Sowell: Obama Win Would Be Historic Tragedy

**BgMc31** · 10-31-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by KZRSOIZE

We are doomed if Osama wins.... The Rise of the United Socialist States of America

http://objllc.com/USSA.htm

I didn't know OSAMA was running! From what I read OBAMA was running, am I mistaken?

Save your bullshit scare tactics for the sheep!

**DeputyLoneWolf** · 10-31-2008, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by firmechicano831

If McCain was that good as everyone thinks he is. He would of made his mark when he was vice president. He didn't accomplish anything that I could remember? can anyone here?

So when was McCain Vice President? I did read that right didn't I?

People like you should not vote let alone comment on this topic!

**firmechicano831** · 10-31-2008, 09:35 PM

LOL, its all good I've been working to much to get my shit straight. I could get owned but OBAMA is still winning. I still got a masters degree in Business Finance and I still make over 15k a month. LAUGHT THAT SHIT OUT!

7up:

**Panzerfaust** · 10-31-2008, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by firmechicano831

LOL, its all good I've been working to much to get my shit straight. I could get owned but OBAMA is still winning. I still got a masters degree in Business Finance and I still make over 15k a month. LAUGHT THAT SHIT OUT!

7up:

Yeah, that makes you a man. /sarcasm

**firmechicano831** · 10-31-2008, 09:48 PM

OK guys, i was flamming but the truth is that no matter who wins. We will still be left behind and no one will care about us. So who gives a shit who wins! All we can do is continue to work and try to live a happy and healthy life.

**MuscleScience** · 10-31-2008, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by firmechicano831

OK guys, i was flamming but the truth is that no matter who wins. We will still be left behind and no one will care about us. So who gives a shit who wins! All we can do is continue to work and try to live a happy and healthy life.

The problem is the bigger the government gets the harder it is for the common working man to live a happy and healthy life.

***G-1000*** · 10-31-2008, 10:08 PM

I like how they are and will continue busing the poor ass MTF that dont have cars or means of transportation to the voting polls.

Ya like there vote should be count worth a shit. There is a good chance this asshole may get into office just by the uneducated, low life, trailer trash scum bag voters.

***G-1000*** · 10-31-2008, 10:09 PM

SVT i know you have more to say then just that. Lets hear it.

**Strategus** · 10-31-2008, 10:31 PM

Re-read your Constitution. One person, one vote.

Originally Posted by G-1000

I like how they are and will continue busing the poor ass MTF that dont have cars or means of transportation to the voting polls.

Ya like there vote should be count worth a shit. There is a good chance this asshole may get into office just by the uneducated, low life, trailer trash scum bag voters.

***G-1000*** · 10-31-2008, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by firmechicano831

OK guys, i was flamming but the truth is that no matter who wins. We will still be left behind and no one will care about us. So who gives a shit who wins! All we can do is continue to work and try to live a happy and healthy life.

You should smart ass. If you make as much as you say you do. Obama is going to ass fvck the shit out of you on taxes.

**Voice of Reason** · 10-31-2008, 11:05 PM

Just a 2 party prison...

**gst528i** · 11-01-2008, 12:31 AM

Why do black people think obama is black? because of skin color?...... His upbringing, his surroundings, his religios beliefs, his background. All that doesn't have black in him.
Oh well either way... i mean
I don't even know who to vote for .. mccain or obama... either way .. we are in trouble....

**gst528i** · 11-01-2008, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by G-1000

You should smart ass. If you make as much as you say you do. Obama is going to ass fvck the shit out of you on taxes.

lol seriously... i would be cashing out all my money if i were you..making 15k a month .. you should see some of that go to welfare

.......
I shut down my car dealership... and i shut down my car store....
How can obama say most buisness don't make over 250,000 dollars...
Makes no sense. Buisness grow, they multiply and not everyone wants to have multiple licenses and dba's.
Oh well..
we shall see the outcome..

**Alex Rodriguez** · 11-01-2008, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by B.E.N.

I always love this retort and then blaming it only on Bush. Yeah...Bush single handly hurt the economy.

Most people don't realize that Clinton sign and lobbied for the bill that deregulated the financial sector helping to create this mess. Clinton also started the the motions for the foreign policy strategy of regime change in Iraq.

I am tired of all the scapegoating going one in America. The truth is you can't pin blame for a trillion dollar economy on one person, one party, or one administration. It took many hands to create the situation we are in today, citizens of the US included.

I'd rather hear about what the plans are to climb out...

AHEM COUGH COUGH under bill clinton the united states reached its greatest economic peak ever

**Alex Rodriguez** · 11-01-2008, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by dtr98

Sowell: Obama Win Would Be Historic Tragedy

Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:07 PM

By: Thomas Sowell

Some elections are routine, some are important, and some are historic. If Sen. John McCain wins this election, it probably will go down in history as routine. But if Sen. Barack Obama wins, it is more likely to be historic � and catastrophic.

Once the election is over, the glittering generalities of rhetoric and style will mean nothing. Everything will depend on performance in facing huge challenges, domestic and foreign.

Performance is where Obama has nothing to show for his political career, either in Illinois or in Washington.

Policies he proposes under the change banner are almost all policies that have been tried repeatedly in other countries � and failed repeatedly in other countries.

Politicians telling businesses how to operate? That's been tried in countries around the world, especially during the second half of the 20th century. It has failed so often and so badly that even socialist and communist governments were freeing up their markets by the end of the century.

The economies of China and India began to take off into high rates of growth when they got rid of precisely the kinds of policies that Obama is advocating for the United States under the magic mantra of change.

Putting restrictions on international trade in order to save jobs at home? That was tried here with the Hawley-Smoot tariff during the Great Depression.

Unemployment was 9 percent when that tariff was passed to save jobs, but unemployment went up instead of down and reached 25 percent before the decade was over.

Higher taxes to "spread the wealth around," as Obama puts it? The idea of redistributing wealth has turned into the reality of redistributing poverty, in countries where wealth has fled and a lack of incentives has stifled the production of new wealth.

Economic disasters, however, may pale by comparison with the catastrophe of Iran with nuclear weapons. Glib rhetoric about Iran�s being "a small country," as Obama called it, will be a bitter irony for Americans who will have to live in the shadow of a nuclear threat that cannot be deterred, as that of the Soviet Union could be, by the threat of a nuclear counterattack.

Suicidal fanatics cannot be deterred. If they are willing to die and we are not, then we are at their mercy � and they have no mercy. Moreover, once they get nuclear weapons, that situation cannot be reversed.

Is this the legacy we wish to leave our children and grandchildren, by voting on the basis of style and symbolism, rather than substance?

If Barack Obama thinks that such a catastrophe can be avoided by sitting down and talking with the leaders of Iran, then he is repeating a fallacy that helped bring on World War II.

In a nuclear age, one country does not have to send troops to occupy another country to conquer it. A country is conquered if another country can dictate who rules it, as the Mongols once did with Russia, and as Osama bin Laden tried to do when he threatened retaliation against places in the United States that voted for President Bush. But he didn't have nuclear weapons to back up that threat � yet.

America has never been a conquered country, so it may be very hard for most Americans even to conceive what that can mean. After France was conquered in 1940, it was reduced to turning over some of its own innocent citizens to the Nazis to kill, just because those citizens were Jewish.

Do you think our leaders wouldn't do that? Not even if the alternative was to see New York and Los Angeles go up in mushroom clouds? If I were Jewish, I wouldn't bet my life on that.

What the Middle East fanatics want is not just our resources or even our lives, but our humiliation first, in whatever sadistic ways they can think of. Their lust for humiliation has been demonstrated repeatedly in their videotaped beheadings that find such an eager market in the Middle East.

None of this can be prevented by glib talk, but only by character, courage, and decisive actions, none of which Obama has ever demonstrated.

Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, Stanford, Calif. 94305.

mccain sucks anyways here goes my rant

the only "news media" that posts that crap up bout black people voting for him based solely on skin color is fox news... fox news sucks, its all lies and filth, bill o riely sucks, sean hannity def sucks balls. and alan combes is a total *****... look dudes im sure there are just as many if not more redneck dipshits who would vote for mccain based on skin color alone as well. obama is hardly socialist... and btw socialist is not communism... communism is an extreme form of socialism... and socialism is a less extreme democractic form of it... btw did u know that sarah palin is prolly going to be the worlds worst vice president there is, if mccain gets elected, infact i will go so far to say that basicly if sarah palin becomes vice president, she will pretty much have no say in policies, etc cuz she nos nothin boot them, she will only do what other people tell her to do.

i do understand barrack obama doesn't have much experience, but i think he will surround himself with people who do have experience, and he'll be good at making the right choices and choosing the right ppl.

btw did i ever tell u if he does become elected then he will prolly set laws for steroids that make u spend 5 billion years in prison for only one vial?

btw

only bout 10% of the united states is black

90% is white, etc.

im sure there are a helluva a lot more red neck white douchebag trash who would vote for mccain based on skin color alone, then ghetto crips and bloods voting for obama based on skin color..

quit it with the racism guys!

**gst528i** · 11-01-2008, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by Alex Rodriguez

mccain sucks anyways here goes my rant

the only "news media" that posts that crap up bout black people voting for him based solely on skin color is fox news... fox news sucks, its all lies and filth, bill o riely sucks, sean hannity def sucks balls. and alan combes is a total *****... look dudes im sure there are just as many if not more redneck dipshits who would vote for mccain based on skin color alone as well. obama is hardly socialist... and btw socialist is not communism... communism is an extreme form of socialism... and socialism is a less extreme democractic form of it... btw did u know that sarah palin is prolly going to be the worlds worst vice president there is, if mccain gets elected, infact i will go so far to say that basicly if sarah palin becomes vice president, she will pretty much have no say in policies, etc cuz she nos nothin boot them, she will only do what other people tell her to do.

i do understand barrack obama doesn't have much experience, but i think he will surround himself with people who do have experience, and he'll be good at making the right choices and choosing the right ppl.

btw did i ever tell u if he does become elected then he will prolly set laws for steroids that make u spend 5 billion years in prison for only one vial?

btw

only bout 10% of the united states is black

90% is white, etc.

im sure there are a helluva a lot more red neck white douchebag trash who would vote for mccain based on skin color alone, then ghetto crips and bloods voting for obama based on skin color..

quit it with the racism guys!

Where in the world do you get your statistics??? (90 percent white 10 percent back)???

And besides i don't think most guys in here don't really talk about racism..

***G-1000*** · 11-01-2008, 07:37 AM

Wow some of you guys need to start with the basics.

Go read McCains and Obamas Bio. Then come back and post.

Then when your done with that Do the same for Palin and Biden.

**zimmy** · 11-01-2008, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by firmechicano831

If McCain was that good as everyone thinks he is. He would of made his mark when he was vice president. He didn't accomplish anything that I could remember? can anyone here?

Think you for making the point why people should be required to take a test or something showing they are knowledgable about something other than what tv tells them to vote. Never a vp!

**firmechicano831** · 11-01-2008, 10:23 AM

G-100. Remember if you make good money you hire the best CPA available and like Obama said. The system has two many loop holes already for the people that make over 250k. Example in real life, the most I've had to pay in taxes was 20k and I reported 478k in income. Last year I only paid 2k and made over 140k. Why you ask? Get a good CPA and write everything ****ing off, thats what I do.

**zimmy** · 11-01-2008, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Alex Rodriguez

mccain sucks anyways here goes my rant

the only "news media" that posts that crap up bout black people voting for him based solely on skin color is fox news... fox news sucks, its all lies and filth, bill o riely sucks, sean hannity def sucks balls. and alan combes is a total *****... look dudes im sure there are just as many if not more redneck dipshits who would vote for mccain based on skin color alone as well. obama is hardly socialist... and btw socialist is not communism... communism is an extreme form of socialism... and socialism is a less extreme democractic form of it... btw did u know that sarah palin is prolly going to be the worlds worst vice president there is, if mccain gets elected, infact i will go so far to say that basicly if sarah palin becomes vice president, she will pretty much have no say in policies, etc cuz she nos nothin boot them, she will only do what other people tell her to do.

i do understand barrack obama doesn't have much experience, but i think he will surround himself with people who do have experience, and he'll be good at making the right choices and choosing the right ppl.

btw did i ever tell u if he does become elected then he will prolly set laws for steroids that make u spend 5 billion years in prison for only one vial?

btw

only bout 10% of the united states is black

90% is white, etc.

im sure there are a helluva a lot more red neck white douchebag trash who would vote for mccain based on skin color alone, then ghetto crips and bloods voting for obama based on skin color..

quit it with the racism guys!

Dude...the scary thing is she will have ALOT of responsibility. The VP heads up alot. CHeck it

**Diary of a Mad-man** · 11-01-2008, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by firmechicano831

If McCain was that good as everyone thinks he is. He would of made his mark when he was vice president. He didn't accomplish anything that I could remember? can anyone here?

LOLOLOLOL!!!! Typical uneducated Obama voter.

Yeah, deny that 90% of black people vote for him because he is black. Ok......

Its always funny when people who cant get their own shit together want to run YOUR life. Nice post man. LOL
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Why do black people vote democrat? They have voted that way for years and the Dems haven't solved any of their problems yet.

This is because the Democrats WILL NEVER solve any of their problems. Making the problems go away will mean that all of the solutions (Jesse JAckson, Rev. Sharpton), will be out of a job. They stir up race issues to stay in business.

I have never heard so much racial hatred from black people as I have this past few months. TV and real life. Your true colors as a culture are really starting to show.

**Diary of a Mad-man** · 11-01-2008, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Alex Rodriguez

AHEM COUGH COUGH under bill clinton the united states reached its greatest economic peak ever

Bill Clinton INHERITED the strongest economy ever from Ronald Reagen/GHWBush. Then the internet was invented (thank you Al Gore) and the Economy really started to haul ass.

If you or I got in office in 1992, the economy would still have done pretty damned good.

I know you know this, but it hurts to admit the truth. You people dont have one fact or stat that isnt spun around bull shit.

**Diary of a Mad-man** · 11-01-2008, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by firmechicano831

LOL, its all good I've been working to much to get my shit straight. I could get owned but OBAMA is still winning. I still got a masters degree in Business Finance and I still make over 15k a month. LAUGHT THAT SHIT OUT!

7up:

LOL you've been working too much to know who the vice president was during whatever term you thought he was VP? You must work 34944 hour shifts!

Its really not that hard to know the Presidents and VPs into about the 1940's.

Actually MCcain is ahead by 1% according to Zogby as of this post, and we dont give a shit what credentials you say you have or how much money you make on the internet.

LAUGHT THAT SHIT OUT! 7up?

**Diary of a Mad-man** · 11-01-2008, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by firmechicano831

G-100. Remember if you make good money you hire the best CPA available and like Obama said. The system has two many loop holes already for the people that make over 250k. Example in real life, the most I've had to pay in taxes was 20k and I reported 478k in income. Last year I only paid 2k and made over 140k. Why you ask? Get a good CPA and write everything ****ing off, thats what I do.

This sounds like a 10 year old posing as an adult on the internet, and talking about finances.

Also I cant help but point out, you used TWO instead of TOO. Most people misspell TOO by typing TO, but you are truly one of a kind.

300 posts! (Flexes in the mirror)

**BgMc31** · 11-01-2008, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Diary of a Mad-man

LOLOLOLOL!!!! Typical uneducated Obama voter.

Yeah, deny that 90% of black people vote for him because he is black. Ok......

Its always funny when people who cant get their own shit together want to run YOUR life. Nice post man. LOL
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Why do black people vote democrat? They have voted that way for years and the Dems haven't solved any of their problems yet.

This is because the Democrats WILL NEVER solve any of their problems. Making the problems go away will mean that all of the solutions (Jesse JAckson, Rev. Sharpton), will be out of a job. They stir up race issues to stay in business.

I have never heard so much racial hatred from black people as I have this past few months. TV and real life. Your true colors as a culture are really starting to show.

Another insanely ignorant post!

Blacks vote democrat because the dems support civil rights litigation and social programs that benefit minortities. Republican have opposed just about every civil rights bill since the civil rights era.

As far as our 'true' colors as a culture...lease provide proof of our racism during this election cycle. With the exception of Rev. Wright, I have yet to hear anything coming from blacks about how vehemently racist we are. As a matter of fact, most interviews frome SOME of those from 'Real America', who say outright they won't vote for a black man, are all white. The vast majority of voting blacks have always voted for whites, so where is our racism.

There is a huge difference between voting for someone because of their race (pride) and voting against someone because of their race (racism/hatred/prejudice). If you do not know the difference, you are truly a sad, pathetic, individual.

If anybody's 'true colors' are being shown, dude, it's your's!

**BgMc31** · 11-01-2008, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by gst528i

Why do black people think obama is black? because of skin color?...... His upbringing, his surroundings, his religios beliefs, his background. All that doesn't have black in him.
Oh well either way... i mean
I don't even know who to vote for .. mccain or obama... either way .. we are in trouble....

Please explain what being black is, since apparently you have som misguided idea that all black share our religion, upbringing, etc., 100%.

See it ignorant statements like this that show the level of ignorance on race in this country. But apparently, many still don't believe its a problem...go figure! (sarcasm).

**B.E.N.** · 11-01-2008, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

As I was saying:

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"If he [Obama] doesn't get into office, I'm gonna change my citizenship," he said. "I'm moving back to Africa. You can hold me to that. I'm afraid to live there if he [McCain] is President. The decisions he makes scare me: he's making selfish decisions, he's doing whatever it takes to get into office."

I have not problem sending all the felons to Africa. Worked for the British!

BYE BYE!

**B.E.N.** · 11-01-2008, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Alex Rodriguez

AHEM COUGH COUGH under bill clinton the united states reached its greatest economic peak ever

Oh...is that a fact?

Give me links to LEGIT sources stating that. And a balanced budget does not equal economic peak.

Waiting...

**B.E.N.** · 11-01-2008, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by firmechicano831

Example in real life, the most I've had to pay in taxes was 20k and I reported 478k in income. Last year I only paid 2k and made over 140k. Why you ask? Get a good CPA and write everything ****ing off, thats what I do.

^^ I call bull ^^

And if that is the case I'm sure your audit is forthcoming.

**zimmy** · 11-01-2008, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by BgMc31

Another insanely ignorant post!

Blacks vote democrat because the dems support civil rights litigation and social programs that benefit minortities. Republican have opposed just about every civil rights bill since the civil rights era.

As far as our 'true' colors as a culture...lease provide proof of our racism during this election cycle. With the exception of Rev. Wright, I have yet to hear anything coming from blacks about how vehemently racist we are. As a matter of fact, most interviews frome SOME of those from 'Real America', who say outright they won't vote for a black man, are all white. The vast majority of voting blacks have always voted for whites, so where is our racism.

There is a huge difference between voting for someone because of their race (pride) and voting against someone because of their race (racism/hatred/prejudice). If you do not know the difference, you are truly a sad, pathetic, individual.

If anybody's 'true colors' are being shown, dude, it's your's!

Look up the definition of Racism... there is no difference in "pride" as you put it and normal racism. The motives behind it doesn't matter. Having a different standard for ANYBODY based on their skin tone or gender is discrimination. To vote for a person because they are black, hispanic, asian, male or female is equally wrong whether it is because of hatred / ignorance or because of "pride". If a caucasian were to say "i'm going to vote for McCain because he is a white man and understands me better" it would be considered racist....so to say that it is ok to say "I'm going to vote for Obama because he is black and understands me" is just as racist.

**BgMc31** · 11-01-2008, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by zimmy

Look up the definition of Racism... there is no difference in "pride" as you put it and normal racism. The motives behind it doesn't matter. Having a different standard for ANYBODY based on their skin tone or gender is discrimination. To vote for a person because they are black, hispanic, asian, male or female is equally wrong whether it is because of hatred / ignorance or because of "pride". If a caucasian were to say "i'm going to vote for McCain because he is a white man and understands me better" it would be considered racist....so to say that it is ok to say "I'm going to vote for Obama because he is black and understands me" is just as racist.

I disagree. Where was the outrage when Kennedy garnered a vast majority of Catholic vote, Mitt Romney's Mormon vote, or Bill Richardson's near unanimous Hispanic support when he first announced his candidacy?

Blacks in this election cycle who are voting for Obama SOLELY because he's black has nothing to do with a feeling of superiority or a hatred of whites (the definition of racism). It is a source of pride that for the 1st time in history a person that looks like them has a real shot at this position.

**firmechicano831** · 11-01-2008, 01:13 PM

If you think it's bull let me know if you live in the 831 area in CA. I will be happy to show you some of my houses, cars, bikes, even have a drink together. Let me know!

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 11-01-2008, 01:18 PM

I just love politics!

**firmechicano831** · 11-01-2008, 01:20 PM

**BgMc31** · 11-01-2008, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by firmechicano831

^^hahahahaha!!!!! I can dig it!!!!!!!

**firmechicano831** · 11-01-2008, 01:28 PM

**firmechicano831** · 11-01-2008, 01:44 PM

Lets have fun my brothers! Every here is all tense and shit like their mom or family member was the one running. LOL

**firmechicano831** · 11-01-2008, 01:52 PM

**zimmy** · 11-01-2008, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by BgMc31

I disagree. Where was the outrage when Kennedy garnered a vast majority of Catholic vote, Mitt Romney's Mormon vote, or Bill Richardson's near unanimous Hispanic support when he first announced his candidacy?

Blacks in this election cycle who are voting for Obama SOLELY because he's black has nothing to do with a feeling of superiority or a hatred of whites (the definition of racism). It is a source of pride that for the 1st time in history a person that looks like them has a real shot at this position.

first off...I object to voting on any of those based SOLEY on religion and race. The point isn't why didn't people outrage then? Well they did...those who base there votes on actual issue objected ...the only reason it wasn't a public outrage as loud as it is now...is because this time, a large group of people are OPENLY admitting on a large scale that their vote is based SOLEY on color of skin.

Oh and also... look up your definition of racism... because that is not the only defination. The act of discrimination ties into it...definition of discrimiation is treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit

so racial discrimination = racism basically ...but feel free to call it "pride"

**gst528i** · 11-01-2008, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by firmechicano831

If you think it's bull let me know if you live in the 831 area in CA. I will be happy to show you some of my houses, cars, bikes, even have a drink together. Let me know!

Hey im gonna be in that area if all goes well probably in the next two weeks. Send your phone number.. it would be cool to hangout with someone since i don't know anyone there...