Is/has the war in Iraq been a pointless war?

**Panzerfaust** · 03-11-2008, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by pumpd4lif

AMEN! I would spend every dime i have to make that possible

Then I can expect to see you there at the march, you know Ron Paul supporters are planning one right?

**Panzerfaust** · 03-11-2008, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by C_Bino

Sorry but not true. Canada did NOT sign an agreement to join the currecny man. Sorry but I live in Canada and that did not happen.

They have created a unified ID system so our drivers license's are for North America not just Canada or the US. But no monetary agreement.

Only the beginning stages of the planned NAU. Remember, little by little this is done.

The national ID card goes into affect May 2008 here in the states.

Like I said, little by little is how you get things done. And it is working flawlessly.

I mean, why do we "need" a "Unified ID" system? I'm an American and you are a Canadian??? So what excuse are they giving you up there for this?

**cslade305** · 03-11-2008, 07:14 PM

The only thing I see as positive coming from the war was the end of Sadam's reign. That being said the negative reprocussions from the loss of life, the billions squandered, the lack of stability in the region and the world's negative view of the US, to name a few, certainly outweight any positives in my opinion. Whether or not that makes the war pointless, I don't know. As they say hind sight is 20/20. The main question now in my opinion is not whether it is pointless, but what is our responsibility to the Iraqi people since we started the whole mess? And does our responsibility to them trump our governments responsibility to taking care of our own people. What is the tipping point?

**pumpd4lif** · 03-11-2008, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

Then I can expect to see you there at the march, you know Ron Paul supporters are planning one right?

i will do a bit more research and find the info

**pumpd4lif** · 03-11-2008, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

Only the beginning stages of the planned NAU. Remember, little by little this is done.

The national ID card goes into affect May 2008 here in the states.

Like I said, little by little is how you get things done. And it is working flawlessly.

I mean, why do we "need" a "Unified ID" system? I'm an American and you are a Canadian??? So what excuse are they giving you up there for this?

ya just do some research on ur soon to be new currency the AMERO! already in the works .But the us will have to crush our economy a little bit more to make it easier to implement it.All the canididates want the same thing except ron paul.They are all working towards a one world government.And u can find this info in many places not just a supposed propaganda video look around

**pumpd4lif** · 03-11-2008, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by C_Bino

Sorry but not true. Canada did NOT sign an agreement to join the currecny man. Sorry but I live in Canada and that did not happen.

They have created a unified ID system so our drivers license's are for North America not just Canada or the US. But no monetary agreement.

Bro u should read into it a bit further the only thing stopping them at this point is being able to build the highway from mexico to canada once that happens that is going to be their final step and most people dont know about it..the opening of the borders or the highway!They are already trying to prep people to invest into the amero thats y they are trying to crush the american currency to implament a currency that is worth more and that will be shared by the NEW NORTH AMERICAN UNION!!! Not bs my friend it is finally starting to come out on the free speech radio channels and what not.

**C_Bino** · 03-11-2008, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by pumpd4lif

Bro u should read into it a bit further the only thing stopping them at this point is being able to build the highway from mexico to canada once that happens that is going to be their final step and most people dont know about it..the opening of the borders or the highway!They are already trying to prep people to invest into the amero thats y they are trying to crush the american currency to implament a currency that is worth more and that will be shared by the NEW NORTH AMERICAN UNION!!! Not bs my friend it is finally starting to come out on the free speech radio channels and what not.

I never said it was BS at all that it will happen. I have no doubts it will. It was actually a Canadian who first proposed the idea for a united currency back in 1999, so Im not sitting here thinking this is something that wont happen and the US is forcing.

I just said that we didnt officially SIGN something like you said to finalize this unified currency. I am as sure as you that it will happen. But its not quite at that stage yet.

**Voice of Reason** · 03-11-2008, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by pumpd4lif

i will do a bit more research and find the info

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c13jdIOqj9c

http://www.nolanchart.com/article2673.html

**Dangercat00** · 03-11-2008, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

That is the United States problem how? There are 190 countries in the world, nearly half of them are under some form of dictatorship or totalitarian regime. Is it our job to spend thousands of troops lives and trillions of dollars to make those countries "better now than it was then..."? I would say absolutely NOT. Also, your point of Iraq being better now than it was then is completely wrong. The country is far more unstable than it was under Saddam Hussein. He brought a GREAT deal of stability to the country, and kept the opposing tribes under control. There are 1,000,000 dead Iraqi civilians who would most likely disagree with your assertion that their country is better now than it was then, mostly because we killed them. We made what Saddam did to the Kurds look like a birthday party in comparison to what we did in the country and the amount of bloodshed we are respionsible for.

It is not America's job to be the policemen of the world. It is also not our job to spread Democracy (representative, Republican form of Democracy) by FORCE. We should do as the founders instructed and LEAD BY EXAMPLE. And if America's actions and policies are to be the example of a healthy Democracy over the passed 7 years, I'm moving to 1920 Stalinist Russia.

I will simply make a list of reasons why this war was completely pointless, and I'll ask that the true Patriots on this forum refute them with valid evidence, or at least some intelligent thought.

1) No WMDs found, blatent lies from the Executive branch regarding this, most noteably Bush and Cheney.

2) No ties to Al-Qaeda or Osama Bin-Laden both pre and post invasion.

3) Iraq was NEVER a threat to the United States national security, the only reason under the Constitution that we may goto war with another country.

4) People of Iraq have said repeatedly they want an Islamic ruled government, NOT a Democracy.

I dont even need to go any further, in fact I'd just like to see someone post a list of reasons why this war was WORTH IT, that are in line with the Constitution and can be backed up with documented evidence.

I didn't say it was our problem and I certainly don't need a list of things that are wrong with the situation. If it was up to me, it never would have happened. But when I am saying is that since the decision was made, there have been at least some improvements to the quality of life of Iraqi people, most notably women. I'm not arguing with you here, I'm just throwing it out there that the whole deal hasn't been a total failure.

**Voice of Reason** · 03-12-2008, 12:04 AM

I welcome change, most fear it, but a one world government doesn't sound bad. As we are all brothers and sisters on this planet unfortunately half of you are gonna half to go for this to happen.

**IronReload04** · 03-12-2008, 12:11 AM

one world government? The bible talks about a one world government emerging in the "end of days"

scary stuff right there. If you ask me, religious, or superstitious, one world currency is just not a good idea

**Amorphic** · 03-12-2008, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by IronReload04

one world government? The bible talks about a one world government emerging in the "end of days"

scary stuff right there. If you ask me, religious, or superstitious, one world currency is just not a good idea

its a terrifying thing to think about.

**pumpd4lif** · 03-12-2008, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c13jdIOqj9c

http://www.nolanchart.com/article2673.html

tx for the easy info...me an my wife are starting to make plans to join the supporters now.I want to make sure we have a place to sleep when we get there

**thegodfather** · 03-12-2008, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Dangercat00

I didn't say it was our problem and I certainly don't need a list of things that are wrong with the situation. If it was up to me, it never would have happened. But when I am saying is that since the decision was made, there have been at least some improvements to the quality of life of Iraqi people, most notably women. I'm not arguing with you here, I'm just throwing it out there that the whole deal hasn't been a total failure.

That may be somewhat true for Iraq ONLY. However, since our invasion of Afghanistan, the quality of life for women is MUCH MUCH WORSE, than previously. Look that one up for yourself...

**pumpd4lif** · 03-12-2008, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

I see pumpd4lif has watched www.zeitgeistmovie.com, speaks the truth. You know funny thing I noticed when I went to Thailand last year at the all the airports the ticket person said i don't need the ticket they just scanned my passport and new I was good to go from the chip placed in it. I Had know clue it was in there till I saw that movie.

Deep shit. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...fellergoal.htm

rest assure i have been researching this since the 1st propaganda vids hit the net after 9-11.zeitgetstthe movie just brings more facts to the table then all the other movies.

**pumpd4lif** · 03-12-2008, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Hollywood080

OH! You're one of those guys.......

? Explain what is the meaning of one of those people.Cause i sure see there are alot of ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE if matching opinions means anything.

**Panzerfaust** · 03-12-2008, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

I welcome change, most fear it, but a one world government doesn't sound bad. As we are all brothers and sisters on this planet unfortunately half of you are gonna half to go for this to happen.

Bwahahahaha!

Translation:

"I don't mind being a serf. At least I could live a structured life with someone telling me how to hink and how to feel. It's not too bad".

I so hope you were being sarcastic, if not you are one of the most ignorant ****s I have ever met in my life.

**goose** · 03-12-2008, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

Bwahahahaha!

Translation:

"I don't mind being a serf. At least I could live a structured life with someone telling me how to hink and how to feel. It's not too bad".

I so hope you were being sarcastic, if not you are one of the most ignorant ****s I have ever met in my life.

**Voice of Reason** · 03-12-2008, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

Bwahahahaha!

Translation:

"I don't mind being a serf. At least I could live a structured life with someone telling me how to hink and how to feel. It's not too bad".

I so hope you were being sarcastic, if not you are one of the most ignorant ****s I have ever met in my life.

What you don't want to live like a Psychlos? You will have to go as well...

**Second2None** · 03-12-2008, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by pumpd4lif

Bro u should read into it a bit further the only thing stopping them at this point is being able to build the highway from mexico to canada once that happens that is going to be their final step and most people dont know about it..the opening of the borders or the highway!They are already trying to prep people to invest into the amero thats y they are trying to crush the american currency to implament a currency that is worth more and that will be shared by the NEW NORTH AMERICAN UNION!!! Not bs my friend it is finally starting to come out on the free speech radio channels and what not.

sounds like some folk tale to me, do you believe everything you read