BARRY F'n BONDS!!!

**kynetguy** · 08-08-2007, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by plzr8

i have followed arod closely through the years...any true baseball fan has....and his transformation has been very gradual and his stats have always remained very stable

not saying theres no chance he ever used anything, but i would defintely not be quick to assume he has...not like bonds who never hit 50 hr's but hit 73 out of no where at a time where andro and steroids were extremely rampant in the league

the man is a freak.

The gripe about his stats is they have not decreased with age as is expected and typical of over 40 players.

***Doc.Sust*** · 08-08-2007, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Pooks

ALRITE GREAT...

Only milestone left standing is Ted Williams batting 400 in 41 I think.

LETS GET ON IT! Lets destroy all baseball traditions YAY!

400 is a hard percent to beat! i wonder if it will ever be done?

***Doc.Sust*** · 08-08-2007, 11:35 AM

congrats to bonds, all the steroids in the world cant make the averag joe hit as many homeruns as this guy, sure the aas helped, but it didnt make him the ball player he is today. as far as we know right now, bonds is probably been "clean" since the whole balco fallout, (i am sure the MLB is watching him closely) and he still broke the record.

**Mogamedogz** · 08-08-2007, 12:18 PM

What people forget to mention, is that he was hitting all of these HR's against Pitchers who were all geared up as well!!

Funny nobody ever mentions Roger Clemens.... when it is just as obvious as Bonds.

**Panzerfaust** · 08-08-2007, 12:32 PM

I know being in shape is not required for baseball. I saw a piece of a game the other day (Bonds was playing) and most were chubby. wtf?

**JAYROD** · 08-08-2007, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by longhorn814

Bonds is a hell of a baseball player and athlete. I give him all the credit in the world. Steroids or not, who cares, its still one hell of an accomplishment besides performance enhancing drugs are used in all sports in one way or another. Not to mention he had to put up with the media in his life 24 hours a day for the last 5 years and the man didnt break. He just kept doing what he does best. A-rod will probably break his record unless he gets hurt. But the one MLB record that will never be broken in DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak!!

i agree that dimaggio's record won't be broken and cal ripken jr's consecutive game streak will never be touched either.

**Titleist** · 08-08-2007, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by testisbest

No evidence except his body transformation.

What are you talking about?

Arod didn't just blow up overnight, his transformation was gradual and like plzr said, his stats never went crazy.

Originally Posted by testisbest

and Cansaco says he's used. I don't need evidence and it's just my opinion but I believe he's just as guilty as Bonds.

Canseco would say his own grandmother was a juicehead if it would get him more publicity.

**Logan13** · 08-08-2007, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by JDawg1536

I used to be a huge fan. The game has gone to shit. Steroid controversies, overpaid players, expensive tickets........ Being a baseball fan is like dating an alcoholic cokehead. More drama than Dawson's Creek. No thanks.

All professional sports are like this anymore, it is unfortunate.

**Logan13** · 08-08-2007, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by kynetguy

Steroids would help strength, but with 100 other factors that play into hitting a homerun, the reality is strength is really a smaller part of the equation. The biggest advantage steroids would give is recovery time decrese.

As has been said by many, steroids are not going to improve hand-eye coordination. They are not going to improve proper swing fundementals. They are not going to improve weight transfer. They are not going to do a lot of things.

I hear arguments about increasing bat speed. Yeah, well, maybe some. But strength does not equate to speed. You might get the bat to speed a little faster (better acceleration) but top speed is not going to significantly increase.

If you REALLY want to look at crutches and cheating from Barry, look at his elbow braces. They help enable a more consistant swing and optimal swing path as well as allow his arms to extend to a straight, locked position consistantly. And anyone who knows baseball knows that the fundementals of the swing I just mentioned will hit you more homeruns than a little bigger muscles.

Look at where he hits the ball with his bat. Right in the sweet spot towards then end where the most speed and power is generated. Show me how steroids improve FUNDAMENTALS.

Screw the naysayers. He is the current homerun king. Deal with it. So he is an asshat and arrogant. He is still the best homerun hitter and deserves some respect for that if nothing at all.

Arod and Griffey Jr. have much of the same build. Neither one of them are the embodiement of strength. Even so, they are both longball hitters. There is much more to driving a ball 400' than strength, those who say otherwise have obviously never played the game. Congrats to Bonds, **** the haters.
"Everyone pities the weak, Jealousy you have to earn" -Arnold

**Logan13** · 08-08-2007, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by JAYROD

i agree that dimaggio's record won't be broken and cal ripken jr's consecutive game streak will never be touched either.

Very few in the game(any sport) wish to work this hard anymore, these records are safe.

***Doc.Sust*** · 08-08-2007, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Mogamedogz

What people forget to mention, is that he was hitting all of these HR's against Pitchers who were all geared up as well!!

Funny nobody ever mentions Roger Clemens.... when it is just as obvious as Bonds.

how very true, good point