Ron Paul will run as an Independent(video)?

[3bd]

I see what Logan is saying, but as mentioned in another thread, he does have a lot of support from Dem's that have lost faith in their party too, and a lot of those were unable to change their party affiliation to vote for Ron Paul in the primary.
Some dems I've spoken to like him a lot, but they wouldn't change their party over to vote for him because they hate the Neo-cons so bad that they felt the equivalent of contracting cooties by registering republican, which is a dumb reason.
Anyways, if he did 3rd party, I wouldn't necessarily think he would hand it to Hillary, or Barack (I have no idea which one is gonna make it this time) since he'd pull in lots of Dem's too (Damn I'd love to see Hillary have to debate Ron Paul, LOL!).

Logan nailed it. That is exactly what is going to happen. I was a die-hard supporter of Ross Perot and totally into the "movement" like the supporters of Paul are today. Then we all got burnt. The similarities are so erie I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they are both part of the Clinton campaign stratedgy.

The Republicans don't have much of a chance at all this time around. Hillary will squeak by and win the primaries and obtain the Democratic nomination. Obama will become her running mate. Ron Paul will further weaken all other positions and... viola... President Billary Part II!!!!!!!

So remember... when you vote for Ron Paul you're really voting for Hillary.

(I think I'll save this thread so I can show all the "movement" people the post as a reminder after all is said and done this November.)

[bigt10]

This is where you are wrong, unfortunately they DO know about the problems that are rotting us to the core. They simply do not give a flying **** about anyone but themselves. They have accepted the New World Order and the plan of the Elite.

I am telling you now, wait and see...they will start pushing the Amero soon as an excuse because of the decline of the dollar.

It is all set in stone, they only need to slowly inject it into the minds of the populace via the #1 brainwashing tool of the 21st century - TV/Media.

Ya i know what your talking about.

Your probally right to they will push this amero cause of a bad american dollar.

then the next thing will be their pushing rfid chips for "security"

So muriloninja i agree that the other probally do know and they dont care. That being said paul clearly knows and he seems to be the only one with the solutions to our biggest issues as i said starting from the head of the beast and then killing the rest of the problems.

[convalescence69]

I was thinking similar, Bigt10, that the Dems are supposed to win. Dem's are typically much softer on immigration and minorities "rights", so you will see Amnesty for illegals under a Dem, then since we gave amnesty to 15 million+ illegals, might as well open the border and embrace the amero. Disaster...

[scriptfactory]

No disrespect, it is just what the facts are in my neck of the woods. But can you honestly tell me that you and some friends have not talked about the 2008 presidential campaign in terms of race, at all?

Logan, some of your comments are borderline offensive.

I would like to know if you have actually heard many (e.g. more than one or two) black people in your area say they are voting for Obama only because he is black. I have a strong feeling that you are just making it up based upon your views of black Americans.

[Carlos_E]

Logan, some of your comments are borderline offensive.

I would like to know if you have actually heard many (e.g. more than one or two) black people in your area say they are voting for Obama only because he is black. I have a strong feeling that you are just making it up based upon your views of black Americans.

Based on his comments I'd be shocked if he personally knows more than 2 Black Americans.

[Kärnfysikern]

That is a good point. It amazes me how the masses wet themselves over empty emotional speech.

This quote comes to mind....

All propaganda must be popular and its intellectual level must be adjusted to the most limited intelligence among those it is addressed to.

It might not be very pc to quote Hitler but that murderous bastard sure knew how to play people like a fine tuned violing. The problem with society is that 50% of the population by definition has a IQ less than 100. You dont win the "stupid vote" by elaborate explanations on complex issues like economy ect. You win it by simple emotionaly charged but empty rhetoric.

For every genious that cast a well considered vote there is a unimaginably stupid **** that cancel that vote by voting by his gut.

[SMCengineer]

You win it by simple emotionaly charged but empty rhetoric.

For every genious that cast a well considered vote there is a unimaginably stupid **** that cancel that vote by voting by his gut.

A Giulliani quote comes to mind "You wanna know how the war's gonna end. Here it is: we win, they loose." (crowd cheers)

Luckily, he most likely won't win because of his lame strategy.

[meathead320]

Ron Paul's strategy has never been to win the Republican nomination this year.

It was to use the Republican candidate spotlight, to get the Libertarian party on the map. For Presidency in future elections, as well as other offices.

By taking part as a “republican candidate” he gets his views out there for people to see, and gains notoriety.

Then, the second step is to run as an independent libertarian.

Because a lot of people now will vote for him, he has the potential to gain enough of the popular vote to get the Libertarian party federal funding to campaign in the next elections.

After that, there will always be enough popular vote to keep them in the races, even if they do not get elected, they still become a bigger player from then on.

That will allow more of their ideas to be adopted by either major party, and to take effect. Even allow for more libertarians to gain political ground.

That is the real strategy.

[meathead320]

One example is his stance on the WAR ON DRUGS. He would like to see drugs be re-legalized, and allowed to be sold in a manner that alcohol is today. We have all the problems with all illegal drugs currently as we had during alcohol prohibition, except worse. Look up information on LEAP for example to see the amount of crime the WOD causes, in the name of “protecting people from themselves”- because that it not freedom if you think about it..

BTW, if Obama Really cares about the Black communities in the USA, he would want that to end as well, as it has hurt Blacks worse than any other group. There is currently a higher% of Black Americans (I do not hyphenate with African, as 99% are born in the USA) who have been convicted of crimes, and imprisoned that during the Jim Crowe era.

That is the sad truth behind our failed war on drugs. It effects those with less economic ground than others, and has resulted in a non-stop plague of violence and gangs, as well as an ongoing cycle, for generations, of a crime culture, that has a strong distrust and disrespect of Law enforcement as well. This is the result of a failed policy, started by Nixon, to “protect people from themselves”.

That is just one example of a change that the Libertarians would like to see.

Now I am not saying that Obama would continue the WOD, he may even want to end it as well, but is not talking about it right now, as the majority of citizens are still brainwashed into thinking it is a good thing, and that would hurt his campaign.

Likely however, it is Hilary who will get the D nomination. She would be the worst choice to end the WOD, and I would be willing to bet that the heat for all drugs, as well as AAS will be on ever stronger with her in the oval office. The Democrat histroy is full of policy desinged to "protect people from themselves", or other such socialist agendas.

This will only result in more of the same problems the USA is in right now, and even worse (or no better) for the Black communities in the USA.

[Logan13]

Logan nailed it. That is exactly what is going to happen. I was a die-hard supporter of Ross Perot and totally into the "movement" like the supporters of Paul are today. Then we all got burnt. The similarities are so erie I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they are both part of the Clinton campaign stratedgy.

The Republicans don't have much of a chance at all this time around. Hillary will squeak by and win the primaries and obtain the Democratic nomination. Obama will become her running mate. Ron Paul will further weaken all other positions and... viola... President Billary Part II!!!!!!!

So remember... when you vote for Ron Paul you're really voting for Hillary.

(I think I'll save this thread so I can show all the "movement" people the post as a reminder after all is said and done this November.)

exactly!

[Logan13]

Logan, some of your comments are borderline offensive.

I would like to know if you have actually heard many (e.g. more than one or two) black people in your area say they are voting for Obama only because he is black. I have a strong feeling that you are just making it up based upon your views of black Americans.

what view is that?

[Logan13]

Based on his comments I'd be shocked if he personally knows more than 2 Black Americans.

One of my best "black" friends is in Rikers, right now. I do not see the need to convince you of anything more. I know who I am, and you must know who you are. But again, anytime criticism is cast in the direction of a "person of color", the race card comes out. This is usually a front for a lack of ability to debunk one's statement. Knowing this to be true, name calling just doesn't phase me anymore..........

[Logan13]

This quote comes to mind....



It might not be very pc to quote Hitler but that murderous bastard sure knew how to play people like a fine tuned violing. The problem with society is that 50% of the population by definition has a IQ less than 100. You dont win the "stupid vote" by elaborate explanations on complex issues like economy ect. You win it by simple emotionaly charged but empty rhetoric.

For every genious that cast a well considered vote there is a unimaginably stupid **** that cancel that vote by voting by his gut.

Very intelligent post Johan!

[Carlos_E]

One of my best "black" friends is in Rikers, right now. I do not see the need to convince you of anything more. I know who I am, and you must know who you are. But again, anytime criticism is cast in the direction of a "person of color", the race card comes out. This is usually a front for a lack of ability to debunk one's statement. Knowing this to be true, name calling just doesn't phase me anymore..........

Race card? You were the one to pull the race card. Again you said:

Just remember, voting for someone because of race is just as racist as not voting for someone because of race........

You brought his race into the conversation.

[alphaman]

This has to be one of the dumbest comments I've seen you post.

Government hand out? I'm looking for a hand out? I probably make more money than you.

I'm voting for him because of race? Where did I say this? You're making an assumption. I thought you were more intelligent than this. ASSUMING someone Black is voting for someone because of race is racist. I actually supported Clinton. After following the campaign I do not support her platform. Also, she depends way to much on her husband. She's running for office, not him. Her being White or Obama being Black is irrelevant. You on the other hand think Black people are a separate species from you. And have the nerve to try and point out racism where there is none.

Would you mind sharing why you think Obama would make the best President? No disrespect, just wanna hear what one of his supporters thinks he has to offer.

[thegodfather]

Would you mind sharing why you think Obama would make the best President? No disrespect, just wanna hear what one of his supporters thinks he has to offer.

+1, I'm interested to know the reasons why anyone of sound mind and judgement would vote for a Democrat?................

[bigt10]

Would you mind sharing why you think Obama would make the best President? No disrespect, just wanna hear what one of his supporters thinks he has to offer.

Ya what are these other candidates offering that causes people to vote for them?

most of these candidates seem to get all the voters that are stupid, all they talk about is dumb little issues. I guess Ron Paul is the only one who just tells the truth and talks about the PROBLEMS and major issues we have.

Lol i love watching the other candidates, i dont pay any attention outside of paul but today i saw some McCain guy or it was guliania not sure but its hilarious. They just rowl up this stupid crowd. like haha i think he was talkin about the war on iraq and he yells out 1 or 2 sentences and waits for the crowd to cheer.

They sound like the captain of a football team trying to rowl their teams up before the game.

As some other guy said here.

""In america smart people are the minority.

In a democracy the majority win.

You figure it out""

[scriptfactory]

what view is that?

I'm not trying to make any accusations! I just think you are influenced by your views of black Americans. I don't know what those views are.

What about your friend in Rikers? Who is he voting for? j/k

[Logan13]

What about your friend in Rikers? Who is he voting for? j/k

Cute. I don't think that he has ever voted.

[alphaman]

+1, I'm interested to know the reasons why anyone of sound mind and judgement would vote for a Democrat?................

Looks like he's thinking long and hard about his response. lol I hope we get one...

[Logan13]

Looks like he's thinking long and hard about his response. lol I hope we get one...

I think that he is going through Obama's website in order to figure out what he stands for so that he can answer your question.........

[Carlos_E]

Would you mind sharing why you think Obama would make the best President? No disrespect, just wanna hear what one of his supporters thinks he has to offer.

+1, I'm interested to know the reasons why anyone of sound mind and judgement would vote for a Democrat?................

I'll shoot you a PM on the grounds that you do not forward or share my response with anyone else. It's really no ones business. Since Logan wants to be a smart ass, he can miss my response.

[Carlos_E]

I think that he is going through Obama's website in order to figure out what he stands for so that he can answer your question.........

I went through Obama and Clinton's web sites weeks ago. I also have watched every single debate, both republican and democrats. Can you say the same?

[RuhlFreak55]

How anyone can vote for candidates that never speak of the serious issues affecting this country is beyond me???

I will vote for Ron Paul or none of them, the rest are scumbags that probably cannot even tell you anything about the Constitution let alone defend it.

AMEN......no way in hell will i vote for anyone but Ron Paul.....Romney and McCain are democrats anyway so if we don't get Paul we get a democrat regardless so then who gives a shit anyway.....even if he doesn't get nominated i'm gonna go and write his name in on principle though

[RuhlFreak55]

I went through Obama and Clinton's web sites weeks ago. I also have watched every single debate, both republican and democrats. Can you say the same?

Then you Know Ron Paul assrapes ALL the other republicans on every issue in every debate right?

[Carlos_E]

Then you Know Ron Paul assrapes ALL the other republicans on every issue in every debate right?

They don't give Ron Paul as many questions as the other candidates and when he answers they all look at him like he's nuts. Out of the Republicans, Ron Paul is the only one who impressed me. The rest are full of it, especially Romney. But Ron Paul will not be the republican candidate.

[Logan13]

I went through Obama and Clinton's web sites weeks ago. I also have watched every single debate, both republican and democrats. Can you say the same?

No...It's obvious from my posts that I'm un-informed..........

[Logan13]

I'll shoot you a PM on the grounds that you do not forward or share my response with anyone else. It's really no ones business. Since Logan wants to be a smart ass, he can miss my response.

I think that you are just afraid that I will find the fault in your logic.
I was no more of a "smart ass" than the other two were, I think everyone caught this fact other than you. Regardless, I will not loose any sleep carlos.

[convalescence69]

I feel the love in this thread

[convalescence69]

and oh yeah, Ron Paul kicks everyones ass!

[Rotary]

Then you Know Ron Paul assrapes ALL the other republicans on every issue in every debate right?

By the way you talk, this Ron Paul character sounds like has the nomination wrapped up.

How's he doing in the polls ?

[convalescence69]

crappy. but yeah, watch on youtube the debate excerpts, judge for yourself.

[Kärnfysikern]

Very intelligent post Johan!

Well thank you good sir Its not often that we agree.

[convalescence69]

By the way you talk, this Ron Paul character sounds like has the nomination wrapped up.

How's he doing in the polls ?

He's easily the smartest and sincerest guy on the stage. Follows the constitution like it's his own personal bible and his voting record reflects this, totally spotless.
The media ignores him, and for good reason. They'd stand to lose a lot of money, as would corrupt businessmen and government, if he got his way.

[Rotary]

crappy. but yeah, watch on youtube the debate excerpts, judge for yourself.

H.R. 1885 was a extension of a mini amnesty bill that happened quite a few times. Ron Paul votes yes for Amnesty.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2001-127

[Carlos_E]

I think that you are just afraid that I will find the fault in your logic.

Afraid of a man who thinks we're separate species. RRRRRRRight!

I was no more of a "smart ass" than the other two were, I think everyone caught this fact other than you.

Would you mind sharing why you think Obama would make the best President? No disrespect, just wanna hear what one of his supporters thinks he has to offer.

I don't see alphaman being disrespectful while you on the other hand:

I think that he is going through Obama's website in order to figure out what he stands for

You're not being a smart ass. You're just being yourself.

[convalescence69]

H.R. 1885 was a extension of a mini amnesty bill that happened quite a few times. Ron Paul votes yes for Amnesty.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2001-127

nah nah, no way, not slippin that one by me, I checked it, it says:

This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books.
Last Action: Mar 13, 2002: Message on House action received in Senate and at desk: House amendments to Senate amendment.

Other Titles: -- Enhanced Border Security and Visa Entry Reform Act of 2002
-- Immigration Extension bill
-- United States Border Security bill

Nothing on there about amnesty, says Border security, and LEGAL immigration extension and visa reform.

[Rotary]

Maybe that syte forgot to add pro-drugs.

Hmm, so abolishing the IRS, which anyone can tell you, will NEVER happen. He says a lot of things he knows people 'want' to hear. His reasoning is, if we get out of all Mideast countries the terrorists will have no reason to come after us, which I think he is gravely mistaken in that aspect as well.

Otherwyse, some of this ideals sound good to many, but he likes to make himself sound like the 'unique' candidate for those who feel fed up by emphasizing the Constitution, as if he is the only one who understands it. Not to mention the fact he is a Libertarian whose only reason he switched to the Republican Party, was because he knew he could not win under the party he actually belongs in. And that to me, is not honest and shows no integrity. Even some of his supporters who were Independent ONLY registered as Pubs was to vote for him, so that to me, also speaks of some of his supporters' integrity. And what's ironic, 'honesty and integrity' is what some of his supporters say they like about him. That's how much they 'know' about integrity apparently.

I could never in good conscience, support any man who would be supportive to drug legalization, without the concern of the damage that would cause others.

What we need to do is get rid of the culture that says, if it feels good-do it! At the same time stop teaching our kids that the world revolves around them. Sealing our borders would be a big help as well. Those things would go a long way toward solving the drug problem.

[Rotary]

Out of the Republicans, Ron Paul is the only one who impressed me.

The fact that he accepted a donation from a white supremacist and didn't send it immediately back, telling the thug to stick it where the sun don't shine. Instead we got "We're going to keep the money and use it for freedom" nonsense.

That doesn't bother you?

[Kärnfysikern]

I could never in good conscience, support any man who would be supportive to drug legalization, without the concern of the damage that would cause others.

Why should anyone be able to tell anyone else what they can and can not do with their own body?

Fast food does alot of damage to society, more than drugs. Do you think its a good idea to make it illegal?