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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw View Post
    not really. it would mostly be good for fat loss. but at your age. some cardio and correct diet would do that same trick

    you would have to run it for at least 6 months. which will cost at least an arm, if not a leg.

    there are side affects. numbness in hands. and some others.

    and no pct
    shit...i wanted something for muscle growth not for fat loss.
    I guess i'll be natty all my fvcking life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voland View Post
    Duk, give some but i want more feedback.
    I'm 22. Would a GH cycle be beneficial? How long should I run it?
    Does that have side effects or require a PCT?
    Thanks.
    No, you shouldn't bother with it. Cost will outweigh the benefits for you. Old people go on GH to loose some bf and get a little muscle. They only need to take like 2iu's to make a difference. You're already making a lot at your age. To get any mass benefits you need to take like 10iu's a day and that's just too expensive. You gotta run that for like 6 months. In addition there are side effects to that high of a dose. Also the look...it makes your organs grow and give you a bit of a pot belly. Some people say it also makes your face look a little more caveman. Can accelerate cancer growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimalGear View Post
    oooh i see, i didn't mean trt thru a doctor...i kinda just meant staying on gear
    well then same thing... do you know that you will always be able to afford gear until you die? or even if you just do alot of cycles and short PCTs. you still risk messing your system up from that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimalGear View Post
    cool Voland i didn't know you were 22
    21 here so I'm in the same boat as you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimalGear View Post
    only 20 more to go


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    dukki have you ordered your pellets yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voland View Post
    shit...i wanted something for muscle growth not for fat loss.
    I guess i'll be natty all my fvcking life.
    you against steriods ? your willing to do GH but not gear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos View Post
    No, you shouldn't bother with it. Cost will outweigh the benefits for you. Old people go on GH to loose some bf and get a little muscle. They only need to take like 2iu's to make a difference. You're already making a lot at your age. To get any mass benefits you need to take like 10iu's a day and that's just too expensive. You gotta run that for like 6 months. In addition there are side effects to that high of a dose. Also the look...it makes your organs grow and give you a bit of a pot belly. Some people say it also makes your face look a little more caveman. Can accelerate cancer growth.
    ok. I'll just jump to the stage of acceptance: Ill be a skinny twig all my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokeyd View Post
    dukki have you ordered your pellets yet?
    not yet. im still talking to my source about the powder thing i told you about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw View Post
    well then same thing... do you know that you will always be able to afford gear until you die? or even if you just do alot of cycles and short PCTs. you still risk messing your system up from that.
    Oh yeah, i'm well aware of the risks. I just work so hard and am not seeing the benefits. Anddd I weigh 134 and am 5'6. But I have a very small bone structure, nobody ever takes that into account. I feel like I'm ready for a cycle definitely...but not trt. And I think i want to jump right back on after pct b/c i'm scared my test will never come back to normal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimalGear View Post
    Yeah good point man. Nah, I guess after this lil talk i just wanna try a cycle of test e and see how i respond. And I do eat...a lot. I have my solid diet (ask me to post if you like), but i still struggle to gain on the scale
    That isn't going to change, until you get your diet right. I mean your 130 something pounds, you'll put on ten or so pounds in your cycle. Then you're basil calories will be higher and you'll loose it back. Whatever your diet is, it needs more. I was eating 7 to 8 k cals a day rowing, and it was dirty and a lot of carbs but I wasn't gaining weight cause I burned it off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw View Post
    you against steriods? your willing to do GH but not gear?
    I'm not against steroids .
    But i can't take testosterone with my anxiety problem. I0d have roid rage for sure.
    My heartrate will be even faster...
    Its a no no for me.
    Tea and coffe are even banned for me. Can you imagine me in test? ffff
    I would be literally an animal.

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    voland why don't you cycle aas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimalGear View Post
    Oh yeah, i'm well aware of the risks. I just work so hard and am not seeing the benefits. Anddd I weigh 134 and am 5'6. But I have a very small bone structure, nobody ever takes that into account. I feel like I'm ready for a cycle definitely...but not trt. And I think i want to jump right back on after pct b/c i'm scared my test will never come back to normal?
    your crazy. lol

    i say cycle. but as long as you do a good PCT. your test will come back normal just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voland View Post
    I'm not against steroids .
    But i can't take testosterone with my anxiety problem. I0d have roid rage for sure.
    My heartrate will be even faster...
    Its a no no for me.
    Tea and coffe are even banned for me. Can you imagine me in test? ffff
    I would be literally an animal.
    hmmmm, i'd try 250mg/wk if i were you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos View Post
    That isn't going to change, until you get your diet right. I mean your 130 something pounds, you'll put on ten or so pounds in your cycle. Then you're basil calories will be higher and you'll loose it back. Whatever your diet is, it needs more. I was eating 7 to 8 k cals a day rowing, and it was dirty and a lot of carbs but I wasn't gaining weight cause I burned it off.
    So how many cals are you consuming now?
    Whats you weight and height?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voland View Post
    ok. I'll just jump to the stage of acceptance: Ill be a skinny twig all my life.
    what are your stats dude?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw View Post
    your crazy. lol

    i say cycle. but as long as you do a good PCT. your test will come back normal just fine.
    thanks for the reassurance!

    and i'm starting to date this girl...i doubt theres any way i can keep this from her. She'd notice my sex drive and agression...plus we're both greek so rumors would spread like mad.

    I just hope on pct i don't change too much (attitude, sex)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voland View Post
    I'm not against steroids .
    But i can't take testosterone with my anxiety problem. I0d have roid rage for sure.
    My heartrate will be even faster...
    Its a no no for me.
    Tea and coffe are even banned for me. Can you imagine me in test? ffff
    I would be literally an animal.
    anxiety, smangxiety!!

    do it!! lol

    that blows. i would still attempt a lower dose test only cycle

    my heart rate doesnt get higher on cycle.

    try lik 350 or 400 mg of Test prop. that way if you do seem to get crazy off it, you can stop and in a 2 days its out of your system pretty much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw View Post
    anxiety, smangxiety!!

    do it!! lol

    that blows. i would still attempt a lower dose test only cycle

    my heart rate doesnt get higher on cycle.

    try lik 350 or 400 mg of Test prop. that way if you do seem to get crazy off it, you can stop and in a 2 days its out of your system pretty much.
    good call...try this man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voland View Post
    So how many cals are you consuming now?
    Whats you weight and height?
    6'3'' around 255 today was close to 270 3 weeks ago, I've been cutting down
    I'm not consuming a whole lot right now.
    Maybe 3k cals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos View Post
    what are your stats dude?
    154 lbs 5,7 ft

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    hey, what sort of dose would i take for nolva and clomid in pct? I'm filling the cart on the site now

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimalGear View Post
    thanks for the reassurance!

    and i'm starting to date this girl...i doubt theres any way i can keep this from her. She'd notice my sex drive and agression...plus we're both greek so rumors would spread like mad.

    I just hope on pct i don't change too much (attitude, sex)
    if she notices your sex drive and aggresion. go to GNC and buy some bullshit Tribulous pills. tell her its from that.

    and during PCT i dont change to much. a little more lethargic and not nearly as horny. but i can still fukk everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw View Post
    anxiety, smangxiety!!

    do it!! lol

    that blows. i would still attempt a lower dose test only cycle

    my heart rate doesnt get higher on cycle.

    try lik 350 or 400 mg of Test prop. that way if you do seem to get crazy off it, you can stop and in a 2 days its out of your system pretty much.
    hmmm but that would worsen my acne right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimalGear View Post
    hey, what sort of dose would i take for nolva and clomid in pct? I'm filling the cart on the site now
    40mg nolva for weeks 1-2
    20mg nolva for weeks 3-4


    100 mg clomid for weeks 1-2
    50mg clomid for weeks 3-4

    oh and both are Everyday mg's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voland View Post
    hmmm but that would worsen my acne right?
    not if your clean!!

    buy some Nizoral 2% . it cleans up any acne i get

    plus i barely get any acne on cycle. i think i get it more off cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voland View Post
    154 lbs 5,7 ft
    You're diet is prolly not perfect either or hasn't been in the past.
    But you can cycle despite anxiety, just avoid tren and DHT's for the most part.
    Use a 5ar blocker with your test to keep dht levels lower, to keep your agression down a little more, and zits. I'm wicked chill, I don't even know I'm on and I'm taking a pretty high dose of tren right now.
    Get a doc to script you some xanex, and take one when you get pissy.

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    you could even do 200 a week for 8 weeks just to see how you like it, and you will like it lol a lot

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    personally i wouldn't worry too much about acne

    thanks dukki, i need this reassurance, and thanks for the pct advice

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    350 mg of prop sounds good for you V. If it sucks just lock yourself in a room and it'll fade from you quickly.

    I have anxiety inssues aswell but to be honest they almost completely go away when I'm on cycle, it's when I'm not notice it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimalGear;422***5
    personally i wouldn't worry too much about acne

    thanks dukki, i need this reassurance, and thanks for the pct advice
    don't forget to fix your diet, something is wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos;422***3
    You're diet is prolly not perfect either or hasn't been in the past.
    But you can cycle despite anxiety, just avoid tren and DHT's for the most part.
    Use a 5ar blocker with your test to keep dht levels lower, to keep your agression down a little more, and zits. I'm wicked chill, I don't even know I'm on and I'm taking a pretty high dose of tren right now.
    Get a doc to script you some xanex, and take one when you get pissy.
    whats that?
    I always have my 5mg Lorazepam pills handy. Besides my Fluvox (for depression) and my Tetazepam (to sleep).

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    I will, and i know what i have to do too...its the carbs. I'm seeing great gains in themirror, but not on the scale

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    yeah i use to have anxiety till i kicked its ass about 10 years ago but it started to come back a little during pct but nothing bad, it scared me for a min though

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimalGear View Post
    I will, and i know what i have to do too...its the carbs. I'm seeing great gains in themirror, but not on the scale
    Who cares bout the scale? How much do you weigh now?

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    I'm at 133 now. And don't let that fool you. I'm the lil guy whose packed fat with muscle who everyone looks at. I just have a very small bone strucure...but lots of muscle on that structure

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    what would be the easiest cycle to hide from Lil Bit when i get to New York LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos View Post
    don't forget to fix your diet, something is wrong
    Some things may be off. But I'm not the kind of guy who grows like weed.
    I used to weigh 108 lb when i was 16. And i've always eated like 2 regular persons will.
    Now i have my 6 or 7 meals. All pro-carbs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skully44420 View Post
    what would be the easiest cycle to hide from Lil Bit when i get to New York LOL
    Long esters, less injections less darts.

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