legalize it???

**Got Gear?** · 04-10-2003, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by Terinox
You know what, let me put it this way. If weed IS legalized, and steroids are not, then we are living in ONE FUCKED UP WORLD! It makes no sense why one should and the other not. Enough weed taken can seriously harm your body and even kill you correct?

So why then shouldn't steroids be legalized, as long as you are being monitored by a doctor, and have to pay a high price for it?!

Bottom line, PERSONALLY, I think, they should BOTH be illegal, as they are now (we can still get our hands on it). However, if weed IS legallized, then SO should steroids!!!

Honestly, I don't think ANY drug should be illegal.

If you want to fuck up your body by taking drugs, it should be your choice, not the governments. Tho I don't know if this would apply to addictive drugs as people addicted to drugs often start effecting others in a negative way (stealing to pay for their dope).

It's part of my general philosophy which I believe America was founded on, but is straying farther and farther from every day. Basically the principle of FREEDOM! Freedom being defined as "having the ability to do whatever one wishes so long as these activities do not effect another person or another person's property".

So in a phrase "If it doesn't hurt anyone beside the person doing it, it should be legal"

Seatbelt laws are a great example! I don't think it should be illegal to not wear a seatbelt. Sure, fines for kids not wearing belts, but I think if your old enough to make that decision, you should be able to make it.

**Terinox** · 04-10-2003, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Got Gear?

Honestly, I don't think ANY drug should be illegal.

If you want to fuck up your body by taking drugs, it should be your choice, not the governments. Tho I don't know if this would apply to addictive drugs as people addicted to drugs often start effecting others in a negative way (stealing to pay for their dope).

It's part of my general philosophy which I believe America was founded on, but is straying farther and farther from every day. Basically the principle of FREEDOM! Freedom being defined as "having the ability to do whatever one wishes so long as these activities do not effect another person or another person's property".

So in a phrase "If it doesn't hurt anyone beside the person doing it, it should be legal"

Seatbelt laws are a great example! I don't think it should be illegal to not wear a seatbelt. Sure, fines for kids not wearing belts, but I think if your old enough to make that decision, you should be able to make it.

I get what you mean bro. Last semester I took a "Law & Morality" course in university. Exact same types of topics. We discussed pornography too. About how if it is done in your own private home, and it does not harm others in anyway, then why should it be illegal (with the exception of things like child porn, snuff, etc...).

**tolinka** · 04-10-2003, 07:18 PM

It fuckes with your memory for sure, but its my choice to do it.

**RayL** · 04-10-2003, 11:28 PM

hercules88, I think read an article about that study years ago. I think the subjects were farmers in some country in South America. I have no point

**fLgAtOr** · 04-12-2003, 03:26 PM

I couldn't resist this one...

First, I will say that after 5 years, I have officially decided to quit smoking. Although it sucks, I feel good about my decision and have money to spend on other things, like alcoh...I mean, tuna. With that said....

I think it should be legalized.

I think someone else mentioned it, but the problem in society today (not just drug users) is a LACK OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS. Look outside the drug issue for a sec... I think that 80% of that population cannot handle alcohol, cigarettes, pot, or their own day to day activities. They also can't handle DRIVING either. How many fucked up incidents with cars are NOT relatated to drugs (road rage)? People filing lawsuits becuase they were to fucking stupid to drive and have a cup of BK coffee. Suing (sp?) McD's becasue they got fat (thankfully it got kicked out)? People who are so fucking blind and deaf but still demand to have the "right" to drive. Why do you still get in the car after drinking? Basically, I am bitching about society in general.

Now this may sound like a argument for not legalizing, I am speaking on my own personal behalf. I am quiting for a job. But at the same time, when I worked there before, I smoked. I was a certifiable pothead. I was also one of the best damn emplyees they ever had. I know that there is a time to relax and get high; and there's a time to be sober. There's a time to do school, and theres a time to not. There's a time to drive, and theres not. See my point??!?!

Legalize it. Grow it. Tax it. And spend that money on keeping my friends from dying in cars with drunk drivers... Damn, why can't everyone just grow up?!?!?

**fLgAtOr** · 04-12-2003, 03:34 PM

Ok so I was ranting...

But seriously... When big brother decides to crack down, I have a hard time trying to find a bag. Whatever... But at the same time, two of my friends died and two hurt in a alcohol related accident. At the same time, if I wanted to buy some candy, I knew where to find it. At the same time, one of my boys tried H. Where are the gov.'s priorities??? Why does shit like this STILL happen???

Gov. grows it...Cheap.
Tax it.
Spend the tax and the money that's used to screw potheads keep that other shit OUT OF MY COUNTRY and my friends out of cars....

~~Peace~~

**MDMA** · 04-12-2003, 09:31 PM

Question 9 didnt pass in NV by a long shot. I was pisssed....... cuz I might happen to live around there

**Jackman** · 04-12-2003, 09:33 PM

My point is i think they should legalize it because if it is or isnt legal peeps are guna do it no matter what so It might as well be goverment regulated and then the money wont just go to some drug lord

**novicemarine** · 04-18-2003, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Got Gear?
I think it should be legalized with the same rules as alcohol.

For me, it mostly comes down to my personal rights/freedoms. If I'm not hurting anyone else, why can't I own and smoke pot?

I mean, there's no need for mountain climbing. And people put themselves at risk when they do it.. so should mountain climbing also be illegal? Some people like adrenalyn highs, some like chemical.

hmm... Good point as far as rights concerning yourself. But I'm not worried about a mountain climber crapping in my tacos (on my cheat days of course) or more seriously, having any effect on the community. The problem with drugs is people don't just do them at home/in privacy (or stay there to enjoy the effects). Almost nothing would be a problem if everyone did it in seclusion. That's the nice thing about illegalizing most of it, so they're more likely to go the hell away if they're going to make themselves incompetent. Now, pot is a different subject, because the mind alteration is minimal in comparison with other drugs. But one thing leads to another as mentioned before. I don't really care what people do with their bodies; I know my rights and if one of them becomes to smoke pot, I guess I'll just miss out on the opportunity. Oh well. The only thing with pot is that it can impede development of anterior division of the cerebral hemisphere obviously only in underdeveloped brains (younger than 20 or so I think) as I'm sure some of the doctors could concur with. Actually, roughly what age does is the frontal lobe finished developing?

**monstercojones** · 06-01-2003, 10:57 PM

morally im for legalization. i see no moral basis for making it illegal. but as far as whats good for soceity? thats a tough question. Socrates was right when he said that the people will fuck up when allowed to rule themselves democratically. 'the masses' are too stupid and easily manipulated to make proper decisions. think about it. we all drink coke. we all eat mcdonalds.

everyone wants a fast car, a big house and as many beautiful sex partners as possible. why do you want these things? is it because you really enjoy them? or because you've been told to desire and value them?

smoking doesnt really impair thought IMO. i have horrible ADD-ADHD to the point that it effects my life and blazing lets me concentrate on one thing instead of 10. i can keep track of them all, but its mentally exhausting to always have so many thoughts flying around. pot really makes my mind function in a much better way.

**monstercojones** · 06-01-2003, 11:00 PM

very nice discussion by the way. thanks for staying mature and keeping up an intelligent discourse. thats why AR is the best board.

**flexgolf** · 06-02-2003, 08:28 AM

id like to see someone start a pros and cons list

**Money Boss Hustla** · 06-02-2003, 02:42 PM

Any drug can be developed into the gateway theory.

Steroids lead to a better body...which leads to women liking you...which leads you to going to bars to find these women...which leads you into drinking, partying...partying gets harder and you try coke...you start doing coke on a regular basis.

You can manipulate the gateway theory any which way from Sunday. The individual is the variable...and progession with drugs may not exist with some individuals. I personally think the gateway theory is flawed because you cannot predict the variable.

Legalize it and tax the shit out of it. Why not better your social structure/system with the profits from pot heads...versus spending billions trying to fight it.

**Tock** · 11-22-2003, 01:27 AM

One of the most persuasive arguments for decriminalizing drugs is terrorism . . . Seems that more and more terrorists these days are getting their $$$ from the drug trade. Geez, in Columbia, just about the whole damn country is parylized by armed drug traffickers, politicans are corrupted by drug money, and they've got arms deals going on, and the whole country is a mess--because of the US black market for drugs. Take away the profit for the terrorists, you de-fang the terrorists, it's easier to squash the mfers.

The thing to do is to get the US gov't to start with cannibas . . . make it legal to use and sell, maybe the way they do in European countries, and see how that goes. In the process, you'll free up a quarter of the US criminal system which deals with MJ offenses, de-fund the underworld, and stop hassling people for small amounts of grass.

Yah . . . vote for me, and there will be a chicken in every pot, and pot in every chicken . . . heh heh . . .

But really and truly, this war on drugs is useless . . . and we've started to get an entire section of government bureaucracy dependant on the drug war--it's in a lot of law enforcement interests to keep the stuff illegal, 'cause if it ain't, a lot of prison guards and corporations that provide prison services (Wackenhut) will lose a lot of $$$.

Oh yah, there's lots of good reasons not to vote for politicians who support the war on drugs.

**nevaenuf** · 11-22-2003, 02:25 AM

I dont care if it is legal or not. The only munchies I get come from eq.

**Bigboy123** · 11-22-2003, 09:55 AM

Legalizing pot would work but, younger kids would abuze it. But i agree that there is no harm to the society by a pothead. on the other hand, a raging alchoholic has a more negative effect on the society. Pot could be legalized if it was moderatly monitored. FUCK IT, LETS GET HIGH....

**Tock** · 11-22-2003, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Bigboy123

Legalizing pot would work but, younger kids would abuze it.

But i agree that there is no harm to the society by a pothead. on the other hand, a raging alchoholic has a more negative effect on the society. Pot could be legalized if it was moderatly monitored. FUCK IT, LETS GET HIGH....

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Yeah, but younger kids abuze it now and it's illegal. Better to legalize it, sell it through licensed outlets (similar to liquor stores) and card people for the 21 legal age than what we got now . . . plus tax the stuff (send the extra $$ to pay for schools & stuff instead of financing terrorists), and quit arresting people for it . . .
Oh yah, I like it . . .
I hear they make MJ chewing gum in Europe . . . the day it's legal I'll give a gum party hosted by our good friend Mary Jane. Papers provided to the "roll yer own" crowd.

No sense in voting for politicians who won't decriminialize common ordinary household stuff . . .

**TheDfromGC** · 11-22-2003, 02:49 PM

i dont know about u guys but i cannot drive for shit when blown out and i dont even attempt to. the thing is im sure theres alot of other people like me who also cant drive at all but they will drive anyway and that could lead to problems....

**nj123** · 11-22-2003, 04:39 PM

im 17 and can drive perfectly fine when driving high... shit for that matter i can drive perfectly while gettin high(nothin better than a late night cruise).. i think it should be legal..

**markas214** · 11-22-2003, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by samoth

No, pot is a drug, it has negative effects, causes inebriation, I really don't see why people need drugs to cope with life. Contrary to popular belief that there is a conspiracy against common people, or the belief that the government is being 'mean', there is a reason pot is illegal. Like we need groups of high school kids smoking pot instead of cigarettes. And yes, I'm sure people can rationalize using pot. People can rationalize snorting crack, too. Bottom line is, we are better without it.

As if that's not happening now. Prohibition does not work and the cost of prohibition far exceeds legal pot which could also be taxed. In th ER all of the accident cases we see are in which a substance is to blame involve legal alcohol and almost entirely people over 21. Pot simply does not effct the nervous system to the degree of alcohol.