Who are you voting for?

[RANA]

Being a prisoner of war tends to make people mentally unstable.

Come on, your kidding right? That is like saying being gay tends to make you mentally unstable!

[FallenWyvern]

I just want to ask Obama if he personally thinks OJ is guilty.

Any other answer than a simple yes would be reason not to vote for him.

I really didn't care until I saw the reverends press conference in its entirety.

Carlos tell us if you think OJ is guilty.

[Carlos_E]

Carlos tell us if you think OJ is guilty.

That is the dumbest question and how is it relevant? Tell me how it is relevant and I'll give you my answer.

[davidb]

I hear this alot about McCain being a sequel to Bush buts its completely untrue... the guy needs no defending. The truth is the decision is out of our hands no matter race or religion ....like Spy said "the elector college will determine who is the next president..."

[Carlos_E]

Being a prisoner of war tends to make people mentally unstable.

Come on, your kidding right? That is like saying being gay tends to make you mentally unstable!

Bush' campaign said it during the 2000 campaign. Not me. It's one of your republican talking points.

[FallenWyvern]

Come on every person knows why it is relevant.


It's relevant because some people thing R. Kelly is innocent.

It's relevant because some people think OJ is innocent.

It's relevant because some people think that cops who killed Sean Bell should die.


The demographic divide on these issues is decisively split by race. Clearly some people make decisions based on emotions or some childhood background that I don't understand. Just don't want that in a president.

[Carlos_E]

Come on every person knows why it is relevant.


It's relevant because some people thing R. Kelly is innocent.

It's relevant because some people think OJ is innocent.

It's relevant because some people think that cops who killed Sean Bell should die.


The demographic divide on these issues is decisively split by race. Clearly some people make decisions based on emotions or some childhood background that I don't understand. Just don't want that in a president.

It's not relevant and your question insinuates that all Black people think alike as if we have a giant mind meld.

Of course OJ was guilty! You know it and I know it. The reason why some African Americans were happy was because usually, it's rich White people who get off for committing crimes. Finally someone Black got the same treatment.

[FallenWyvern]

It's not relevant and your question insinuates that all Black people think alike as if we have a giant mind meld.

Of course OJ was guilty! You know it and I know it. The reason why some African Americans were happy was because usually, it's rich White people who get off for committing crimes. Finally someone Black got the same treatment.

Not all black people just 70%.


You cool with me in my book. I am leaning Obama anyways. Just want to be sure that he isn't in the 70% mind meld.

[Carlos_E]

Not all black people just 70%.

Bullshit. So if you think all Black people think alike? I guess all White people think alike as well? Or are only Whites free thinkers.

[Gators]

I'm not here to try and change your opinion. I was trying to answer a few of your questions. But again, do some research. Read through his web site and everything is there. His voting record and so on.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

Oh i realize that. I've read his web site, seen his voting record, seen the people he pals around with, and heard his slickly designed speeches. Believe me, i'm pretty up to speed on the candidates and their positions.

You mentioned about McCain cheating on his wife, i guess it's a big deal when a Pub does it, but no big deal when Slick Willie did it huh?

The last Dem president did a good job, but was a moderate, Obama is no where nearly as moderate as Willie. McCain is a moderate.

Oh, and that was awful big of you to make light of McCains POW experience, i can talk about the issues w/ out smearing them, maybe you oughta give that a try?

[FallenWyvern]

Bullshit. So if you think all Black people think alike? I guess all White people think alike as well? Or are only Whites free thinkers.

How many black people do you personally know that voting for Hillary? I won't even ask if you know any that are voting for McCain.

Why are 89% of black people democrats?

Individuals are free thinkers. But as a group people are very predictable, white or black.

Even Dave Chappelle knows this. http://video.aol.com/video-detail/ch...ion/3857170498

[Carlos_E]

You mentioned about McCain cheating on his wife, i guess it's a big deal when a Pub does it, but no big deal when Slick Willie did it huh?

I don't like Bill Clinton either so I don't get your point. No, it was not OK when he did it.

[Carlos_E]

How many black people do you personally know that voting for Hillary? I won't even ask if you know any that are voting for McCain.

I know plenty who voted for HIllary. My barber, for one. A few people at work. As the campaign continued and the Clintons started race baiting they wish they could take their vote back. I know Black republicans. A number of people I work with are Republicans. They have their opinion on issues, I have mine.

Why are 89% of black people democrats?

I can't speak for everyone but I'll give my opinion. For one, republicans do not campaign for our votes. Also Blacks tend to vote agianst the party that represents racism. For example Republican's views on affirmative action and other issues. Republicans give the impression that they don't believe racism still exists. Denying that it still exists will not get our votes.

Even Dave Chappelle knows this. http://video.aol.com/video-detail/ch...ion/3857170498

David Chappell is a comedian and does not speak for all Black people. He uses stereotypes and satire for comedy. Take it for what it is. Not as a statement from Black America.

[Carlos_E]

Oh, and that was awful big of you to make light of McCains POW experience, i can talk about the issues w/ out smearing them, maybe you oughta give that a try?

Again his own party said it. Blame Bush' campaign. It was said during the 2,000 Election.

[thegodfather]

Look at needle exchange; and expand treatment. (Feb 2008)
Fight to rid our communities of meth. (Feb 2008)
Expand drug courts; help prisoners with substance abuse. (Feb 2008)
2001: questions harsh penalties for drug dealing. (Oct 2007)
Not first candidate to use drugs, but first honest about it. (Oct 2007)
Do not lower drinking age from 21 to 18. (Sep 2007)
So its ok for people to die for the country, but not to drink?


Experimented with cocaine but turned down heroin. (Aug 2007)
A "secret smoker", especially around reporters. (Aug 2007)
Smokes cigarettes now; smoked some pot in high school. (Feb 2007)
Admitted marijuana use in high school & college. (Jan 2007)
Deal with street-level drug dealing as minimum-wage affair. (Oct 2006)
Understand why youngsters want to use drugs. (Aug 1996)
Require chemical resellers to certify against meth use. (Sep 2007)


Evolution & science aren't incompatible with Christian faith. (Apr 2008)
Supports charter schools; it's important to experiment. (Feb 2008)
Children's First Agenda: zero to five early education. (Feb 2008)
$4,000 college tuition for 100 hours' public service a year. (Feb 2008)
Put billions of dollars into early childhood education. (Jan 2008)
Billions of whos dollars? Answer: OURS!


Need after-school and summer programs with good parenting. (Jan 2008)
Get parents re-engaged in educating the children. (Dec 2007)
We need a sense of urgency about improving education system. (Sep 2007)
Nationwide program to reconstruct crumbling school buildings. (Sep 2007)
Federal mandates contradict the Constitution, this should be handled at the state&local level!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


STEP UP: summer learning opportunities for disadvantaged. (Aug 2007)
We left the money behind for No Child Left Behind. (Aug 2007)
Pay "master teachers" extra, but with buy-in from teachers. (Aug 2007)
Sends kids to private school; but wants good schools for all. (Jul 2007)
Supreme Court was wrong on school anti-integration ruling. (Jul 2007)
Incentives to hire a million teachers over next decade. (Jun 2007)
Pay teachers more money & treat them like professionals. (Jun 2007)
Public school system status quo is indefensible. (Oct 2006)
More teacher pay in exchange for more teacher accountability. (Oct 2006)
Guarantee affordable life-long, top-notch education. (Jun 2006)
NO PROVISION IN CONSTITUTION for life long federally mandated education!

Provide decent funding and get rid of anti-intellectualism. (Jul 2004)
Address the growing achievement gap between students. (May 2004)
Will add 25,000 teachers in high-need areas. (May 2004)
Supports charter schools and private investment in schools. (Jul 1998)
Free public college for any student with B-average. (Jul 1998)
PAID FOR BY THE TAX PAYERS! Buying the "young/student vote" is what I would call that one. You should not expect the tax payers to subsidize YOUR education!

First Senate bill: increase Pell Grant from $4,050 to $5,100. (Aug 2007)
Sponsored legislations that recruit and reward good teachers. (Sep 2004)
Voted YES on $52M for "21st century community learning centers". (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (Mar 2005)

Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
How can someone talk about respecting the 2nd amendment and then allowing local government to disrespect it, in the same sentence? Completely contradictory, what a load of shit!

Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
This is an infringement of the 2nd Amendment, this amendment does not deliniate or specify the number/amount of guns a person can purchase and in what time period. Perhaps he thinks we should start allowing people to voice one OPINION a month, and put limits on the 1st Amendment. They are no different.

Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
But not OK for law abiding citizens that want to protect themselves right? We call this criminal enabling!
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
I can tell he really respects the 2nd Amendment. Lip service to the 2nd Amendment and then says he wants to ban semi-automatics. That would be a major blow to American freedom!
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Gun manufactures should no more be sued than a food manufacturer because you choke on their hotdog and die. Guns do not kill people, people kill people.


HEALTHCARE
No need to mandate coverage; just let people afford it. (Jul 2007)
Voted NO on means-testing to determine Medicare Part D premium. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D. (Feb 2006)
Voted YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug. (Mar 2005)
Increase funding for AIDS treatment & prevention. (Jan 2001)
More funding for Rx benefits, community health, CHIPs. (Jan 2001)
Improve services for people with autism & their families. (Apr 2007)


HOMELAND SECURITY
Support veterans via the Dignity for Wounded Warriors Act. (Aug 2007)
Voted NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad. (Aug 2007)
Voted YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months. (Jul 2007)
Voted YES on implementing the 9/11 Commission report. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
The Patriot Act is one of the biggest blows to our Constitutional rights that ever existed. This reaffirms my belief that Obama has no regard for the Constitution, and if this is what he does in the Senate we can expect this compounded when he is in the White House.

Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)
Voted YES on restricting business with entities linked to terrorism. (Jul 2005)
Voted YES on restoring $565M for states' and ports' first responders. (Mar 2005)
Sponsored bill for Iraq budget to be part of defense budget. (Jun 2006)
Restore habeas corpus for detainees in the War on Terror. (Jun 2007)


IMMIGRATION
Extend welfare and Medicaid to immigrants. (Jul 1998)
So he wants people who dont contribute to our system to take from it. Excellent, he's definately got my vote now!
Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities". (Mar 2008)
More covering expenses for people who have BROKEN INTO OUR COUNTRY!
Voted YES on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007)
Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006)
Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)
I cant believe they would even need to vote on this. These people are CRIMINALS! They need to be arrested and DEPORTED ON THE SPOT!
Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006)
Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006)


JOBS
Owes unions who endorsed him; that's why he's in politics. (Oct 2006)
Working full-time should mean enough to support a family. (Oct 2006)
Overrode federal overtime rules and raised the minimum wage. (Sep 2004)
Make sure that African-American men have access to jobs. (Jul 2004)
Fund Trade Adjustment Assistance for service workers too. (Jun 2004)
Increase IL minimum wage to $6.50 an hour. (Jun 2004)
Tax cuts for the rich do not create jobs. (May 2004)
Obama will strengthen unions and workers' rights. (May 2004)
Voted NO on terminating legal challenges to English-only job rules. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Feb 2007)
Voted YES on raising the minimum wage to $7.25 rather than $6.25. (Mar 2005)
Sponsored bill allowing an Air Traffic Controller's Union. (Jan 2006)
Match minimum wage increases to Congressional pay raises. (May 2006)

Supports unions who rob taxpayers and put costs through the roof!

TAXES
Last thing we need now is a permanent tax cut. (Jan 2008)
Voted YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million. (Mar 2008) So we should penalize people for success? The same people who most likely create jobs.
Voted NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M. (Feb 2008)
Voted NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006)
Voted NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`. (Jun 2006)
Typical Democrat, raise taxes, take money from the well to do, and give it to people who dont want to work. Continue to subsidize lazyness. When you subsidize something, your get MORE OF IT! Voted YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. (Nov 2005)
Rated 100% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation. (Dec 2006)The Income tax is illegal, and it is used to pay the interest to the Federal Reserve, a privately owned illegal central bank. I do not see him talking about this issue, perhaps because he does not care and the fiat money system allows him to finance his pet projects and to continuely increase the size of government.

WAR&PEACE
Voted to fund war until 2006; now wants no blank check. (Nov 2007)
Voted to fund an illegal war, propagated on LIES, and to a country who had absolutely no ties to terrorism, and who posed 0 risk to the national security of the United States of America. Late to vote against war is not late to oppose war. (Jun 2007)
Spending on the Cold War relics should be for the veterans. (Jun 2007)
Would have voted no to authorize the President to go to war. (Jul 2004)
Voted YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007. (Jun 2006)


WELLFARE

Cut poverty in half in 10 years, with faith-based help. (Apr 2008)
Create 20 Promise Neighborhoods in high-poverty cities. (Feb 2008)
1980s: Director of the Developing Communities Project. (Oct 2007)
Stop Fraud Act: full disclosure in subprime lending. (Sep 2007)
Is that really necessary? If people are stupid enough to know they cannot afford a fu*king house on their salary, they deserve to have it forclosed. The government does not need to be your nanny because you bought something you should have known you could not afford in the first place.
Engages people of faith on all aspects of his public service. (Aug 2007)
Saw dire poverty as a child in Indonesia. (Aug 2007)
1985: Launched project to give voice to disempowered. (Aug 2007)
Ownership Society is another term for "Social Darwinism". (Aug 2007)
Community organizer on Chicago's South Side. (Feb 2007)
Black churches minister to social needs out of necessity. (Oct 2006)
Welfare receipts know how to become successful but need help. (Jul 2004)
They need help? We already pay for their food,housing(HUD),and give them an allowance for their children. What else should we do to help them? Perhaps I should work a 2nd job for them, and they can recieve the paycheck. Maybe every citizen should be required to go over to the homes that our tax dollars pay for, and vaccume their rugs or wash their dishes. We all know most of them spend the money to buy crack anyway...

$100M increase in IL Earned Income Tax Credit. (Jun 2004)
Inner city problems are the painful truths. (Aug 1996)
Exorcise the ghostly figure that haunts black dreams. (Aug 1996)
Develop a strategy to eliminate extreme global poverty. (Dec 2007)




My comments are in RED&BOLD!

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Until they start using the popular vote that counts, its all bs.

electoral college takes the cake.

Bush and Gore, prime ****ing example.


But honestly, who wants Bush for a 3rd term? Im not saying im 100% Obama, but how anyone would want Bush on a 3rd term is way beyond me. We have gone nowhere but down ever since he stepped foot in office. period.

and chill with the racist crap. This whole, well obama will get all the black votes, blah blah blah. Hell Im white, but this shit flies both ways. i.e. a white friend of mine wants hilary, and if she doesnt get the democratic election, they are going to vote Mccain, just cuz obama is not white. ...so quit the racist crap, and you know who u r.

anywho, to lighten the mood

[FallenWyvern]

I can't speak for everyone but I'll give my opinion. For one, republicans do not campaign for our votes. Also Blacks tend to vote agianst the party that represents racism. For example Republican's views on affirmative action and other issues. Republicans give the impression that they don't believe racism still exists. Denying that it still exists will not get our votes.

Interesting, what are your comments on Condoleezza Rice and Colon Powell?

Pretty bold move for a party that represents racism.

Perhaps the impression that your getting that they don't believe racism still exists is just them moving on beyond racism, rather than exasperating and letting it drag on forever.

After all blacks account for only 12 percent of the U.S. population, 44 percent of all prisoners in the United States are black, yet the complete opposite is true of Asians. How can you explain that a black man is sixteen times more likely to be in jail than an Asian? Those stats would suggest the racist system was perpetrated by Asians, right?

I am open to civil debate. My best man in my wedding is black and I have these discussions with him too. I am just being the devil's advocate.

[RANA]

I can't speak for everyone but I'll give my opinion. For one, republicans do not campaign for our votes. Also Blacks tend to vote agianst the party that represents racism. For example Republican's views on affirmative action and other issues. Republicans give the impression that they don't believe racism still exists. Denying that it still exists will not get our votes.

How do Republicans represent racism?

[Carlos_E]

Look at needle exchange; and expand treatment. (Feb 2008)
Fight to rid our communities of meth. (Feb 2008)
Expand drug courts; help prisoners with substance abuse. (Feb 2008)
2001: questions harsh penalties for drug dealing. (Oct 2007)
Not first candidate to use drugs, but first honest about it. (Oct 2007)
Do not lower drinking age from 21 to 18. (Sep 2007)
So its ok for people to die for the country, but not to drink?


Experimented with cocaine but turned down heroin. (Aug 2007)
A "secret smoker", especially around reporters. (Aug 2007)
Smokes cigarettes now; smoked some pot in high school. (Feb 2007)
Admitted marijuana use in high school & college. (Jan 2007)
Deal with street-level drug dealing as minimum-wage affair. (Oct 2006)
Understand why youngsters want to use drugs. (Aug 1996)
Require chemical resellers to certify against meth use. (Sep 2007)


Evolution & science aren't incompatible with Christian faith. (Apr 2008)
Supports charter schools; it's important to experiment. (Feb 2008)
Children's First Agenda: zero to five early education. (Feb 2008)
$4,000 college tuition for 100 hours' public service a year. (Feb 2008)
Put billions of dollars into early childhood education. (Jan 2008)
Billions of whos dollars? Answer: OURS!


Need after-school and summer programs with good parenting. (Jan 2008)
Get parents re-engaged in educating the children. (Dec 2007)
We need a sense of urgency about improving education system. (Sep 2007)
Nationwide program to reconstruct crumbling school buildings. (Sep 2007)
Federal mandates contradict the Constitution, this should be handled at the state&local level!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


STEP UP: summer learning opportunities for disadvantaged. (Aug 2007)
We left the money behind for No Child Left Behind. (Aug 2007)
Pay "master teachers" extra, but with buy-in from teachers. (Aug 2007)
Sends kids to private school; but wants good schools for all. (Jul 2007)
Supreme Court was wrong on school anti-integration ruling. (Jul 2007)
Incentives to hire a million teachers over next decade. (Jun 2007)
Pay teachers more money & treat them like professionals. (Jun 2007)
Public school system status quo is indefensible. (Oct 2006)
More teacher pay in exchange for more teacher accountability. (Oct 2006)
Guarantee affordable life-long, top-notch education. (Jun 2006)
NO PROVISION IN CONSTITUTION for life long federally mandated education!

Provide decent funding and get rid of anti-intellectualism. (Jul 2004)
Address the growing achievement gap between students. (May 2004)
Will add 25,000 teachers in high-need areas. (May 2004)
Supports charter schools and private investment in schools. (Jul 1998)
Free public college for any student with B-average. (Jul 1998)
PAID FOR BY THE TAX PAYERS! Buying the "young/student vote" is what I would call that one. You should not expect the tax payers to subsidize YOUR education!

First Senate bill: increase Pell Grant from $4,050 to $5,100. (Aug 2007)
Sponsored legislations that recruit and reward good teachers. (Sep 2004)
Voted YES on $52M for "21st century community learning centers". (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (Mar 2005)

Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
How can someone talk about respecting the 2nd amendment and then allowing local government to disrespect it, in the same sentence? Completely contradictory, what a load of shit!

Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
This is an infringement of the 2nd Amendment, this amendment does not deliniate or specify the number/amount of guns a person can purchase and in what time period. Perhaps he thinks we should start allowing people to voice one OPINION a month, and put limits on the 1st Amendment. They are no different.

Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
But not OK for law abiding citizens that want to protect themselves right? We call this criminal enabling!
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
I can tell he really respects the 2nd Amendment. Lip service to the 2nd Amendment and then says he wants to ban semi-automatics. That would be a major blow to American freedom!
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Gun manufactures should no more be sued than a food manufacturer because you choke on their hotdog and die. Guns do not kill people, people kill people.


HEALTHCARE
No need to mandate coverage; just let people afford it. (Jul 2007)
Voted NO on means-testing to determine Medicare Part D premium. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D. (Feb 2006)
Voted YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug. (Mar 2005)
Increase funding for AIDS treatment & prevention. (Jan 2001)
More funding for Rx benefits, community health, CHIPs. (Jan 2001)
Improve services for people with autism & their families. (Apr 2007)


HOMELAND SECURITY
Support veterans via the Dignity for Wounded Warriors Act. (Aug 2007)
Voted NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad. (Aug 2007)
Voted YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months. (Jul 2007)
Voted YES on implementing the 9/11 Commission report. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
The Patriot Act is one of the biggest blows to our Constitutional rights that ever existed. This reaffirms my belief that Obama has no regard for the Constitution, and if this is what he does in the Senate we can expect this compounded when he is in the White House.

Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)
Voted YES on restricting business with entities linked to terrorism. (Jul 2005)
Voted YES on restoring $565M for states' and ports' first responders. (Mar 2005)
Sponsored bill for Iraq budget to be part of defense budget. (Jun 2006)
Restore habeas corpus for detainees in the War on Terror. (Jun 2007)


IMMIGRATION
Extend welfare and Medicaid to immigrants. (Jul 1998)
So he wants people who dont contribute to our system to take from it. Excellent, he's definately got my vote now!
Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities". (Mar 2008)
More covering expenses for people who have BROKEN INTO OUR COUNTRY!
Voted YES on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007)
Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006)
Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)
I cant believe they would even need to vote on this. These people are CRIMINALS! They need to be arrested and DEPORTED ON THE SPOT!
Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006)
Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006)


JOBS
Owes unions who endorsed him; that's why he's in politics. (Oct 2006)
Working full-time should mean enough to support a family. (Oct 2006)
Overrode federal overtime rules and raised the minimum wage. (Sep 2004)
Make sure that African-American men have access to jobs. (Jul 2004)
Fund Trade Adjustment Assistance for service workers too. (Jun 2004)
Increase IL minimum wage to $6.50 an hour. (Jun 2004)
Tax cuts for the rich do not create jobs. (May 2004)
Obama will strengthen unions and workers' rights. (May 2004)
Voted NO on terminating legal challenges to English-only job rules. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Feb 2007)
Voted YES on raising the minimum wage to $7.25 rather than $6.25. (Mar 2005)
Sponsored bill allowing an Air Traffic Controller's Union. (Jan 2006)
Match minimum wage increases to Congressional pay raises. (May 2006)

Supports unions who rob taxpayers and put costs through the roof!

TAXES
Last thing we need now is a permanent tax cut. (Jan 2008)
Voted YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million. (Mar 2008) So we should penalize people for success? The same people who most likely create jobs.
Voted NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M. (Feb 2008)
Voted NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006)
Voted NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`. (Jun 2006)
Typical Democrat, raise taxes, take money from the well to do, and give it to people who dont want to work. Continue to subsidize lazyness. When you subsidize something, your get MORE OF IT! Voted YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. (Nov 2005)
Rated 100% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation. (Dec 2006)The Income tax is illegal, and it is used to pay the interest to the Federal Reserve, a privately owned illegal central bank. I do not see him talking about this issue, perhaps because he does not care and the fiat money system allows him to finance his pet projects and to continuely increase the size of government.

WAR&PEACE
Voted to fund war until 2006; now wants no blank check. (Nov 2007)
Voted to fund an illegal war, propagated on LIES, and to a country who had absolutely no ties to terrorism, and who posed 0 risk to the national security of the United States of America. Late to vote against war is not late to oppose war. (Jun 2007)
Spending on the Cold War relics should be for the veterans. (Jun 2007)
Would have voted no to authorize the President to go to war. (Jul 2004)
Voted YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007. (Jun 2006)


WELLFARE

Cut poverty in half in 10 years, with faith-based help. (Apr 2008)
Create 20 Promise Neighborhoods in high-poverty cities. (Feb 2008)
1980s: Director of the Developing Communities Project. (Oct 2007)
Stop Fraud Act: full disclosure in subprime lending. (Sep 2007)
Is that really necessary? If people are stupid enough to know they cannot afford a fu*king house on their salary, they deserve to have it forclosed. The government does not need to be your nanny because you bought something you should have known you could not afford in the first place.
Engages people of faith on all aspects of his public service. (Aug 2007)
Saw dire poverty as a child in Indonesia. (Aug 2007)
1985: Launched project to give voice to disempowered. (Aug 2007)
Ownership Society is another term for "Social Darwinism". (Aug 2007)
Community organizer on Chicago's South Side. (Feb 2007)
Black churches minister to social needs out of necessity. (Oct 2006)
Welfare receipts know how to become successful but need help. (Jul 2004)
They need help? We already pay for their food,housing(HUD),and give them an allowance for their children. What else should we do to help them? Perhaps I should work a 2nd job for them, and they can recieve the paycheck. Maybe every citizen should be required to go over to the homes that our tax dollars pay for, and vaccume their rugs or wash their dishes. We all know most of them spend the money to buy crack anyway...

$100M increase in IL Earned Income Tax Credit. (Jun 2004)
Inner city problems are the painful truths. (Aug 1996)
Exorcise the ghostly figure that haunts black dreams. (Aug 1996)
Develop a strategy to eliminate extreme global poverty. (Dec 2007)




My comments are in RED&BOLD!

OK, So lets see you take a stab at McCain. Or are you only singling out Obama.

[Carlos_E]

Until they start using the popular vote that counts, its all bs.

electoral college takes the cake.

Bush and Gore, prime ****ing example.


But honestly, who wants Bush for a 3rd term? Im not saying im 100% Obama, but how anyone would want Bush on a 3rd term is way beyond me. We have gone nowhere but down ever since he stepped foot in office. period.

and chill with the racist crap. This whole, well obama will get all the black votes, blah blah blah. Hell Im white, but this shit flies both ways. i.e. a white friend of mine wants hilary, and if she doesnt get the democratic election, they are going to vote Mccain, just cuz obama is not white. ...so quit the racist crap, and you know who u r.

Indeed

[Carlos_E]

I hope all of the Ron Paul supporters write in his name!!!! Vote Ron Paul '08!!!

[Carlos_E]

anywho, to lighten the mood

"Saturday Night Live's" Message From Hillary Clinton: "I Have No Ethical Standards"

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Li...tml?mea=250052

[thegodfather]

We were discussing Obama....If someone wants me to pick apart McCains voting record ill be happy to do so as well... I dislike all 3 current candidates equally..

[thegodfather]

and how bout the people who promote Obama try to defend his voting record that I just posted and tell me how my critiscisms are in fact wrong. We need only look at his voting record, not what he "says" as anyone in politics knows that doesnt mean dick!

[bigt10]

lol godfather see what i mean.

you point out the issues and they just want to talk about the past. stop talkin about the past talk about tommorow.

just discusting, i changed my mind, what kind of ass wipe would allow the patriot act and is also allowing welfare and rights for illegal aleins who broke into the country with our tax dollars i never even read half of godfathers post.

i remeber that speech by paul, education should be funded and controlled by local and state levels. having a huge federal one just wastes money and makes it worse.


all obama wants is more government when half these problems are from to much government.

government needs to STFU and get out of our lives, spend less money, interfere less, let the free market operate and protect us as americans not as citizens of the new globalization and the NWO.

work on our own soil for americans and follow the consitution layed out by the founders and fore fathers.

everyone else just wants to bring up these tidbits of info from the past when the only one who layed down a clear plan attackin the big issues is and only was paul.

[bigt10]

I hope all of the Ron Paul supporters write in his name!!!! Vote Ron Paul '08!!!

it;s not about the victory, this isnthollywood its your life and america.

I hope you understand he didnt win because the specialinterests who are behind the IRS, federal reserve which also created all the media networks they control we watch didnt pick him as he wasnt suitable so he was nulled and everyone else has no clueon the issues.

all they do is turn on CNN news hour for 30 mins, the news talks of few words such as how bad it is, then they hear democrats which the word doesnt mean nothing, arehaving a woman and a black man and they know theywant change so you have a big hoorah.


Last week i watched some bullshit by hilary about some temporary gas tax relief........ Lol i am speechless.


Hey carlos and the rest go watch ZEITGEST, FREEDOM TO FACISM, and a book called The Creature from Jekyl Island by Edward G Griffin.

also read some of ron pauls stuff excellent.

[Gators]

Again his own party said it. Blame Bush' campaign. It was said during the 2,000 Election.

We're not talking about Bush, or 2000, i was talking about YOU and your comment about McCain. Making light of his time spent in a POW camp isn't cool Carlos, you know that.

[Gators]

This election isn't about race or any of the other side issues, it's about 2 candidates w/ very different views on how to move forward. Even if i normally voted Dem, i would be VERY hesitant to give control of the Legis and Executive branch to one party, that's like the fox watching the henhouse. I'm disgusted w/ both parties, the Dems have become a party of left wing loons, and the Pubs a bunch of free spending wimps. Like someone said a few posts back, no candidate is talking about drastically reducing our out of control spending, reducing the ridiculously bloated federal gov't and giving more decision making make to the states, it's not rocket science to understand that decisions are best made by those 'closet to the action'.

I guess if i had to say what party i more 'align' myself with, it would be Libertarian.

Again, i think all 3 we have left are chumps, i'll hold my nose and vote McCain.

[Gators]

I just went back to the Libertarian Party website, and i am definitely more Libertarian than Republican, i just might vote for Bob Barr.

[Carlos_E]

We're not talking about Bush, or 2000, i was talking about YOU and your comment about McCain. Making light of his time spent in a POW camp isn't cool Carlos, you know that.

Oh please. We all know the man has anger management issues. Lets lists his other assets.

He's attacked, cursed and argued with other Senators.
He's called his wife a cunt in public.
He confuses Sunni and Shi'ites. (At least 3 times.)
He confuses Iraq and Iran.
He said he didn't vote for Bush in the 2,000 election, now he says he did.
He was against Bush' tax cuts and now he is for them.
He admits not knowing much about the economy.
He drags Joe Lieberman around with him to correct his "mis-speaks."

The man is not mentally stable. Look at the suicide rate among people who served in Iraq. Don't tell me that their time at war has not effected them mentally.

[Carlos_E]

Former congressman announces for president

The presidential field just grew by one.

Former US Representative Bob Barr of Georgia announced that he will run as a Libertarian this year. He first must win that party's nomination at its national convention that begins May 22.

A conservative former Republican, Barr could end up hurting presumptive GOP nominee John McCain -- just as some Democrats fear that Ralph Nader's independent candidacy could bleed votes from the Democratic nominee.

Barr, 59, who served in Congress from 1995 to 2003, helped lead Bill Clinton's impeachment. He quit the Republican Party two years ago, saying he had grown disillusioned with its failure to shrink government and its willingness to scale back civil liberties in fighting terrorism.

In a news conference, Barr said "only a fool" would specify a date and timetable for withdrawal from Iraq. But he said it's "extremely important" and in the best interest of national defense to draw down dramatically the US troop presence in Iraq and decrease the military and political footprint in Iraq.

So we have Ralph Nader, Bob Barr, and people writing in Ron Paul. This is great news for Barack Obama!

[Carlos_E]

Ron Paul Making More Mischief

Following their stunning success in Nevada, Paul supporters are back at it. And it couldn't happen to a more worthy Republican state party.

The Texas congressman and former Libertarian presidential nominee has targeted Idaho as part of his quixotic challenge to John McCain. Paul loyalists seek to yank the Idaho GOP organization up from the grass roots by fielding candidates for precinct committeeman in the May 27 primary. But they refuse to identify their slate.

An unusually large number of candidates, many unfamiliar to party regulars, seek to fill the county and state central committees, especially in Ada, Twin Falls and Kootenai counties....

Idaho GOP Chairman Kirk Sullivan said Paul's tactics were a hot topic at a recent National Committee meeting.

"They are working hard to have an impact on the national convention," Sullivan said. "But they don't talk to anybody. I have never been approached by a single Ron Paul person about what the party's doing, how they get involved, how the platform will be rewritten, how the rules will be established."...

Challis McAffee, 32, has been attending Central Committee meetings, where he declines to sign in. He is a self-employed Capital High grad who is converting a travel trailer to a food service rig in the driveway of his parents' Boise home, the address he lists for his candidacy.... McAffee chuckled at the notion the Republican Party, which dominates Idaho politics, is nervous about Paul's guerrilla tactics. "They oughtta be," he said in a stage whisper. "We're taking the party back."

This is great news for Barack Obama!

[thegodfather]

Oh please. We all know the man has anger management issues. Lets lists his other assets.

He's attacked, cursed and argued with other Senators.
He's called his wife a cunt in public.
He confuses Sunni and Shi'ites. (At least 3 times.)
He confuses Iraq and Iran.
He said he didn't vote for Bush in the 2,000 election, now he says he did.
He was against Bush' tax cuts and now he is for them.
He admits not knowing much about the economy.
He drags Joe Lieberman around with him to correct his "mis-speaks."

The man is not mentally stable. Look at the suicide rate among people who served in Iraq. Don't tell me that their time at war has not effected them mentally.

Thats a completely unfounded supposition with absolutely no factual evidence to back it up. That is the kind of rhetoric that Americans cast their votes by, random uninformed opinions from other people about a particular candidate and what they "think," but with no factual evidence to back up their assertions.

"Dont tell me that their time at war has not effected them mentally." Ok, well I am sure if you tried you might be able to dig up a study that says x% of people involved in warfare have been shown to exhibit mental illness, but you will never find a study that says that 100% of people involved in war are mentally ill, and until you can find such a study or post a diagnosis from McCains physician, you might want to refrain from making such unfounded claims about a candidate.

If you disagree with his VOTING record, or other actions which can be debated and PROVEN, then that is fine. Notice, I never took a stab at how Obama talks to his wife, what sorts of things he gets 'confused' about, and what his knowledge is on the Economy. You know, Obama may know more about the economy than McCain, but what is Obama's experience with foreign policy?

To add to that, the President does not run the economy, it is not his job to do so. The President is only responsible as the commander-in-chief of the MILITARY, not the fu*king economy. The President should not be meddling in the economy what so ever.

I dont even like McCain, not at all, not a single bit. But I cannot stand by idly while politicians are smeared for things that have nothing to do with their politics. Its my hope that everyone will evaluate candidates based strictly on their voting records, which is the only true indication of what they will do in office.

[rockinred]

This thread went south quick.... all the racist comments and questions about OJ tied to this election debate???? That is why I bow out of these conversations.... I like this board and don't want to get banned.... somehow ignorance and a persons true colors come out when it comes to politics.

[rockinred]

Thats a completely unfounded supposition with absolutely no factual evidence to back it up. That is the kind of rhetoric that Americans cast their votes by, random uninformed opinions from other people about a particular candidate and what they "think," but with no factual evidence to back up their assertions.

"Dont tell me that their time at war has not effected them mentally." Ok, well I am sure if you tried you might be able to dig up a study that says x% of people involved in warfare have been shown to exhibit mental illness, but you will never find a study that says that 100% of people involved in war are mentally ill, and until you can find such a study or post a diagnosis from McCains physician, you might want to refrain from making such unfounded claims about a candidate.

If you disagree with his VOTING record, or other actions which can be debated and PROVEN, then that is fine. Notice, I never took a stab at how Obama talks to his wife, what sorts of things he gets 'confused' about, and what his knowledge is on the Economy. You know, Obama may know more about the economy than McCain, but what is Obama's experience with foreign policy?

To add to that, the President does not run the economy, it is not his job to do so. The President is only responsible as the commander-in-chief of the MILITARY, not the fu*king economy. The President should not be meddling in the economy what so ever.

I dont even like McCain, not at all, not a single bit. But I cannot stand by idly while politicians are smeared for things that have nothing to do with their politics. Its my hope that everyone will evaluate candidates based strictly on their voting records, which is the only true indication of what they will do in office.

To talk about the Presidents involvment with the economy is huge. the whole field of an Economists evolved from the government... GDP and money printing has a lot to do with the Government.

Your statement is really good in theory and I even agree... but the fact is, it is not that black and white either... there are many ethical issues and delimas that warrant some type of involvement for the protection of people, the circulation of money, monopolies, and the list goes on.... that is why you get EPA, trade-acts, etc... we can go on this one for a while.

[thegodfather]

To talk about the Presidents involvment with the economy is huge. the whole field of an Economists evolved from the government... GDP and money printing has a lot to do with the Government.

Your statement is really good in theory and I even agree... but the fact is, it is not that black and white either... there are many ethical issues and delimas that warrant some type of involvement for the protection of people, the circulation of money, monopolies, and the list goes on.... that is why you get EPA, trade-acts, etc... we can go on this one for a while.

Laissez-faire is the best economic policy to ever exist. The government needs to let the free market be. Government intervention into economics causes more problems than it "temporarily" fixes. For instance, one of the worst decisions of this administration is to "bail-out" failing banks. When banks engage in shotty banking practices which cause them to go bankrupt, it benefits the consumer because now the only banks left are those that engaged in good banking practices. The government is perpetuating and REWARDING companys for engaging in shady/bad banking practices. That is how the free market works, competition produces a better quality product for the consumer (in this case loans). While it is initially hard to let 1 million + loans default or go into forclosure, in the long run it is better for the consumers and the nation as a whole.

The aforementioned argument can also be applied to why there should be NO BANK OF LEST RESORT!(The Fed) If banks are going to go out of business, ultimately it will benefit the consumer, but ayeee in America that doesn't happen, if a bank lends itself bankrupt they just call the Fed and have them print up the money from thin air to bail them out.

The banks/industry/military complex wins, and the TAX PAYING CITIZEN... LOSES

[rockinred]

Laissez-faire is the best economic policy to ever exist. The government needs to let the free market be. Government intervention into economics causes more problems than it "temporarily" fixes. For instance, one of the worst decisions of this administration is to "bail-out" failing banks. When banks engage in shotty banking practices which cause them to go bankrupt, it benefits the consumer because now the only banks left are those that engaged in good banking practices. The government is perpetuating and REWARDING companys for engaging in shady/bad banking practices. That is how the free market works, competition produces a better quality product for the consumer (in this case loans). While it is initially hard to let 1 million + loans default or go into forclosure, in the long run it is better for the consumers and the nation as a whole.

The aforementioned argument can also be applied to why there should be NO BANK OF LEST RESORT!(The Fed) If banks are going to go out of business, ultimately it will benefit the consumer, but ayeee in America that doesn't happen, if a bank lends itself bankrupt they just call the Fed and have them print up the money from thin air to bail them out.

The banks/industry/military complex wins, and the TAX PAYING CITIZEN... LOSES

I think the bank and airline asking the gov to get involved is an excellent example of why the government should not get involved. There are some that are not clear cut like that and that is the reason it starts meddling in this area and then all of a sudden the level of involvment becomes unclear.

But to talk about Oboma's or McCains or any Presidents level of understanding in Economics is still important to their qualifications for presidency. If the person does not understand economics and the impact they have on their decisions they can actually start venturing too far into it without even knowing it... exactly what you don't want right?

True Story - how would you say government should handle.

I am not going to go into too much detail as anyone can look this up... A large internet search engine expanded business in China for the benefit of shareholders and to increase their wealth.. good choice.. Well China said if you come in here and bring the world wide web... it is ok, but we don't want our people to start looking up certain things... such things that might cause a rebellion to communism etc... well, turns out some people did do that and the big US based company provided information to the CHina Government which led to the prosecution of that civilian. Well suddenly a big matter of ethics and free rights came up before the US congress... that company had to answer for their actions... so what should the gov do in these situations?

Sweat shops and companies polluting the environment are another story too.

Very tough and complicated... things like this are clearly not black and white on the level of involvment with free enterprise...

To take it back to the topic, a President needs to have a solid understanding aside from GDP, etc..., about the impact on laws and so forth they have or represent in their role as the leader. imo.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

This thread went south quick.... all the racist comments and questions about OJ tied to this election debate???? That is why I bow out of these conversations.... I like this board and don't want to get banned.... somehow ignorance and a persons true colors come out when it comes to politics.

politics and religion get heated quick.

[thegodfather]

RockinRed you're talking about Google, Inc. I prefer to not comment on that entire situation as our relationship with China is one of the most hypocritical in history. We have an embargo on Cuba simply because they are a Communist country, yet our biggest trade partner is China which is ranked in the top 10 of human rights violators in the world. Their status has recently been moved down the list somewhat, but not because they have stopped committing human rights violations, but ONLY for political reasons and nothing else.

[Gators]

Wright, Ayers, and now he gets a endorsement from a high ranking official of Hamas. Combine that w/ his wife's comments about how she's never been proud of the US and how the US is a "downright mean country", i'm not feeling Obama's love for this country. I got a feeling Obama has some other stuff yet to come out.