy your confidence either. So..........I suggest that you set a running program along with lots of pull-ups, sit-ups, push-ups, etc. and use the program to exercise your mental abilities. For example, when you are running, when you feel you cannot go on, make yourself go for an extended distance or time. You can increase this as you learn to push your body and ignore that your mind is telling you "STOP!!!".
The guys that make it through BUDS are not all the same physically. There are minimum standards for alot of things like running and swimming times but the trainers are looking for one thing overall: that is, one's ability to push beyond your perceived physical limits.
Oh yeah, on a final note, if you are not yet there, you had better become one with the water. You need to be a fish and very calm, cool and collected underwater. 'Cause when your being pounded by a huge wave with 10 of your BUDS buddies thrown on top of you, you'll need to be able to just chill out in the surf. If you can't hold you breath sitting underwater for three minutes, you need to get there. You should also be able to do 100 meters underwater with no breaths. Do it without fins and in dark salt water if you have the place. Really, if you are not a strong swimmer, you need to become one and that really includes being very, very, very comfortable underwater with little air.
Practice makes perfect: Get that mind strong.
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04-01-2007, 09:56 AM #58
Good luck bro!
Always thought the SEALS or coast guarding would kick!!
I'm going into SWAT, can't say it's as hardcore but will be fun
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04-01-2007, 07:18 PM #59
thanks for the info grappler and thanks audis good luck to u as well
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04-01-2007, 07:21 PM #60
CSAR i see u lurking lol so ill ask u on here I wear contacts and i was wondering if i should get surgery done before i enter or while i am in i believe my eysight is worse than 20/200 but im not sure if so then i will have to get it done before i enlist
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04-01-2007, 07:59 PM #61Originally Posted by Grappler13
You're not going to have 10 guys in your IBS. You'll have 6 others at the most and if you're "chilling out in the surf" then you'll catch hell from the instructors because it will look like you're not helping your boat crew. Listen to the instructors for the proper procedures to follow for a capsized boat during IBS training.
Do not hold your breath for 3 minutes underwater and don't attempt 100 meters without a breath. In early 1997, Instructor Kimura (aka, Instructor K) drowned in the dive tower during a 2nd Phase evolution, during which he was holding his breath for extended periods of time. Since that time, neither instructors nor students are allowed to even approach such a duration. The longest you might even come close to is just over a minute during underwater knot tying in 1st Phase or various 2nd Phase evolutions. The longest you'll swim underwater without a breath is 50 meters in 1st Phase. During Indoc, you'll swim 25 meters and later 35 meters to prepare you for the 50 meter underwater swim test.
Follow the workouts in Stew Smith's book that you got. Contact the nearest SEAL Motivator and get advice. Depending on how close you are, the SEAL Motivator may even be willing to work out with you and give you a no-shitter. But DON'T overtrain and break your body down before you even get to BUD/S.
Before I went to BUD/S this was the training schedule given to me by a SEAL Motivator.
Day 1 - Pool Training - Distance swim followed by progressive hypoxics.
Day 2 - Pool Training - Sprints (side stroke, breast stroke, butterfly, freestyle, and back stroke) followed by drown proofing, underwater knot tying, and buddy towing.
Day 3 - Land Training - Distance runs (no more than 5 miles) followed by SEAL PT.
Day 4 - Off.
Day 5 - Pool Training - SEAL PST 500 yard timed swim (either side stroke or breast stroke) followed by 250 meter form training working on various types of strokes, then 1000 meters with fins.
Day 6 - Land Training - Sprints and incline sprints (sand berms) followed by SEAL PT.
Day 7 - Off.
Every 2 weeks on Day 3, I did a 4 mile timed run.
Every 2 weeks on Day 6, I did the SEAL PST w/o the 500 yard timed swim.
Every 2 weeks on Day 5, I mixed pool training up with water polo, underwater hockey, or other water sport for fun.
I arrived at BUD/S in great shape and most importantly, I was fresh and injury free not de-motivated and broke dick.
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04-01-2007, 08:05 PM #62Originally Posted by Fordfan01
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04-01-2007, 09:34 PM #63Originally Posted by CSAR
thanks for clearing some of that up....it was hard to believe some of that .. i talked to my SEAL motivator just a bit ago and it kind of disheartened me b/c he said that i prob couldnt get the eye surgery done til i was 21 or 22 and i also checked and my vision is worse than 20/200 so i cant enlist until i get the surgery however i am goin to talk to several doctors and get their opinion on when i will be ready for surgery however i am goin to keep up my training until i do enlist
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04-01-2007, 10:09 PM #64Originally Posted by Fordfan01
Also, I'm pretty shocked at some of the misinformation that's being posted here. Your best source of info and a good sounding board for your questions will be the SEAL Motivator. Before boot and during my time at RTC, the SEAL Motivators were outstanding and very supportive. Even at BUD/S during PTRR and Indoc, the instructor cadre was helpful - they show you how to do something and you're expected to master it very quickly. Then when you get into 1st Phase, you get a new set of instructors that hammer you until Thursday morning of Hellweek (almost no one quits after that and most of the BUD/S duds have been weeded out by that point). After you finish Hellweek on Friday morning/afternoon, the instructors don't hammer you as hard unless you fvck up and deserve it.
Just be patient...
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04-01-2007, 10:27 PM #65Originally Posted by CSAR
yes finishing college is my main priority right now however some certain circumstances might force me to change majors which i DO NOT want to do... my recruiter told me he thought that i had enough hours to come into the navy with an associates degree and he said that would allow me to enter as an E-3 and then finish my last two years later on. Im not quite sure at this point, it just depends on if i can stay in my major or not.
And yea i havent known my SEAL motivator long and he has already been a huge help. Ill be meeting him tuesday and we are goin to discuss wat my plans are goin to be. But right now im goin to bed but i hope to get tons more info from u in the weeks to come
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