how many people have a problem with diversification?

[kfrost06]

hey guys,

I was having a conversation with a female friend of mine, shes from cali and im from Canada. And well i can't exactly speak for the USA, but Canada has be classified as a multicultural country. She seems to think that a country shouldnt change their ways and accommodate foreigners, for example when u go on to bestbuy.com there shouldn't be a spanish site there. Or when u call a government place and they say press 1 for english press 2 "insert language here" press 3 etc etc. Or such things as foreigners should leave their culture behind from where they came from. So, say a foreigner from country X keep beards in that country as a cultural thing, should shave it off(assuming majority of people in the new country are shaved).

Canada is 90+% White, 3% Asian, 2% Black.

USA is 74% White, 12% Black, 4.4% Asian, 1% American Indian, 6% other race, and 2% multi-race (Each of the above categories includes people who identify their ethnicity as Hispanic or Latino.)

The question is what do you call multicultural? You need to stop watching those liberal networks and look at the real world.

[spywizard]

Not really, just a typical response from an ignorant person who can not discuss the topic at hand. It is no surp;rise, they have been brainwashed to immediately call "racism" anytime an immigration issue arises.

no, i use the term in an attempt to get people to see a man.. not a white man, or a black man, or a mexican

the media is so quick to call someone racist if they do not agree with the media's definition of something or someone, thus i applied that in this situation..

[Prada]

Canada is 90+% White, 3% Asian, 2% Black.

USA is 74% White, 12% Black, 4.4% Asian, 1% American Indian, 6% other race, and 2% multi-race (Each of the above categories includes people who identify their ethnicity as Hispanic or Latino.)

The question is what do you call multicultural? You need to stop watching those liberal networks and look at the real world.

A trip in downtown Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal will show you just how cosmopolitan it is.

[kfrost06]

A trip to downtown anywhere USA will show you what multi-cultural really is.

[kfrost06]

Montreal is 78% white

New York City is 37% white, 28% black, 27% hispanic, 10% asian.

So, again let me ask you, what is your definition of multi-cultural? and why is Cannda concerned with our multi-culturalism when they are one of the least multi-cultural nations in the world and the USA is the most multi-cultural. Stop watching the liberal media and look at the real world. Soon you will convince yourself that you have decent healthcare up there and not really dying while waiting for a chance to see a doctor.

[rockinred]

2000 US Census

US - 281,421,906

White - 216,930,975
Black - 36,419,434
Hispanic -35,305,818 can be a combination of 2 or more races.
Asian - 11,898,828
Am/indian- 4,119,309
hawain/paci -874,474
other - 18,521,486

in 2005 the hispanic population was at 42.7 million which for the first time past the black as the second largest population in the u.s.

New York Times Almanac.

[gixxerboy1]

Maybe in Texas but not true here out east. I live in Brooklyn and there are plenty of places I hear people speaking Russian an other European languages. I've asked for directions and they did not speak English.

As you know i goto a lot of russian places in brooklyn. At first most people in stores or resturaunts have adressed me in Russian. But once i have spoken egnlish i havent had a person not be able to speak it back.

[Prada]

Yes so those stats you posted would not be precise for Vancouver, Montreal and Toronto. Metropolitans For Canada at least those are the three main cities, of course Port Moody, Red Deer, AB. Trois-Riviere, QC...its a different story.

[Hoggage_54]

I didn't realize all white people came from the same country and had the same cultural background

[kfrost06]

I didn't realize all white people came from the same country and had the same cultural background

So now we have multi-cultural defined by a Canadian. Thats all I was trying to get to, so in Canada diversity means different kinds of white people and in the USA it means different kinds of people. Perhaps now we can find out why Canada is worried about the USA's multi-cultural atmosphere, that is a lack of different kinds of white people.

[Hoggage_54]

So now we have multi-cultural defined by a Canadian. Thats all I was trying to get to, so in Canada diversity means different kinds of white people and in the USA it means different kinds of people. Perhaps now we can find out why Canada is worried about the USA's multi-cultural atmosphere, that is a lack of different kinds of white people.

Actually thats not what I said. I find it insulting that you assumed since many Canadians have the same skin colour that we are all the same. That's a pretty ignorant comment. Do a little statistical research and you will find that Canada is one of the most diverse nations in the world.

[kfrost06]

Actually thats not what I said. I find it insulting that you assumed since many Canadians have the same skin colour that we are all the same. That's a pretty ignorant comment. Do a little statistical research and you will find that Canada is one of the most diverse nations in the world.

Here is what you said

I didn't realize all white people came from the same country and had the same cultural background.

Nobody misquoted you.

I did do some research and Canada is 90+% White, 3% Asian, 2% Black. I fail to see how that makes you the most diverse nation in the world nor do I see that as a good background for Canada to complain about the multi-cultralism of the US. I was baffled why a Canadian would come on here to make such a statement but now that I know how you guys(see your post) define multi-culturalism then I understood. Canadians hate the USA and will use anything they can to show their contempt.

[Hoggage_54]

Here is what you said Nobody misquoted you.

I did do some research and Canada is 90+% White, 3% Asian, 2% Black. I fail to see how that makes you the most diverse nation in the world nor do I see that as a good background for Canada to complain about the multi-cultralism of the US. I was baffled why a Canadian would come on here to make such a statement but now that I know how you guys(see your post) define multi-culturalism then I understood. Canadians hate the USA and will use anything they can to show their contempt.

Not all white people are culturally the same. Just because 90% of us have the same skin colour, does not mean we are all a part of the same culture. Culture is more than the colour of your skin. A white person in Britain may not have the same cultural background as a white person in France, for example.

[Prada]

Canadians hate the USA and will use anything they can to show their contempt.

What research did you read to formulate this conclusion?

[kfrost06]

What research did you read to formulate this conclusion?

The history of the Stanley cup.

[Hoggage_54]

The history of the Stanley cup.

Here's the numbers to show Canada's diversity:

http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepu...XIE2003001.pdf

[rockinred]

Not all white people are culturally the same. Just because 90% of us have the same skin colour, does not mean we are all a part of the same culture. Culture is more than the colour of your skin. A white person in Britain may not have the same cultural background as a white person in France, for example.

I am jumping in the middle of this, but if you go off a different lifestyle and neighborhood etc... no one can really link to any race for that matter.... really the definition of white, black, asian, etc... is widely used across the world... there are some controversial brackets that some races fall under. think of it this way... do you say an asian is only chinese? or do you count japan, thailand, etc..

[Prada]

The history of the Stanley cup.

Well the stanley cup was won mostly by Canadian captains, none European I believe. So yes the NHL would have to be pro-Canadian, anti-Amercain and thus considered racist.

[Hoggage_54]

I am jumping in the middle of this, but if you go off a different lifestyle and neighborhood etc... no one can really link to any race for that matter.... really the definition of white, black, asian, etc... is widely used across the world... there are some controversial brackets that some races fall under. think of it this way... do you say an asian is only chinese? or do you count japan, thailand, etc..

If someone used the term Asian in statistics in Canada, it refers to people from east or southeast Asia.

[Hoggage_54]

You can't just say since 10%, for example, are Asian in one country is more diverse than a country with 5% Asian population. The first country could be 9.9% Chinese, and .1% could be from Vietnam. The other country with a 5% Asian population could be 1% Chinese, 1% Vietnamese, 1% Japanese, 1% Korean and 1% Indonesian. You tell me which one is more diverse.

There's more to diversity than just White, Black, Asian, other.

[rockinred]

were splitting hairs here.... where does it stop from there? regions of china? tongue dialects? regions of vietnam? the census bureau is looking for the universally accepted groups that walk the earth... I agree with what you are saying too, but to me, statistics of this nature are just for fun anyways...

[football2007]

Sure someone said this in this long ass thread but..

We are in America. I expect you to speak english.

If I went to another country, I know it is expected of me to speak the language of that country. Im not gonna walk in and be pissed everyone is speaking a different language. You are in their country, speak their language.

I get pretty pissed when a mexican tells me at work, "No hablo engles"

You know what? I don't speak spanish and im not even gonna attempt to talk to you..u are in America, speak english.

[bruteman]

hey guys,

I was having a conversation with a female friend of mine, shes from cali and im from Canada. And well i can't exactly speak for the USA, but Canada has be classified as a multicultural country. She seems to think that a country shouldnt change their ways and accommodate foreigners, for example when u go on to bestbuy.com there shouldn't be a spanish site there. Or when u call a government place and they say press 1 for english press 2 "insert language here" press 3 etc etc. Or such things as foreigners should leave their culture behind from where they came from. So, say a foreigner from country X keep beards in that country as a cultural thing, should shave it off(assuming majority of people in the new country are shaved).

So i gave her a two newspaper headlines (newspaper is owned by a white person(s))

First one reads:
"45 y/o african american male caught selling drugs to minors"

Second one read:
"Male caught selling drugs to minors"

Now in the second newspaper headline the guy caught was white. Do u see the newspaper made it an extra effort to tell us that the guy caught in the first headline was black. My friend went on to say that theres nothing wrong with those headlines or they shouldn't be offensive to anyone.

Im just looking for other peoples opinions on this stuff.

That's just a double standard on white people. I am in no way racist or against black people, but I cannot stand having to cater to other people and watch every word I say in fear of offending someone.

People use race as a way of describing people for all other things. When you say black people are athletic then it is perfectly fine. You don't hear no one saying you must only call them a good athlete. But, if you mention their race in connection with something bad Al and Jesse jump right on it. The truth is it is just a natural way of describing someone.

If I am asked about a situation, I am going to give as much information as possible. I am not going to say so and so was selling drugs. I will say it was a black male. Or, if it is a white person, then I will say it is a white, female, etc. I give everybody an equal chance.

But, trying to say white people make an extra effort to throw race in is ridiculous. It is just a normal thing to do in describing someone. You can't help, but notice their race. Just like you're also gonna mention their sex or their age or height or whatever else.

The only racist thing is this whole hoopla society has created. Affirmative action and all that. That's what is truly racist. I mean if you wanted to be truly equal and say I am not going to use race as any factor whatsoever, then the question shouldn't even be brought up in college admissions or job employment. Now, when white people are the minority in a few years, what will happen then? Are we going to change it and make it affirmative action for white people? Well, like I just said even though this would obviously benefit me since I'm white, I would still be completely against it, because if you want to be truly equal you shouldn't consider race at all in your decision.

And I am also very libertarian, and for this matter I believe local governments should have self control of their own communities. I am completely against federal government. I think everyone should be able to live how they want. I live in a very multicultural area and I like it like that. But, if another place doesn't want multiculturalism, they should not be forced to adopt it. That is just wrong.

[Princes_Gate]

Don't get me started!

Stop and think about it, when you go to Japan do they cater to you and your language? No! What about Germany? No! France? No! Russia? No! Vietnam? No! Iraq? No!

Shall I continue?

I should stop there, everyone should know what I think about this pandering to foreignors in this ****ing country, i'm ****ing sick of it.

Are you serious? France and Germany and most of europe pander to foreigners far more than the US does

[Princes_Gate]

Maybe in Texas but not true here out east. I live in Brooklyn and there are plenty of places I hear people speaking Russian an other European languages. I've asked for directions and they did not speak English.

Russian isn't a european language

edit - i see someone already pointed that out

[green22]

Diversity is a fact of life in America these days. The problem is people fear anything/anyone who is different than themselves. Treat everyone the way you would want to be treated and we will all be ok.