Transgender..

[Johnny_Rotten]

What are your opinions on Transgender people?

I never considered myself a bigot but i can't help but feel sick when i think about it. & no, i'm not trying to be a hate-monger, it's just a feeling that i get in the pit of my stomach, a bit of nausea like.

I find this very weird because i consider myself a very open minded person, i have alot of CLOSE gay friends, no not aquaintences but actually good mates & i have absolutely no problem with them whatsoever.

I'm comfortable enough with my own sexuality to joke around with my homosexual friends, giving them hugs etc. However when i see a Shemale (what is the PC term? Apologies if i've offended anyone) i can't help but feeling ill.

When i was younger i used to have a problem with them, to be honest i thought it was wrong. However as i've grown older i've realized that it's not wrong at all, i mean who the hell am i to dictate what people think or feel, obviously these people really do feel this way hence they take the plunge & change genitals etc.

What are your opinions on this?

(& again, i'm not trying to be a hatemonger, i'm just being brutally honest)

[Johnny_Rotten]

Ps -

i think some of might have to do with this.

One of my ex galfriends was a total arty type freak & she used to be friends with a couple of shemales. Now these guys/gals were actually quite attractive to be honest & i would never have guessed they were really guys.

What they used to do was pick up guys (who didn't know) & take them home. I never really liked the deception & thought they're going to really get hurt one day)

One of them did get seriously hurt when one of the guys they took home found out the beauitufl woman he was about to sleep with had a penis & beat the sh*t out of him/her.

I always used to think "be honest with it"

[Dicknang]

That "deception" you talk about has me beat too mate. I mean, the guys these transgenders pick up are obviously heterosexual, otherwise they would not be interested in going home with this person they thought was a female. Maybe these transgenders think the surprise the guys have when they discover a penis under the skirt or whatever would be a good surprise!

I don't know how i would feel if i found myself in that situation. I am not a violent person, but that would siht me off severely, to say the least.

[Amorphic]

i dont care what anyone does as long as it doesnt affect me

[Johnny_Rotten]

^^^^

Yes but how would you feel if you met (what you thought was a beautiful) a woman at a club, kissed her, danced, laughed etc all night & she led you to believe she was a girl, only to discover later at your place she's a man.

How would you feel?

Ps - how would they break the news to the guys they picked up? Imagine "HAII SURPRISE I HAVE A D#CK! HAHA TRICKED YOU!!!!"

[Amorphic]

^^^^

Yes but how would you feel if you met (what you thought was a beautiful) a woman at a club, kissed her, danced, laughed etc all night & she led you to believe she was a girl, only to discover later at your place she's a man.

How would you feel?

Ps - how would they break the news to the guys they picked up? Imagine "HAII SURPRISE I HAVE A D#CK! HAHA TRICKED YOU!!!!"

thats different since the situation effects me directy.

no one likes being decieved and if it was something like that i would be pretty pissed off and grossed out.

[spywizard]

i dont care what anyone does as long as it doesnt affect me

cool, so all the reprobates and socially acceptable actions of people, so long as they aren't or don't effect you is ok??

I only know 1 other person that actually believes this line of thinking.. She says that "all things should be permissible in accordance with what each person wants to do and makes them happy"

Oh the arguments about child molestation, wife beating, and in the end, she really did have to admit that not all things are permissible, she just wishes that they were..

[Amorphic]

cool, so all the reprobates and socially acceptable actions of people, so long as they aren't or don't effect you is ok??

I only know 1 other person that actually believes this line of thinking.. She says that "all things should be permissible in accordance with what each person wants to do and makes them happy"

Oh the arguments about child molestation, wife beating, and in the end, she really did have to admit that not all things are permissible, she just wishes that they were..

lets not get carried away....

im referring to the notion of sexuality and gender not child molestation and criminal activity.

if someone wants to be in a gay relationship thats fine with me, if people want to be transgendered, go for it. as long as their actions dont bother me or anyone else like a normal citizen would expect, there is no harm in it.

[Johnny_Rotten]

^^^hell i don't wish that they were!

Sick Paedo's need to be castrated & tortured in my opinion! & no don't come at me with this "what governs what is right & wrong bullsh*t)

It's different when a grown man suddenly feels the need to get intimate with children, goes to see a counsellor, is ashamed of himself & wants help.

However there was one in prison not too long ago who admitted what he was doing was wrong but it was pleasurable & if he was released he would molest little children again.

They should let him come to my house! let's just say my dogs would be eating sausage that night!

[Johnny_Rotten]

Amorphic i understood your first post & i'm somewhat sitting along the same lines.

I mean, if a man feels like he's a girl & wants a gender changing operation then he should be able to get one. i just don't want any part of it.

[Amorphic]

^^^hell i don't wish that they were!

Sick Paedo's need to be castrated & tortured in my opinion! & no don't come at me with this "what governs what is right & wrong bullsh*t)

It's different when a grown man suddenly feels the need to get intimate with children, goes to see a counsellor, is ashamed of himself & wants help.

However there was one in prison not too long ago who admitted what he was doing was wrong but it was pleasurable & if he was released he would molest little children again.

They should let him come to my house! let's just say my dogs would be eating sausage that night!

spywizard just took what i said out of context. the thread was about transgendered people, not child molestors.

obviously criminals need to be punished and child molestation etc are some of the worst crimes that can be committed.

back to the original topic: while some peoples sexual fantasies/lifestyle choises may make others uncomfortable, if they are not dangerous/damaging to society then there is nothing wrong with what they do in their private lives.

[Johnny_Rotten]

^^Yes i agree.

My initial comments where to Spywizards friends mentality of "if it doesn't affect me then i don't care"

I knew you meant it in the contenxt of transgender people, apologies for the confusion.

[Amorphic]

^^Yes i agree.

My initial comments where to Spywizards friends mentality of "if it doesn't affect me then i don't care"

I knew you meant it in the contenxt of transgender people, apologies for the confusion.

agreed.

[spywizard]

spywizard just took what i said out of context. the thread was about transgendered people, not child molestors.

obviously criminals need to be punished and child molestation etc are some of the worst crimes that can be committed.

back to the original topic: while some peoples sexual fantasies/lifestyle choises may make others uncomfortable, if they are not dangerous/damaging to society then there is nothing wrong with what they do in their private lives.

The point is further expounded in this 2nd posting.. who, and what standard is being used to determing what is damaging to society and what is not..

now do you see where this is going?? It wasn't that long ago that it was acceptable and tolerated and expected for men to beat their wives, (it still is in some cultures), and it wasn't that long ago that gays were beaten frequently in the streets and no one would do anything (this still happens in some cases).. what about minorities being beaten and killed simply because of the color of their skin...

So, we are back to what is civilized behavior and what is socially acceptable.. no.. what is NOT detrimental to the betterment of a society, what standard is used?? Common sense?? Religion?? A vote by the people??

that's the problem, or rather the point i am making..

[Amorphic]

The point is further expounded in this 2nd posting.. who, and what standard is being used to determing what is damaging to society and what is not..

now do you see where this is going?? It wasn't that long ago that it was acceptable and tolerated and expected for men to beat their wives, (it still is in some cultures), and it wasn't that long ago that gays were beaten frequently in the streets and no one would do anything (this still happens in some cases).. what about minorities being beaten and killed simply because of the color of their skin...

So, we are back to what is civilized behavior and what is socially acceptable.. no.. what is NOT detrimental to the betterment of a society, what standard is used?? Common sense?? Religion?? A vote by the people??

that's the problem, or rather the point i am making..

the thing is that values and cultures will continually change along a continuum, i understand the point you're making

[FallenWyvern]

The point is further expounded in this 2nd posting.. who, and what standard is being used to determing what is damaging to society and what is not..

now do you see where this is going?? It wasn't that long ago that it was acceptable and tolerated and expected for men to beat their wives, (it still is in some cultures), and it wasn't that long ago that gays were beaten frequently in the streets and no one would do anything (this still happens in some cases).. what about minorities being beaten and killed simply because of the color of their skin...

So, we are back to what is civilized behavior and what is socially acceptable.. no.. what is NOT detrimental to the betterment of a society, what standard is used?? Common sense?? Religion?? A vote by the people??

that's the problem, or rather the point i am making..

When the rights of someone, take away the rights of another, then it has gone to far.

I have no idea who should get to decide whose rights are more important. Some are easy to decide some are harder.

A pedophiles right to be sexually active is clearly less important than a child's right to be not molested.

Someones right to be a transsexual is more important than someones right not be disturbed by the thought of someone being transsexual.


I can't think anymore. Goodnight.

[DSM4Life]

What are your opinions on Transgender people?

I never considered myself a bigot but i can't help but feel sick when i think about it. & no, i'm not trying to be a hate-monger, it's just a feeling that i get in the pit of my stomach, a bit of nausea like.

I find this very weird because i consider myself a very open minded person, i have alot of CLOSE gay friends, no not aquaintences but actually good mates & i have absolutely no problem with them whatsoever.

I'm comfortable enough with my own sexuality to joke around with my homosexual friends, giving them hugs etc. However when i see a Shemale (what is the PC term? Apologies if i've offended anyone) i can't help but feeling ill.

When i was younger i used to have a problem with them, to be honest i thought it was wrong. However as i've grown older i've realized that it's not wrong at all, i mean who the hell am i to dictate what people think or feel, obviously these people really do feel this way hence they take the plunge & change genitals etc.

What are your opinions on this?

(& again, i'm not trying to be a hatemonger, i'm just being brutally honest)

I love when people say i don't hate gay people, i have a gay friend. Just because you have a gay person as a "friend" doesn't mean you like gay people.

When it comes to shemales i am more along the lines of Amorphic where as i could care less. They are people just like you and I . I would never goes as far to say it makes me sick to see/be around them.

Remember just because you don't understand something doesn't mean you have to hate it.

On my final note do i think its right for them to "trick" straight people into thinking they are a women and going home with a guy ? I do feel that is a little risky and they should be totally honest up front but on the flip side im sure there are many "straight" guys who went home with them, had fun sexually and later told people they were tricked (WEBB).

[dupa95]

I really do not care either way it is a choice and a big one to make. My problem is for instance when a woman wants to be a man. Can go to the doctor and get hormones (steriods ) so she may look and feel more like a man before the operation. But when I wana look better and improve my quality of life. I get do you know what steroids do bad bad bad. Not all but I have seen this glorified on tv. Why are the rules different. Why if they wana change who they are and how they feel no problem. But If i wana change how I feel and how I look and my quality of life No way bad bad bad.

[Blackster1975]

as long as they dont try to F**K me i don't really care lol

[BigLittleTim]

Everyone should be free to persue happiness as he or she understands it, and in so far as it does not harm the right to the persuit of happiness for another.

As a GAY MAN I, too, am "grossed out" by the thought of the male-to-female transgendered operation (OUCH! ) but I firmly believe transgendered folk know what they're doing and honestly believe they will be happier being a member of the other sex. It's not what I would choose, but then there are lots of people who don't understand my desire to be with another MAN.

I keep my rights, you keep your rights, and we can all be happy.

(The problem comes when some people's idea of happiness is interfering in other peoples' persuit of happiness.)

-BigLittleTim

[dupa95]

[QUOTE=BigLittleTim;3989136]Everyone should be free to persue happiness as he or she understands it, and in so far as it does not harm the right to the persuit of happiness for another.

As a GAY MAN I, too, am "grossed out" by the thought of the male-to-female transgendered operation (OUCH! ) but I firmly believe transgendered folk know what they're doing and honestly believe they will be happier being a member of the other sex. It's not what I would choose, but then there are lots of people who don't understand my desire to be with another MAN.

I keep my rights, you keep your rights, and we can all be happy.

(The problem comes when some people's idea of happiness is interfering in other peoples' persuit of happiness.)
GREAT QUOTE!!!!!!!!!!

[BigLittleTim]

I really do not care either way it is a choice and a big one to make. My problem is for instance when a woman wants to be a man. Can go to the doctor and get hormones (steriods ) so she may look and feel more like a man before the operation. But when I wana look better and improve my quality of life. I get do you know what steroids do bad bad bad. Not all but I have seen this glorified on tv. Why are the rules different. Why if they wana change who they are and how they feel no problem. But If i wana change how I feel and how I look and my quality of life No way bad bad bad.

I'm with you, brother. In a free society we'd all be free to persue our own version of happiness, including bodybuilding with steroids.

The criminalization of consentual sex between members of the same sex; the criminalization of hormone use in sports; the criminalization of gambling, drinking, consentual prostitution, all in situations where no one is harmed, is the way the government and law enforcement keep us all "outlaws" and subject to arrest, confiscation of our property, and loss of liberty.

A bit off topic, I know.

[Lemonada8]

I'm with you, brother. In a free society we'd all be free to persue our own version of happiness, including bodybuilding with steroids.

The criminalization of consentual sex between members of the same sex; the criminalization of hormone use in sports; the criminalization of gambling, drinking, consentual prostitution, all in situations where no one is harmed, is the way the government and law enforcement keep us all "outlaws" and subject to arrest, confiscation of our property, and loss of liberty.

A bit off topic, I know.

that makes it seem the gov is out to get us, and arrest people..... and i didnt know it was illegeal to have gay sex (i'm not gay and i'm still doubtful of this, its definately looked down upon, but criminalization of it? wow.....)


and about the part of the shemale gettin beaten for the misconception, well its kinda his/her own fault... you dont try to take someone home who is straight and most likely going to flip when he finds out.... thats just asking for trouble, i dont go to a gay bar and try to take one home, then be like 'oh im not gay'.... its just dumb.... if you are *IMHO unfortunate to have this problem, make the most of it but dont expect to have everyone accept you when you are decieving 'straight' men.... thats just the same as playing with wild lions...

dupa i totally agree with you, most all people know what they can do to piss people off, and with a serious topic like transgender people.... thats not to hard...

quote which i find interesting in this thread...

"My only fear is the unknown." - david blaine
"People fear what they don't understand, hate what they can't conquer..."

people fear what they dont understand... i bet many people do this, even though they might not mean to but it kinda happens....

[No One Knows]

did you really just quote david blaine?

[DeputyLoneWolf]

cool, so all the reprobates and socially acceptable actions of people, so long as they aren't or don't effect you is ok??

I only know 1 other person that actually believes this line of thinking.. She says that "all things should be permissible in accordance with what each person wants to do and makes them happy"

Oh the arguments about child molestation, wife beating, and in the end, she really did have to admit that not all things are permissible, she just wishes that they were..

Excellent post thank you. Some people (Like Amorphic) are in denial that there are absolutes and also...Right and wrong.

[green22]

The only thing I dont like is when they are hot and Im checking them out. Then look a lil closer and figure out their dudes. That really sucks. But I dont dislike or hate them. I dont know any personally either. But Im not gonna talk shit about them. Everyone is different. If we were all the same life would be borring.

[DeputyLoneWolf]

spywizard just took what i said out of context. the thread was about transgendered people, not child molestors.

obviously criminals need to be punished and child molestation etc are some of the worst crimes that can be committed.

back to the original topic: while some peoples sexual fantasies/lifestyle choises may make others uncomfortable, if they are not dangerous/damaging to society then there is nothing wrong with what they do in their private lives.

Your last line: Is this okay only becasue it does not affect and is not dangerous to you?

[DeputyLoneWolf]

I'm with you, brother. In a free society we'd all be free to persue our own version of happiness, including bodybuilding with steroids.

The criminalization of consentual sex between members of the same sex; the criminalization of hormone use in sports; the criminalization of gambling, drinking, consentual prostitution, all in situations where no one is harmed, is the way the government and law enforcement keep us all "outlaws" and subject to arrest, confiscation of our property, and loss of liberty.

A bit off topic, I know.

I see you really don't like cops.

[spywizard]

I'm with you, brother. In a free society we'd all be free to persue our own version of happiness, including bodybuilding with steroids.

The criminalization of consentual sex between members of the same sex; the criminalization of hormone use in sports; the criminalization of gambling, drinking, consentual prostitution, all in situations where no one is harmed, is the way the government and law enforcement keep us all "outlaws" and subject to arrest, confiscation of our property, and loss of liberty.

A bit off topic, I know.

no it's not off topic.. it's exactly what i was getting at as well..

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Would I do it? No
Do I care? No
Do I find it slightly disturbing? Yes, but it isn't up to me to decide for others
Would I be pissed if I found out she was a he? Hell Yes

[goose]

I think they are cute.

[calgarian]

Would I do it? No
Do I care? No
Do I find it slightly disturbing? Yes, but it isn't up to me to decide for others
Would I be pissed if I found out she was a he? Hell Yes

+3 for this

[calgarian]

I think they are cute.

Till you find out that they have a d!ck

[DeputyLoneWolf]

I think they are cute.

Ugh...lol

[goose]

Till you find out that they have a d!ck

Now this pic is a shemale.

Hot or what?

[DeputyLoneWolf]

Now this pic is a shemale.

Hot or what?

Thats just not right. When a guy sees a pic like that he thinks about what guys think about...then to find out its a dude...just wrong, makes me want to gouge out my eyes.

[Oki-Des]

It would depend on if her penis was bigger than mine!
LOL.
When I was younger a friend of mine and I met an Asian girl in Japan. I think she was Filipino. In any event, she wore an open shirt that exposed the outer edges of her breasts. She was also very pretty. I am not talking pretty for a $20 hooker, but actually a 9 or so. In any event she chose my friend and she took him home. The next day I found out she had a wiener. At that time I was definitely happy she had not chosen me.
It still makes me laugh because I truly thought she was hot.

[nameuser]

I would have no problems dating a transgendered person, nor would I have any issues telling my friends/family about it.

I think transgendered have a reputation in society for being mentally unstable. I don't think transgendered humans are any less mentally stable than anyone else. Except for the fact that they experience alot of discrimination throughout life, probably causing mental disorders that wouldn't exist otherwise.

Trangendered people have had characteristics pertaining to the opposite sex at a very young age.

Here's an interesting documentary about children undergoing HRT:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Utpam0IGYac
The children seem to have differences at a very young age (3 years old) compared to others from the same sex.

[mick86]

^^^^

Yes but how would you feel if you met (what you thought was a beautiful) a woman at a club, kissed her, danced, laughed etc all night & she led you to believe she was a girl, only to discover later at your place she's a man.

How would you feel?

Ps - how would they break the news to the guys they picked up? Imagine "HAII SURPRISE I HAVE A D#CK! HAHA TRICKED YOU!!!!"

Man that happened two my twice last weekend lol jk, either there are few trans genders where I live in Australia or I just dont go to the same sorts of places where they do/dont notice them if they go to the same sorts of places I do. Although........come to think of it my last girl friend did have what she claimed was developmentally stunted third leg growing out of her crutch, but I thought nothing of it at the time even though she could pee through it and the knee joint locked up and it swelled when I fu@ked her.

I'm with you, brother. In a free society we'd all be free to persue our own version of happiness, including bodybuilding with steroids.

The criminalization of consentual sex between members of the same sex; the criminalization of hormone use in sports; the criminalization of gambling, drinking, consentual prostitution, all in situations where no one is harmed, is the way the government and law enforcement keep us all "outlaws" and subject to arrest, confiscation of our property, and loss of liberty.

A bit off topic, I know.

I whole heartedly agree with you on that. I hate the legal system!

[dupa95]

I would have no problems dating a transgendered person, nor would I have any issues telling my friends/family about it.

I think transgendered have a reputation in society for being mentally unstable. I don't think transgendered humans are any less mentally stable than anyone else. Except for the fact that they experience alot of discrimination throughout life, probably causing mental disorders that wouldn't exist otherwise.

Trangendered people have had characteristics pertaining to the opposite sex at a very young age.

Here's an interesting documentary about children undergoing HRT:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Utpam0IGYac
The children seem to have differences at a very young age (3 years old) compared to others from the same sex.

This is exactly what I am talking about. I wana be man oh great here are some steroids for you to become more manly. But if I wana improve my quality of life and my body and sex drive OH NO do you know what steroids do to you do you know the nasty side effects. I am tired of pepole tip toeing around transgender people. If the answer is no me for it should be know for them. Now you tell me who has more rights.