NA or AA any recovering addicts here?

[gya321]

Im gya321 and Im an addict. Just checking whose willing to identify here. What are your thought on AAS in recovery. My close friends and sponsor know about it. It doesnt get me high or anything like that. So I basically rationalized the sh1t out of it and convinced everyone else it is ok. Thanks for letting me share.

[BG]

I used to have a drinking and drug problem, been 3 years havent had a sip. Thats when I decided to be 100% dedicated to training. Now as far as AS use, it is addicting just like everything else, and if your recovering I dont recommend using them. Just like any other abused drug, you just dont feel as good with out them, so having a addictive personalitly, it very well could become a problem. As far as myself.... in all honesty I would say Im addictted to AS, I seemingly found a way not to come off. I went to my doctor and had bloodwork done and was a candidate for HRT, so in my head I justified staying on. I second guess myself all the time, the thing that makes me think Im not so bad is that Im 100% dedicated to diet, training, no drinking or rec drugs at all and Im going to compete. But all in all, same addict diffferent drug.Just my 100% honest opinion.

[gya321]

I used to have a drinking and drug problem, been 3 years havent had a sip. Thats when I decided to be 100% dedicated to training. Now as far as AS use, it is addicting just like everything else, and if your recovering I dont recommend using them. Just like any other abused drug, you just dont feel as good with out them, so having a addictive personalitly, it very well could become a problem. As far as myself.... in all honesty I would say Im addictted to AS, I seemingly found a way not to come off. I went to my doctor and had bloodwork done and was a candidate for HRT, so in my head I justified staying on. I second guess myself all the time, the thing that makes me think Im not so bad is that Im 100% dedicated to diet, training, no drinking or rec drugs at all and Im going to compete. But all in all, same addict diffferent drug.Just my 100% honest opinion.

Congrats on the not using! I havent used street drugs in over 3 years, but I have 18months clean. Thats pretty much what I do dedicate to training and yeah its great. Your situation sounds real good to me. I would be all stoked.
I sometimes dont know if it feels right doing this, but I dont see it being mind altering like using or mood altering in postive ways. Testosterone has been used for depression to elevate the mood. Ive been on every anti depressant why not go with the test. I have a feeling my levels are low.

[Booz]

please remember the rules of the board here everybody.................

[gya321]

please remember the rules of the board here everybody.................

For sure, We havent spoke of any rec drug use right? I dont want to hear about that either. But how we can change our lives for the better and how AAS fits in

[Booz]

For sure, We havent spoke of any rec drug use right? I dont want to hear about that either. But how we can change our lives for the better and how AAS fits in

no worries mate..............

[gya321]

no worries mate..............

Cool, thanks. We will keep it clean over here.

[dupa95]

I have been I recovey for over 12 years. My sponser said If it is not mind altering it's ok.

[dupa95]

Oh also I never discuss my steroid use with anyone. Just you guys

[BG]

Ive been on every anti depressant why not go with the test. I have a feeling my levels are low.

Thats why I started, I went to the doc and he said I needed test replacement, so I told him Ide run my 1st cycle then go to hrt. Honestly, my life has changed for the better 100%, I just dont know if I did it the right way.....sometimes I still feel "dirty".

[bigboomer]

I have been I recovey for over 12 years. My sponser said IF IT IS NOT MIND ALTERING IT'S OK.

I also agree with this statement. I currently have 1 1/2 clean.

[Pooks]

Thats why I started, I went to the doc and he said I needed test replacement, so I told him Ide run my 1st cycle then go to hrt. Honestly, my life has changed for the better 100%, I just dont know if I did it the right way.....sometimes I still feel "dirty".

Bigguns, a bit off topic, but i hope u don't mind if i pick your brain a bit..
I'm sure u answered this a million times but...

How long have u been on now,, and what about gains?
U just coast between high dosages on a low dosages, or do u keep it constant the whole time, and still make gains.

[wascaptain5214]

guess i am a stick in the mud, but i choose not to drink or drug. i aint never smoked a cigareete before. but to be completly honest, i think i may be abusing my pain meds. dam doctors just want to keep me doped up and not to do surgery.

[perfectbeast2001]

I am an alcoholic and also struggled with various other habits when younger. Bodybuilding saved my soul... Gave me an outlet to channel my energy into. Havent touched booze or anything else for years now

[taiboxa]

bodybuilding made me fat
but othere than peanutbutter i gots no vices..

[dupa95]

guess i am a stick in the mud, but i choose not to drink or drug. i aint never smoked a cigareete before. but to be completly honest, i think i may be abusing my pain meds. dam doctors just want to keep me doped up and not to do surgery.

MMMMM docs are great pill pushers. seeing that they get kick backs from the pharm co.

[BG]

Bigguns, a bit off topic, but i hope u don't mind if i pick your brain a bit..
I'm sure u answered this a million times but...

How long have u been on now,, and what about gains?
U just coast between high dosages on a low dosages, or do u keep it constant the whole time, and still make gains.

You got a pm.

[brajosm]

im in recovery, meaning that i went through the book and did the steps just has the book said and now i continue to look at my part and help other Alcohalics and Addicts. (meaning bring them through the book) i take Anabolics, they dont get u high or drunk bottom line. Are they are for other people in recovery? I have no opinion on that. All i know is I got this thing, i could never say sober before untill i went through the book. If u want to know anything else PM me anytime

[bpm1]

good job too all of you, i give u all props on overcoming ur addictions. i too have struggled with addiction, ive never been nonfunctional but have seen negative effects on my life from drug/alcohol use. ive always been able to quit anything ive ever done but seem to find my way back to it at times (the alcohol anyway, i havnt used anything else in 5+ yrs).i do feel like an addict as ive never been able to put it completely behind me and even though i havnt been "drunk" in yrs. i struggle with a chronic anxiety condition and i find that self medicating is my thing( with the alcohol) like i said i never get drunk i drink to take the edge off 3-4 beers at most. anyway kinda trailing on here but its something that bothers me and i wish i could say it was completely in the past. i dont believe in intoxication i feel very strongly that God intended us to be sober.

[gya321]

I have been I recovey for over 12 years. My sponser said If it is not mind altering it's ok.

Nice! Congrats!

[gya321]

Thats why I started, I went to the doc and he said I needed test replacement, so I told him Ide run my 1st cycle then go to hrt. Honestly, my life has changed for the better 100%, I just dont know if I did it the right way.....sometimes I still feel "dirty".

Thats really good. So you feel better mentally as well?

[gya321]

im in recovery, meaning that i went through the book and did the steps just has the book said and now i continue to look at my part and help other Alcohalics and Addicts. (meaning bring them through the book) i take Anabolics, they dont get u high or drunk bottom line. Are they are for other people in recovery? I have no opinion on that. All i know is I got this thing, i could never say sober before untill i went through the book. If u want to know anything else PM me anytime

Good work, I do all the suggestions of the program including working the steps. Thank Hp I dont have to use today.

Perfectbeast thats really good to hear this is your outlet and have stopped the other things.

[gya321]

good job too all of you, i give u all props on overcoming ur addictions. i too have struggled with addiction, ive never been nonfunctional but have seen negative effects on my life from drug/alcohol use. ive always been able to quit anything ive ever done but seem to find my way back to it at times (the alcohol anyway, i havnt used anything else in 5+ yrs).i do feel like an addict as ive never been able to put it completely behind me and even though i havnt been "drunk" in yrs. i struggle with a chronic anxiety condition and i find that self medicating is my thing( with the alcohol) like i said i never get drunk i drink to take the edge off 3-4 beers at most. anyway kinda trailing on here but its something that bothers me and i wish i could say it was completely in the past. i dont believe in intoxication i feel very strongly that God intended us to be sober.

I have some major anxiety issues as well. Have you seen a doctor about them?

[bpm1]

I have some major anxiety issues as well. Have you seen a doctor about them?

yea bro, did all the meds ( and i mean all of them,lol) found out the meds have a whole boat load of issues that come with them and im med free now for bout 3-4 yrs.i struggle but i find im better off without the mind altering meds. just a personal choice, unfortunatley my med of choice is a guiness or sam adams,lol.im cutting now so none of that for a while anywy

[BG]

Thats really good. So you feel better mentally as well?

Yes, I do.

[nbkandrew13]

yeah been sober @5 years went in and out of rehabs for years i thought people with drug problems were homeless and had nothing. not me i went to work ed i might not sleep for 6 months but i made big money, till on my last bender i came home after being warned by the wife 100 s of times to a 300k house with nothing but a big screen and 1 bed left she even took my pitbull. fuk her i said then 3 weeks later after not sleeping for months i pulled my s2000 conv to the left lane of 285 in atlanta turned the lights off took my shoes off and went and laid down on the shoulder ???????????????? only after a cop almost hit my car well he knew i was something didnt know what well as i sat there for hours while he decided what to do with me i started to remember i had a 1/2 Read the board rules. Not rec drug posts in the trunk and a glock 9mm under the seat... i sat in jail for a couple of days. thinking im gonna get 10 to 12 years but when i posted bond 2500 i realized they never looked i flushed the stuff tossed the gun went and saw a psychologist who told me the reason i liked the drug i liked was my severe add and that when i would first start to use my thoughts would slow down now after being up for awhile that went away........ but he put me on adderrall and welbutrin and i havent used since now it wasnt just that it was a combo of ALOT of things i changed. wife and are have never been better expecting our 2 daughter in oct and there have been times i thought about using again usually when times get tough but each time i dont i get a little stronger.. thks

[Geeezer]

Yes recovering 21 yrs now

[BigLittleTim]

Congradulations to all members here who are in recovery from drug and alcohol addiction, no matter at what point on the road you find yourself. The longest journey begins with the first small step. Most human beings do not have the will to loose a few pounds, let alone overcome the incredible power drugs and booze can exert over the human mind. You should all be regarded as true heroes.

-BigLittleTim

[Information]

Read the board rules. If we see another rec drug post we will close the thread.

[ecto9]

Congrats to all in recovery. I've got over 4yrs no alcohol or anything else recreational. Bodybuilding has been a great big part of my program. The last 1-1/5yrs been tobacco free, and that was the hardest of all to kick!

Some of you bros. have some cool sponsors I must say! Yeah it's debatable saying roids are not mind altering.
The thought also crossed my mind about test as an anti-depressant. I'd like to try it out sometime. I'm med free right now, but at times it's rough.

[gya321]

yea bro, did all the meds ( and i mean all of them,lol) found out the meds have a whole boat load of issues that come with them and im med free now for bout 3-4 yrs.i struggle but i find im better off without the mind altering meds. just a personal choice, unfortunatley my med of choice is a guiness or sam adams,lol.im cutting now so none of that for a while anywy

I see, well good luck to you.

[gya321]

Congrats on all the clean time people! JFT

[Titan 3]

Congratz, guys!! Some great stories of overcoming obstacles!

[Bojangles69]

I don't know what I am. I was severely addicted for about 4 years. Was court appointed to NA a year before I was sentenced, the 1 1/2 years I was locked up, and even now I'm still appointed (parole mandated) to make meetings every week. I somehow convinced my PO I don't need to make meetings and he just types in the computer every time I report to say I'm still making meetings to appease his supervisor.
I relapsed about a 1 1/2 years ago (been on parole for 2 1/2 years got 6 months left) I'm not gonna lie I still party. Sometimes more than I should. But I stay away from certain things I didn't stay away from in the past. Whether or not I'm a true addict I suppose only time will tell.
NA is a great thing & I'd be dead if it wasn't for it, but people sometimes internalize beliefs in NA that might not be true for them, like "once an addict always an addict". The simple act of BELIEVING that would create a self fulfilling prophecy and a non-addict to behave like an addict, and eventually BECOME one even if they weren't meant to be one.
There are many other limiting beliefs NA teaches that elusively can and do backfire on members, I'm not going to turn this into a debate because NA did get me back on my feet. I just think I can walk alone now.
Like I said.. time will tell.

[customworksking]

yeah been sober @5 years went in and out of rehabs for years i thought people with drug problems were homeless and had nothing. not me i went to work ed i might not sleep for 6 months but i made big money, till on my last bender i came home after being warned by the wife 100 s of times to a 300k house with nothing but a big screen and 1 bed left she even took my pitbull. fuk her i said then 3 weeks later after not sleeping for months i pulled my s2000 conv to the left lane of 285 in atlanta turned the lights off took my shoes off and went and laid down on the shoulder ???????????????? only after a cop almost hit my car well he knew i was something didnt know what well as i sat there for hours while he decided what to do with me i started to remember i had a 1/2 Read the board rules. Not rec drug posts in the trunk and a glock 9mm under the seat... i sat in jail for a couple of days. thinking im gonna get 10 to 12 years but when i posted bond 2500 i realized they never looked i flushed the stuff tossed the gun went and saw a psychologist who told me the reason i liked the drug i liked was my severe add and that when i would first start to use my thoughts would slow down now after being up for awhile that went away........ but he put me on adderrall and welbutrin and i havent used since now it wasnt just that it was a combo of ALOT of things i changed. wife and are have never been better expecting our 2 daughter in oct and there have been times i thought about using again usually when times get tough but each time i dont i get a little stronger.. thks

wow man U had a hard time......good luck and stay strong..

[customworksking]

I don't know what I am. I was severely addicted for about 4 years. Was court appointed to NA a year before I was sentenced, the 1 1/2 years I was locked up, and even now I'm still appointed (parole mandated) to make meetings every week. I somehow convinced my PO I don't need to make meetings and he just types in the computer every time I report to say I'm still making meetings to appease his supervisor.
I relapsed about a 1 1/2 years ago (been on parole for 2 1/2 years got 6 months left) I'm not gonna lie I still party. Sometimes more than I should. But I stay away from certain things I didn't stay away from in the past. Whether or not I'm a true addict I suppose only time will tell.
NA is a great thing & I'd be dead if it wasn't for it, but people sometimes internalize beliefs in NA that might not be true for them, like "once an addict always an addict". The simple act of BELIEVING that would create a self fulfilling prophecy and a non-addict to behave like an addict, and eventually BECOME one even if they weren't meant to be one.
There are many other limiting beliefs NA teaches that elusively can and do backfire on members, I'm not going to turn this into a debate because NA did get me back on my feet. I just think I can walk alone now.
Like I said.. time will tell.

I had my up's and downs..what works for me is the ppl around me keep good ppl and u will b fine..IMO good luck

[39+1]

MMMMM docs are great pill pushers. seeing that they get kick backs from the pharm co.

Thats complete BS no kick backs from the pharm companies there are laws to prevent it. Apoogize for getting pissed off but yo need to get you facts right and nobody.... ah forget it

[BWhitaker]

I would say that while steroids dont get you high, they can truly affect your psychology. While it may not be as dangerous and so on as many of the substances talked about here, it still has the ability to be abused. One with a tendency to become addicted will have a higher probability of developing habits consistant with steroid abuse and so on.

Now, if you can use them safely and responsibly I do not think that it will have an adverse effect on your recovery due to the fact that it lacks any high associated with it; however, I do believe that you would be more suseptible to abuse so keep an eye on your behavior

[nbkandrew13]

Thats complete BS no kick backs from the pharm companies there are laws to prevent it. Apoogize for getting pissed off but yo need to get you facts right and nobody.... ah forget it

yes they do, 100% get kickbacks maybe not cash but trips cars, rolexs there are laws against it.... but no one inforces them , what you didnt know there was a reason drs write certain scripts.... lol your naive to think they dont i have knowledge if your a dr and dont get them your stupid...............

[gya321]

I don't know what I am. I was severely addicted for about 4 years. Was court appointed to NA a year before I was sentenced, the 1 1/2 years I was locked up, and even now I'm still appointed (parole mandated) to make meetings every week. I somehow convinced my PO I don't need to make meetings and he just types in the computer every time I report to say I'm still making meetings to appease his supervisor.
I relapsed about a 1 1/2 years ago (been on parole for 2 1/2 years got 6 months left) I'm not gonna lie I still party. Sometimes more than I should. But I stay away from certain things I didn't stay away from in the past. Whether or not I'm a true addict I suppose only time will tell.
NA is a great thing & I'd be dead if it wasn't for it, but people sometimes internalize beliefs in NA that might not be true for them, like "once an addict always an addict". The simple act of BELIEVING that would create a self fulfilling prophecy and a non-addict to behave like an addict, and eventually BECOME one even if they weren't meant to be one.
There are many other limiting beliefs NA teaches that elusively can and do backfire on members, I'm not going to turn this into a debate because NA did get me back on my feet. I just think I can walk alone now.
Like I said.. time will tell.

All I know is I would be dead without NA period. I hope it all works for you! For me its real important, drugs arent the problem. They were the solution for a while. I used them to cover the problem. Therefore just not using is not enough. All the issues are still there. Thats why for me NA and more is neccessary.