Too many cop bashing threads

[thegodfather]

Good job godfather I so glad you actually know so much about the legal system that I didn't already know. Your telling me things I already know. You OBVIOUSLY are right about EVERYTHING and OBVIOUSLY know how to perfect our government. Why aren't you some senator or official making a difference
But what I don't get is what the hell do you actually do on here. All I see you do is just spread negativity towards the America system and never actually focus on what this website is about which is bodybuilding.

Lol you dont wanna talk politics anymore? You did bring it up, you did state that most of us dont know what we're talking about. Appearently you want to change the subject now? Thats fine, I use the information provided by the board for bodybuilding/steroid info, dont we all? I appreciate the information provided by the board and many of our more knowledgeable members on the subject matter. I am not an expert in AAS/bodybuilding, my efforts are directed elsewhere. I enjoy the lifestyle and enjoy lifting, however I feel a little bit out of place giving out extensive info regarding those topics when there are members who are able to answer those questions with much more accuracy than myself. Maybe you should take that approach when trying to discuss politics.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

This video doesn't show the whole thing. It was a simple traffic stop that turned into a small pursuit, then the driver jumped out of the car and started telling the deputy to come get him and the deputy continued to try to talk to the guy. After a few moments the guy then grabs the gun. If the deputy would have kicked this guys ass after he jumped out of the car then both of them would still be alive today.

Ok, So cops should just start shooting/tasing on the spot now? For their safety of course...

Get pulled over for a speeding ticket and get tased just so the cop is okay?


Again, cops sign up for this job. No one makes them. And they know what they are getting into.

Also again, it is very sad, but certain risks come with that badge.

But to start shooting/tasing people on the spot because the cop might think/just maybe/quite possibly...(lol sound familiar?)... they are a threat, and punching/kicking cuffed men is pure ludicrous

[Reed]

Thanks bud. I'll take it into consideration. I really just don't want to waste my time with you and do all that writing that I did that one night because it is honestly a spiral that goes nowhere. But good luck with your efforts.

[nhl1]

Personally, I don't think that ALL cops are that bad. They are at least out there trying to stop real crimes. The only thing that pisses me off about local law enforcement is the enroaching into civil rights by them being able to stop citizens WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE. This is BS. DUI checkpoints for example, that is some shit that pisses me off to no end.

But other than that at least cops are out there trying to stop rape, theft, murder, etc, etc. You can't blame cops for enforcing the laws they are told too. Its basically hating the messanger. Its lawmakers that pass the absurd laws and punishments by giving drug addicts huge sentences in jails. The only real thing that majorly bothers me about cops is that most of them are hypocrites. I mean didn't a cop start this thread? And he is on a steroid forum. Using steroids is illegal yes? Isn't Ronnie Coleman a cop? Hmmmmm....

Now IRS agents, these are the mofos that need to be drawn and quartered.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Lol you dont wanna talk politics anymore? You did bring it up, you did state that most of us dont know what we're talking about. Appearently you want to change the subject now? Thats fine, I use the information provided by the board for bodybuilding/steroid info, dont we all? I appreciate the information provided by the board and many of our more knowledgeable members on the subject matter. I am not an expert in AAS/bodybuilding, my efforts are directed elsewhere. I enjoy the lifestyle and enjoy lifting, however I feel a little bit out of place giving out extensive info regarding those topics when there are members who are able to answer those questions with much more accuracy than myself. Maybe you should take that approach when trying to discuss politics.

lol

[nhl1]

But to start shooting/tasing people on the spot because the cop might think/just maybe/quite possibly...(lol sound familiar?)... they are a threat, and punching/kicking cuffed men is pure ludicrous

Have you ever noticed on EVERY single cop show or news coverage of something like a high speed chase, that even after the guy has given up, he still gets slammed down, arms pinned behind him with extreme force, and has about 4 fat asses that have to help "make sure hes down" by getting a running start and kneeing him down to the ground.

[Reed]

lol

Not really seeing how thats owing but ok You people kill me

[gixxerboy1]

Have you ever noticed on EVERY single cop show or news coverage of something like a high speed chase, that even after the guy has given up, he still gets slammed down, arms pinned behind him with extreme force, and has about 4 fat asses that have to help "make sure hes down" by getting a running start and kneeing him down to the ground.

then the six cops are yelling at him as they are trying to get handcuffs on them. not realising they are pulling agianst the other cops all holding their arms

[gixxerboy1]

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=6325406

bad cops are so rare

[40plusnewbie]

No I already got you all upset.

Dude, I'm not upset. I participate in a politics forum at another site and don't get bothered by other peoples opinions. BTW I'm an anarcho-capitalist, not a socialist or liberal.

[ftony]

That video is disturbing...I guess the officer followed police procedure warning the assailant to put his weapon down.Had the officer just fired on him when he raised his weapon he may be alive, no gaurantees.There was about 11 seconds from when the officer said put your gun down to when shots are being fired at the officer.It seems to me that videos like this may fuel the fire, they are used in training that get cops to use excessive force indiscriminately on everyday average citizens. They are justifying there actions by using these videos and probably rightly so if your the police officer....On the other hand there's just some really bad decisions being made on defenseless citizens that are unarmed or worse such as being ,blind,senor citizens,minors,women,etc.I could go on and on but its pointless.the bottom line here is police when doing there job following procedure must accept the consequences of the job as this officer has done with his life in the line of duty...personally I feel he should have opened up on him as soon as he raised his weapon....in other cases obviously I feel very different.

[40plusnewbie]

Ok, So cops should just start shooting/tasing on the spot now? For their safety of course...

Get pulled over for a speeding ticket and get tased just so the cop is okay?


Again, cops sign up for this job. No one makes them. And they know what they are getting into.

Also again, it is very sad, but certain risks come with that badge.

But to start shooting/tasing people on the spot because the cop might think/just maybe/quite possibly...(lol sound familiar?)... they are a threat, and punching/kicking cuffed men is pure ludicrous

Don't forget the sweet overtime they get sitting on their ass at traffic worksites and other sites that hire police in uniform to do details. And don't forget the pension after 20 years. People in the CIA don't even get that. lol

A friend of mines father was a cop. He had a detail driving the mayor many years ago and got mega overtime. 15-20 years ago he was making well over 100k/yr.

His son also had the best collection of fireworks, martial arts weapons, knives, brass knuckles, etc out of any of us kids. Where did they come from? His dad took them off of older teenagers in the city and stole them and gave them to his 12-13 yr old son. lol

[NightWolf]

I agree 100% with Godfather and gixxer in this issue, I have the same opinon.

[MuscleScience]

Good job godfather I so glad you actually know so much about the legal system that I didn't already know. Your telling me things I already know. You OBVIOUSLY are right about EVERYTHING and OBVIOUSLY know how to perfect our government. Why aren't you some senator or official making a difference
But what I don't get is what the hell do you actually do on here. All I see you do is just spread negativity towards the America system and never actually focus on what this website is about which is bodybuilding.

Not trying to jump in on the argument, but GodFather does a lot more for this board than the average member knows. Members that have been here awhile know that. Just wanted to point that out.

[thegodfather]

Not trying to jump in on the argument, but GodFather does a lot more for this board than the average member knows. Members that have been here awhile know that. Just wanted to point that out.

Thanks MS...u make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside

[MuscleScience]

Thanks MS...u make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside

No problem, now were is that 20 dollars you promised me for saying that......

[sooners04]

It is actually you, and the majority of people posting who have absolutely no idea how our justice system works in the country. If you want to compare credentials, I'm all for it. First off, when a person is detained/arrested/prosecuted/indicted that is NOT an indication of GUILT. A person even after being indicted is NOT GUILTY.

The burden of proof rests on the STATE to proove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt (except in civil disputes where a verdict can be rendered if something is more likely to be true than not true, criminal cases however are held to a higher standard). This means that a police officer/law enforcement officer has absolutely no powers granted to him to dispense justice on the spot. A police officer makes arrests, gathers evidence, and presents said evidence to the prosecutors office who then determines if there is sufficient evidence that a crime has been committed.

So in fact, by you and the rest of the BANDWAGON on here abdicating these cops of wrong doing for "assaulting CRIMINALS," you could not be more wrong. All persons are SUSPECTS, hence why when we say they have been ACCUSED of a crime. The crimes against them are ALLEDGED, and they are not proven beyond a reasonable doubt, despite what you see in videos.

Police officers do have a tough job there is no denying that. They are everyones best friend when they need them, and peoples worst enemy when they dont. But I will say there are few other professions where a person who may not be highly intelligent, with nothing more than a high school education, can earn the kind of income and BENEFIT package that police officers have.

You are in essence asking the members of this forum, citizens of this country, to forgive police misconduct, wrong doing, and outright criminal behavior based on a number of flawed and illogical premises.

1)If you were caught in another country, you would be beaten, dismembered, or killed. - I'm quite confused how this is relevant? You are merely comparing SEVERITY, while not addressing that in either case the police officer would be violating the law of the land.

2) Police officers have a tough job, they need to go home to their families at the end of everyday. - Police officers are trained to know when to use the appropriate force (Look up the "Force Continium"). I doubt that included in many police officers training was "Knocking innocent unarmed citizen from bicycle," or "Beating handcuffed robbery SUSPECT".


I could go on and on. But I think I have proven beyond a resonable doubt, that it is you who in fact has no idea what the hell they are talking about. And if you want to furnish me with some credentials that say otherwise, perhaps a J.D., B.A. in Politics or Criminal Justice, or perhaps you have sat in on over 1,000 hours of criminal trial time?

I agree with everything here EXCEPT when you say that the only thing needed is a highschool degree and that there is good pay and benefits. It is required by multiple agencies where I live that you have to have a minimum of an associates degree and there are no defined benefits. All we get are a 401k, and shitty insurance and start out making $14 an hour.

[sooners04]

Also, to add to one of my previous points and to further illustrate it. Many of you may not be aware that in country jail guards are forbidden from shooting escaping prisoners. That is because the majority of inmates in county jails are awaiting trial and have not been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. There are cases where guilty inmates do serve short sentences, usually under 24 months, in county jails. However, our criminal justice system is set up to spare the lives of a person and risk them re-offending, than to execute a potentially innocent person.

I'm sure the aforementioned is contrary to how a lot of you think it SHOULD be. But that is our system, a potentially innocent persons life is weighted more heavily than a potentially guilty persons life who may reoffend. So I'd say to those people, if YOU dont like it YOU can leave!

Tennessee V Gardner discusses this

[5ifthCitizen]

FVCK COPS!!!


the end

[MuscleSportMag]

It is actually you, and the majority of people posting who have absolutely no idea how our justice system works in the country. If you want to compare credentials, I'm all for it. First off, when a person is detained/arrested/prosecuted/indicted that is NOT an indication of GUILT. A person even after being indicted is NOT GUILTY.

The burden of proof rests on the STATE to proove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt (except in civil disputes where a verdict can be rendered if something is more likely to be true than not true, criminal cases however are held to a higher standard). This means that a police officer/law enforcement officer has absolutely no powers granted to him to dispense justice on the spot. A police officer makes arrests, gathers evidence, and presents said evidence to the prosecutors office who then determines if there is sufficient evidence that a crime has been committed.

So in fact, by you and the rest of the BANDWAGON on here abdicating these cops of wrong doing for "assaulting CRIMINALS," you could not be more wrong. All persons are SUSPECTS, hence why when we say they have been ACCUSED of a crime. The crimes against them are ALLEDGED, and they are not proven beyond a reasonable doubt, despite what you see in videos.

Police officers do have a tough job there is no denying that. They are everyones best friend when they need them, and peoples worst enemy when they dont. But I will say there are few other professions where a person who may not be highly intelligent, with nothing more than a high school education, can earn the kind of income and BENEFIT package that police officers have.

You are in essence asking the members of this forum, citizens of this country, to forgive police misconduct, wrong doing, and outright criminal behavior based on a number of flawed and illogical premises.

1)If you were caught in another country, you would be beaten, dismembered, or killed. - I'm quite confused how this is relevant? You are merely comparing SEVERITY, while not addressing that in either case the police officer would be violating the law of the land.

2) Police officers have a tough job, they need to go home to their families at the end of everyday. - Police officers are trained to know when to use the appropriate force (Look up the "Force Continium"). I doubt that included in many police officers training was "Knocking innocent unarmed citizen from bicycle," or "Beating handcuffed robbery SUSPECT".


I could go on and on. But I think I have proven beyond a resonable doubt, that it is you who in fact has no idea what the hell they are talking about. And if you want to furnish me with some credentials that say otherwise, perhaps a J.D., B.A. in Politics or Criminal Justice, or perhaps you have sat in on over 1,000 hours of criminal trial time?

GF - You apparently are very knowledgeable in certain aspects of general law, which you have shown in this and other threads. But all your experience seems to be from the 'other side,' if you will. So your argument is one-sided and short sighted.

I'm not knocking your points, merely disputing some of them. We are all entitled to our opinions, so you seem to be giving yours. You obviously have a problem with the police, and even went as far as knocking them for only needing a HS diploma in some agencies, further stating that their income and health benefits should be questioned. In most areas of employment, even a GED HS diploma is suffice, and medical coverage is part of the union's package.

In NY, the cops earn one of the lowest salaries in the country as far as comparisons go for the type of place they work in and need more than a HS diploma to get on the job and then to go higher in rank, even more college credits are a requirement. Talk to some of them about their medical, dental, optical and prescription coverage. I'm sure that you'll be surprised to hear how thin it is.

I am assuming that in your work, you have run into slime-ball lawyers (most likely defense attorneys), haven't you? Just as there are bad apples in that field, some cops will make bad headlines, which causes the trickle-down effect on the majority.

We all appreciate your pointing out the difference between a suspect and a criminal, but you're talking semantics here. Without the cop effecting an arrest at the street level, then there wouldn't be any opportunity to give the 'suspect' his day in court. And just to be picky, if someone is caught committing a crime, for all intents and purposes, they are a criminal. The police officer is making the arrest on Probable Cause, which is the burden of proof needed and more than an 'alleged' act being committed, especially in cases where the PO is a witness to the crime.

In conclusion, to touch base on your 'appropriate force' comment, everyone has a different threshold for what would be deemed necessary to pursue, catch, control and place a 'suspect' under arrest. If you're 6'5", 250 and the 'alleged' bad guy is 5'5 and 110 soaking wet, then - barring the presence of any weapons - the bigger guy should make it a quick ending. But if the roles were reversed, why would you have a problem if the cop needed to use non-lethal force, either macing, clubbing or punching someone enough times to effect the arrest? Going home to your family should be paramount, especially to a cop. You have no right to patronize that statement, as you attempted to do. I would love to see if you would have had the balls to tell the co-workers and family of the deputy killed by that savage in the video clip that he was just an "unintelligent, overpaid cop that should be thankful he received benefits." Unfortunately, that cop won't have to worry about finger-pointers such as yourself anymore, or if you deem his shooting back "excessive force." No, he won't have to worry about people like you pulling out the "Force Continium."

You stated that you have proven your point "beyond a reasonable doubt," but in my opinion - which you have the right to disagree with - all you have proven is that you're going through life with your eyes half-closed. Keep sticking up for the animals that fight with the cops. They'll do you a lot of good.

[G4R]

My brother in law is a cop, my wifes uncle is a cop and his son is a cop.........
70% of the time they are great guys






















The other 30% of the time they are complete @$$ holes, especially when they are in uniform

[thegodfather]

GF - You apparently are very knowledgeable in certain aspects of general law, which you have shown in this and other threads. But all your experience seems to be from the 'other side,' if you will. So your argument is one-sided and short sighted.

I'm not knocking your points, merely disputing some of them. We are all entitled to our opinions, so you seem to be giving yours. You obviously have a problem with the police, and even went as far as knocking them for only needing a HS diploma in some agencies, further stating that their income and health benefits should be questioned. In most areas of employment, even a GED HS diploma is suffice, and medical coverage is part of the union's package.

In NY, the cops earn one of the lowest salaries in the country as far as comparisons go for the type of place they work in and need more than a HS diploma to get on the job and then to go higher in rank, even more college credits are a requirement. Talk to some of them about their medical, dental, optical and prescription coverage. I'm sure that you'll be surprised to hear how thin it is.

I am assuming that in your work, you have run into slime-ball lawyers (most likely defense attorneys), haven't you? Just as there are bad apples in that field, some cops will make bad headlines, which causes the trickle-down effect on the majority.

We all appreciate your pointing out the difference between a suspect and a criminal, but you're talking semantics here. Without the cop effecting an arrest at the street level, then there wouldn't be any opportunity to give the 'suspect' his day in court. And just to be picky, if someone is caught committing a crime, for all intents and purposes, they are a criminal. The police officer is making the arrest on Probable Cause, which is the burden of proof needed and more than an 'alleged' act being committed, especially in cases where the PO is a witness to the crime.

In conclusion, to touch base on your 'appropriate force' comment, everyone has a different threshold for what would be deemed necessary to pursue, catch, control and place a 'suspect' under arrest. If you're 6'5", 250 and the 'alleged' bad guy is 5'5 and 110 soaking wet, then - barring the presence of any weapons - the bigger guy should make it a quick ending. But if the roles were reversed, why would you have a problem if the cop needed to use non-lethal force, either macing, clubbing or punching someone enough times to effect the arrest? Going home to your family should be paramount, especially to a cop. You have no right to patronize that statement, as you attempted to do. I would love to see if you would have had the balls to tell the co-workers and family of the deputy killed by that savage in the video clip that he was just an "unintelligent, overpaid cop that should be thankful he received benefits." Unfortunately, that cop won't have to worry about finger-pointers such as yourself anymore, or if you deem his shooting back "excessive force." No, he won't have to worry about people like you pulling out the "Force Continium."

You stated that you have proven your point "beyond a reasonable doubt," but in my opinion - which you have the right to disagree with - all you have proven is that you're going through life with your eyes half-closed. Keep sticking up for the animals that fight with the cops. They'll do you a lot of good.

You really took the last part of my comments completely out of context. I was not commenting on this particular video in any way. The force continium was brought up to indicate that in the previous videos, of the innocent bicycle rider being knocked from his bike by the officer, and of the handcuffed suspect being kicked and beaten, there was no use of force warranted. The officer in THIS video, had the right to shoot the suspect the moment he brandished a weapon and became a threat to the officers life. I dont think anyone was questioning the fact that deadly force was warranted in that particular case.

To summarize most of these points... The issue I have in particular is with the idea that assaulting disarmed suspects is somehow acceptable in any way. In actuality, all arrested persons are innocent until proven guilty, and if force is used at any point after they have been effectively detained, it then becomes a criminal act. There is no reason that police officers should be subject to 'special laws' which in any other setting would land all of us 'ordinary citizens' in jail.

I am not an advocate for criminals. I am an advocate for the Constitution and the protections for which it provides every man, woman, and child in this country against abusive government and the violation of our God given unalienable rights.

I'm not surprised by this response though. Now days we are tought to believe that anyone who believes in the Constitution is a nut, conspiracy theorist, a liberal, a *****, unpatriotic, or a traitor. Nothing could be further from the truth.

[Reed]

See this is why I didn't get involved because someone else will just come along and take my place. Now why would I want to constantly get in long heated arguments that are eventually going to get locked or deleted. Well I'm glad thegodfather does alot on here but I would say 98% of his post are political or not on topic to what this website is meant to discuss. I just find it really odd that someone with as much intelligence as thegodfather comes to a bodybuilding website just to discuss politics day-in and day-out. But you all keep writing all those essays, its good reading and I'm learning

[thegodfather]

See this is why I didn't get involved because someone else will just come along and take my place. Now why would I want to constantly get in long heated arguments that are eventually going to get locked or deleted. Well I'm glad thegodfather does alot on here but I would say 98% of his post are political or not on topic to what this website is meant to discuss. I just find it really odd that someone with as much intelligence as thegodfather comes to a bodybuilding website just to discuss politics day-in and day-out. But you all keep writing all those essays, its good reading and I'm learning

Man you just can't get off it can you...I really dont have to justify my presence here to anyone... But just so you put a sock in it, I'll take a stab.. I enjoy bodybuilding, I take steroids , I majored in politics, I will be attending medical school.

Politics, are directly related to our lifestyle on this board, as we all partake in substances which are socially ostracized and deemed illegal by the powers that be in this country. What they amount to, in short, is an attempt to legislate morality and not an effort to increase public safety as the government would have you believe. The criminalization of steroids at the time, helped politicians in Washington get re-elected as they attached their names to something which they could say they accomplished during their term in office. If you know the history of steroids, then you'll understand that several government agencies opposed the scheduling of anabolic /androgenic steroids. The relevance of this topic to me, is that I gave a speech during a college class on this topic. In addition, I wrote a long and detailed essay, with citations documenting the case for the decriminalization of steroids and challenging the status quo definition of what a "performance enhancing drug" actually is.

Numero Dos... I will be attending medical school within the next 1-2 years as I'm trying to complete my pre-reqs and take my MCAT. I did a powerpoint presentation for an upper level bio class that I took, on the efficacy and safety of supraphysiologic doses of testosterone on healthy adult males.

My interest in bodybuilding and steroids extends far beyond the boundaries of this forum. So, I do apologize if my efforts dont make my interest appearent in the form of 1000 posts in the Steroid Forum, but believe me I am interested and I do make an effort. I hope I have helped to clarify the relevance of my posts to this communiy, and possibly gave some legitimacy to my presence. Have a great night....

[Johnny_Rotten]

I have bad issues with coppers.

Ever since i was a kid i've been hassled by them with Racism, been beaten up & harassed non stop.

I remember being a ten year old kid walking with 3 white friends home from the local skate-park & a cop pulled over, got out & asked me (& only me) if i was carrying any flick knives in my pockets or any other kind of weapons.

I was 10 freakin years old for god sake. he didn't say a word to my 3 white friends.

Another time i was 13 & got into a fight with another 13 year old after school. Someone must of called 5-0 & they ended up rocking up, split up the fight, told the white guy i was fighting to 'piss off'.

Then one of them started questioning me & another one came up, took off his hate & smacked me with it across the face real hard. Let me tell you that badge on the front of their hats f#cken hurts when it gets whacked across your face.

He then grabbed me by the nipple & started abusing me "you lil wogs blah blah'. I know a nipple cripple may sound funny but when you're a 13 year old kid & theres a 6 foot tall, full grown man towering over you, it's f#cken terrifying.

I'm not saying their all crooked, to generalize is always f#cken retarted. However, in my experience i've only ever received hostility & racism from the Police.

In my neighborhood when something is wrong, we don't call them cos it usually gets flipped on us.

[Reed]

Man another essay, glad you do all that. Yes politics are apart of it and I know the background but you never even remotely talk about anything related to it. Day-in and day-out its about politics that you know damn well do not relate to the topic. Yeah go ahead and try to tie it in all together. But when was the last time you helped new members, yes thats plural. I know for one thing my heart and passion is directly related to the creation of this board and thats why I do try and help out on a regular basis, yours however is not. The last time we argued I buried you in facts and you resorted to your opinions and we never got anywhere. Look up the definition of insanity, its a little like running in circles

[Bojangles69]

Cry mee a riverrrr.

Racial profiling exists for a reason. Same reason we profile pitbulls as more aggressive and african bees as more aggressive compared to european bees.

It exists in all of nature, in human behavoir, and its REAL.
Watch cops, you'll see black cops profile just as much if not more then the white cops because they KNOW some shits going down with the brothers.

Little facts of life we're suppose to learn to accept when we're 12, not complain about till we're dead.

[Johnny_Rotten]

^^^You're a moron.

So basically you're saying cos i'm not white i'm more liable to be violent?

Idiot! Hurry back to your Klan rally.

[thegodfather]

Man another essay, glad you do all that. Yes politics are apart of it and I know the background but you never even remotely talk about anything related to it. Day-in and day-out its about politics that you know damn well do not relate to the topic. Yeah go ahead and try to tie it in all together. But when was the last time you helped new members, yes thats plural. I know for one thing my heart and passion is directly related to the creation of this board and thats why I do try and help out on a regular basis, yours however is not. The last time we argued I buried you in facts and you resorted to your opinions and we never got anywhere. Look up the definition of insanity, its a little like running in circles

Lol can I have the link to that one...

[Reed]

Lol can I have the link to that one...

You know as well as I do that it was deleted. Hmmm kinda funny, dont you think?

[Reed]

thegodfather: But for real though man I don't want to argue with you anymore about anything political. You have been here much longer than I and have much more friends than I do. I went through your threads and even came across some and I'm worried that I'll be banned for my political views. Just let me do what I came here to do and that is to discuss bodybuilding and to help others as well, this is what I love to do. If my assumptions are wrong and I'm worried for no reason than hopefully we can both go about our business.

[5ifthCitizen]

bump for all drunk cops

haha lol best post of all time

[5ifthCitizen]

lol ur serious. that makes it even better.

personally my story is this...

ive lived in several states all over the U.S.

i have lived in every region in the country. however, after moving to a particular west coast state, i have found problems with law enforcement.

since living here i have had:

1. my auto broken into twice and belongings adding to nearly $1000 stolen from it.

2. my residence broken into twice an belongings adding to about $1500 stolen from it.

3. a particular auto stolen from me worth $6000.

4. a family member's auto stolen worth $20,000

I have never had anything stolen IN ANY OTHER STATE THAT I HAVE LIVED IN ALL OVER THE U.S.

guess what? how many of those things have been recovered?

ZERO

how many other people have a story like this?

so while cops are working their asses off convicting people of crimes that aren't hurting the general public and letting people go who commit violent crimes.... i am left stuck with this sh^t

too many cop bashing threads...


i don't think so

[sooners04]

cops dont follow up on shit cuz they are like the people living off the goverment there lazy public servant= public assistance from tax payers lazy ****s driving arounf=d wasting gas money.

Well guess what, cops pay taxes too, so does that mean they are self-employed. Im tired of that line. Teachers are also payed by taxes and there are plenty of shithead teachers out there going to jail for having sex with underage kids, I see no bashing of them? If you guys had a clue on what it takes to solve a burglary/theft you would realize that your comments are ignorant. Unless there is a witness that sees and that knows the suspect and or video evidence it's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to track down a thief. Here is where you insert the "fingerprints" card that you see on T.V. Truth is especially when it comes to a burglary of a residence is that the homeowners fingerprints are ALL over their house, the time and MONEY that it would take to fingerprint EVERYTHING and decipher which fingerprints are the owners and which are friends of the owners or relatives or suspects is just not practical. It comes down more to MONEY and 99% of the departments don't have the funds or man power to solve EVERY theft/burglary that happens.

[thegodfather]

Well guess what, cops pay taxes too, so does that mean they are self-employed. Im tired of that line. Teachers are also payed by taxes and there are plenty of shithead teachers out there going to jail for having sex with underage kids, I see no bashing of them? If you guys had a clue on what it takes to solve a burglary/theft you would realize that your comments are ignorant. Unless there is a witness that sees and that knows the suspect and or video evidence it's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to track down a thief. Here is where you insert the "fingerprints" card that you see on T.V. Truth is especially when it comes to a burglary of a residence is that the homeowners fingerprints are ALL over their house, the time and MONEY that it would take to fingerprint EVERYTHING and decipher which fingerprints are the owners and which are friends of the owners or relatives or suspects is just not practical. It comes down more to MONEY and 99% of the departments don't have the funds or man power to solve EVERY theft/burglary that happens.

I solved a burglary before...The 'suspect' was staring down the end of my 12 gauge as he tried kicking in my back door in the middle of the day...

Lol just messin with ya bro...This has been quite a thread, thats a true story though...

[sooners04]

I solved a burglary before...The 'suspect' was staring down the end of my 12 gauge as he tried kicking in my back door in the middle of the day...

Lol just messin with ya bro...This has been quite a thread, thats a true story though...

Don't blame ya there, I'd do the same and as Im sure you know, there is no problem with that as far as the law goes.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Big Group Hug Guys!

[MuscleSportMag]

You really took the last part of my comments completely out of context. I was not commenting on this particular video in any way. The force continium was brought up to indicate that in the previous videos, of the innocent bicycle rider being knocked from his bike by the officer, and of the handcuffed suspect being kicked and beaten, there was no use of force warranted. The officer in THIS video, had the right to shoot the suspect the moment he brandished a weapon and became a threat to the officers life. I dont think anyone was questioning the fact that deadly force was warranted in that particular case.

To summarize most of these points... The issue I have in particular is with the idea that assaulting disarmed suspects is somehow acceptable in any way. In actuality, all arrested persons are innocent until proven guilty, and if force is used at any point after they have been effectively detained, it then becomes a criminal act. There is no reason that police officers should be subject to 'special laws' which in any other setting would land all of us 'ordinary citizens' in jail.

I am not an advocate for criminals. I am an advocate for the Constitution and the protections for which it provides every man, woman, and child in this country against abusive government and the violation of our God given unalienable rights.

I'm not surprised by this response though. Now days we are tought to believe that anyone who believes in the Constitution is a nut, conspiracy theorist, a liberal, a *****, unpatriotic, or a traitor. Nothing could be further from the truth.

But aren't police officers part of that Constitution, whether they are on duty or (more importantly) off duty? An off duty cop will get fried if he takes action in a personal matter.

Example: Officer Krupkie has white trash neighbors that constantly annoy him and his family. While on his day off (probably a Tuesday, unlike most of the world who have off every weekend), said neighbor is having a loud argument with the mother of one of his children (of course these animals aren't married). When it spills onto the front lawn, off-duty Officer Krupkie is doing some gardening and begins to see what is happening. He intervenes by telling his neighbor to "knock it off," which causes Mr. Trailer Park to turn his anger towards the "goody-two-shoes cop that lives next door." The neighbor charges the cop, who ducks his punch and fires one back, which causes a minor physical injury.

Now, the "load that should have been swallowed" picks himself up, calls the local police and when they arrive, his wife - who he was going to beat the crap out of before the intervention by Krupkie - goes down on the report as a witness against Krupkie. Both of them blame the off-duty cop for inflaming the situation and taking improper police action during an ongoing dispute between neighbors.

Internal Affairs are contacted, Krupkie gets his gun and badge taken from him while he sits round and waits for this to get cleared up. The neighbors are granted an Order of Protection against Krupkie, who is being wrongly blamed for what he did.

Now, using that same hypothetical situation, Krupkie is not an off-duty cop, but a stock broker. When the white trash neighbor calls the cops after taking a punch, they see it for what it really is and tell Mr. Trash to watch himself before his neighbor really kicks is ass the next time he becomes involved in a domestic dispute. Krupkie is lauded for breaking up a potential wife beating and enjoy a cup of coffee and a few donuts with the cops at his kitchen table before they resume patrol.

I hope that you understand my point - that cops are also citizens when they're off and should enjoy those same rights. But the police dept. rules outweigh everything else. I'm sure that you never looked at it from that angle.

[gixxerboy1]

But aren't police officers part of that Constitution, whether they are on duty or (more importantly) off duty? An off duty cop will get fried if he takes action in a personal matter.

Example: Officer Krupkie has white trash neighbors that constantly annoy him and his family. While on his day off (probably a Tuesday, unlike most of the world who have off every weekend), said neighbor is having a loud argument with the mother of one of his children (of course these animals aren't married). When it spills onto the front lawn, off-duty Officer Krupkie is doing some gardening and begins to see what is happening. He intervenes by telling his neighbor to "knock it off," which causes Mr. Trailer Park to turn his anger towards the "goody-two-shoes cop that lives next door." The neighbor charges the cop, who ducks his punch and fires one back, which causes a minor physical injury.

Now, the "load that should have been swallowed" picks himself up, calls the local police and when they arrive, his wife - who he was going to beat the crap out of before the intervention by Krupkie - goes down on the report as a witness against Krupkie. Both of them blame the off-duty cop for inflaming the situation and taking improper police action during an ongoing dispute between neighbors.

Internal Affairs are contacted, Krupkie gets his gun and badge taken from him while he sits round and waits for this to get cleared up. The neighbors are granted an Order of Protection against Krupkie, who is being wrongly blamed for what he did.

Now, using that same hypothetical situation, Krupkie is not an off-duty cop, but a stock broker. When the white trash neighbor calls the cops after taking a punch, they see it for what it really is and tell Mr. Trash to watch himself before his neighbor really kicks is ass the next time he becomes involved in a domestic dispute. Krupkie is lauded for breaking up a potential wife beating and enjoy a cup of coffee and a few donuts with the cops at his kitchen table before they resume patrol.

I hope that you understand my point - that cops are also citizens when they're off and should enjoy those same rights. But the police dept. rules outweigh everything else. I'm sure that you never looked at it from that angle.

if you honestly believe that you are crazy. First off cops cover for each other. Second i had a off duty cop pull a gone on me drunk. He thought i was hitting on his wife and got pissed.

[MuscleSportMag]

if you honestly believe that you are crazy. First off cops cover for each other. Second i had a off duty cop pull a gone on me drunk. He thought i was hitting on his wife and got pissed.

No doubt, cops do cover for one another. But there are circumstances (shaky patrol cop, sergeant on scene, etc.) when that becomes a problem, especially when the 'complainant' is bitching and moaning that he "wants that cop who hit me locked up."

Probably a lot more times than not, that is the case, such as when that guy showed you his gun. The cops that showed up were able to shit-can the job, and it went away quietly. But there are many times when the cops that show up don't want to get themselves in any sort of trouble, so they call the boss to the scene. That's where most of the problems begin. So, yea, I agree with your point to a certain degree, but it is not an exact science.