Disrespectful comments about anothers beliefs or faiths will not be tolerated

[Matt]

Well i would like to say this has been fun, see you all tomorrow lol's

[rockinred]

ah, come on now... this isn't the constitution or something...just comply with the rules or if it hurts that bad, just move on. Your freedom is still intact. I am glad that my folks raised me somewhat strict. I never have a too much of a hard time listening to rules. Always makes my life easier and happier,especially when it comes to work. everywhere you go in life there are some rules.... it will be an upward battle if you try to fight all of them everytime you disagree with it. As long as you don't become a puppet or no one is asking you to commit a willful wrong or forcing you....just comply and be cool.

[scibble]

I agree with you but you would have to read this thread no one was fighting it was just disrepectfull.....to some....

no...i agree with you...i was not talking about any thread in particular.

anyway, posting a picture which depicts someone's religion in a bad light, well IMHO, that's just as bad as spouting epithets against their religion.

when all is said and done, i'm happier the mods err on the side of respect for sensitivities of people

[Kale]

I agree with the wizard man. I watch all of these political/religious threads with some interest because I know ultimately they will turn to shit. That is exactly why the Political/Religious forum was deleted a few years ago, and trust me the shit we see in some of these threads today is nothing compared to what went on in that formum, even to the point of death threats.

Its simple, if you break the rules and act like a dick in these threads I will do whatever it takes to have you banned, simple as that. This board is a Dictatorship not a Democracy and if you dont like the rules then go somewhere else.

[scibble]

^^^ word to the herd

[*RAGE*]

I agree with the wizard man. I watch all of these political/religious threads with some interest because I know ultimately they will turn to shit. That is exactly why the Political/Religious forum was deleted a few years ago, and trust me the shit we see in some of these threads today is nothing compared to what went on in that formum, even to the point of death threats.

Its simple, if you break the rules and act like a dick in these threads I will do whatever it takes to have you banned, simple as that. This board is a Dictatorship not a Democracy and if you dont like the rules then go somewhere else.

I agree but I know for a fact as long as you keep it civil you can talk all day long..Thanks kale...

[amcon]

fine lets get one thread where we can just let go ... no one is allowed to get their panties in a bunch (me included) ... if some one doesnt want to participate they know to walk or click away from that thread... just a suggestion

btw i like the threads that get a little heated

[TTexas]

Yes Yes, As long as all you are respectful and conform to my ideas there wont be any trouble

[rockinred]

Yes Yes, As long as all you are respectful and conform to my ideas there wont be any trouble

I really don't see Wizards statement as that.... here is a different version for you....

what I see is that there are many things to talk about and share in a thread like that, just as there are many things to talk about and share in a thread on a different topic. Then some people go waayyy overboard trying to prove their side on their opinion. Even to the point where the same people just continue to post slanderous things on a thread to either get attention or to flat out offend people. I think there is a huge difference and what you are saying is taking it the wrong way.

[Tock]

I had a VERY smart teacher for philsophy and was atheist prior to taking his class which made me agnostic. And he had the craziest way of explaining that atheists believe in a religion just like muslims, christians, jews, etc.

Ya, I've heard those rants about atheism being a religion. Atheism is supposedly a religion because atheists beleive there are no gods. But if a person is an atheist because he is skeptical about the unsubstantiated claims made by nutty people (does god hate fags? Will God take Oral Roberts back if 1,000,000 people don't pledge $1000? Will only 144,000 people make it into Heaven?) then,
1) is he religious because he beleives their ideas are false, or
2) is he wise because he knows that mentally deranged people are prone to making wild-ash rantings such as those?

Me, I've checked out lots of rants from people of lots of religions (including true beleivers of atheism), and all I can say is the thing that makes the most sense to me is determinism (check it out at
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04756c.htm )

Determinism has its flaws (I think), but at least it doesn't attempt to convince me that animals could ever talk (like Baalam's ass, or the Snake to Eve) and of other unlikely "miracles." It makes much more sense, to me anyway, to suppose that what happens in the very next moment is 100% dependant on the conditions that existed in the previous moment.

And he even went as far as saying science itself is a religion, and anyone who believes in science is just as religous as anyone who believes in a prophet.

Ya, I've heard that too, usually from folks who championed creation science.

The deal here is that science is not a religion, but a method of gathering and examining and verifying information. The Scientific Method
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
. . . refers to bodies of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering observable, empirical and measurableevidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[1] A scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.[2]
Although procedures vary from one field of inquiry to another, identifiable features distinguish scientific inquiry from other methodologies of knowledge. Scientific researchers propose hypotheses as explanations of phenomena, and design experimentalstudies to test these hypotheses. These steps must be repeatable in order to dependably predict any future results. Theories that encompass wider domains of inquiry may bind many hypotheses together in a coherent structure. This in turn may help form new hypotheses or place groups of hypotheses into context.
Among other facets shared by the various fields of inquiry is the conviction that the process be objective to reduce a biased interpretation of the results. Another basic expectation is to document, archive and share all data and methodology so they are available for careful scrutiny by other scientists, thereby allowing other researchers the opportunity to verify results by attempting to reproduce them. This practice, called full disclosure, also allows statistical measures of the reliability of these data to be established.

Religion, on the other hand, demands faith (beleif) in what some authority said is indeed true, and anyone who questions the orthodoxy or the source is generally considered a troublemaker.

Science, on one hand, struggles to find a conclusion that explains its evidence. Religion, on the other hand, struggles to find evidence to explain its conclusions.

Like asking what color something was and you say blue, than he'd ask how do you know its blue?
And you say "I learned when I was young"
-Where did you learn?

and he'd keep going back till he actually eliminates the source ever existing in reality. That its you essentially just believing one persons word.

Yep, seen that too. It's just a word game, really, playing with language, questioning the authority of whoever labeled the upper end of the visable spectrum of electromagnetic radiation with the word, "blue."

Truth is, that if you want a reliable source of information concerning medication, bridge engineering, semiconducter manufacturing, physiological data, you would look at information gathered according to the scientific method, before you'd consult the Old Testament. If you wanted to know what sort of nutrition would be best for adding on another 25 lean lbs, you'd check with the folks on this website, who have tried just about everything imaginable, before you'd consult any of the 4 Gospels. If you wanted to learn another language, you'd consult with a master of the language arts before you'd study the Book of Acts, hoping that by doing so you'd be touched with "tongues of fire."

So . . .

Science (knowledge acquired by the scientific method) is more useful for everyday problems. Religion is more useful for things we can't observe or test with our five senses.

I dunno how smart your philosophy teacher was, but I'll bet I'm smarter than he is . . .

[D7M]

Ya, I've heard those rants about atheism being a religion. Atheism is supposedly a religion because atheists beleive there are no gods. But if a person is an atheist because he is skeptical about the unsubstantiated claims made by nutty people (does god hate fags? Will God take Oral Roberts back if 1,000,000 people don't pledge $1000? Will only 144,000 people make it into Heaven?) then,
1) is he religious because he beleives their ideas are false, or
2) is he wise because he knows that mentally deranged people are prone to making wild-ash rantings such as those?

Me, I've checked out lots of rants from people of lots of religions (including true beleivers of atheism), and all I can say is the thing that makes the most sense to me is determinism (check it out at
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04756c.htm )

Determinism has its flaws (I think), but at least it doesn't attempt to convince me that animals could ever talk (like Baalam's ass, or the Snake to Eve) and of other unlikely "miracles." It makes much more sense, to me anyway, to suppose that what happens in the very next moment is 100% dependant on the conditions that existed in the previous moment.






Ya, I've heard that too, usually from folks who championed creation science.

The deal here is that science is not a religion, but a method of gathering and examining and verifying information. The Scientific Method
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
. . . refers to bodies of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering observable, empirical and measurableevidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[1] A scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.[2]
Although procedures vary from one field of inquiry to another, identifiable features distinguish scientific inquiry from other methodologies of knowledge. Scientific researchers propose hypotheses as explanations of phenomena, and design experimentalstudies to test these hypotheses. These steps must be repeatable in order to dependably predict any future results. Theories that encompass wider domains of inquiry may bind many hypotheses together in a coherent structure. This in turn may help form new hypotheses or place groups of hypotheses into context.
Among other facets shared by the various fields of inquiry is the conviction that the process be objective to reduce a biased interpretation of the results. Another basic expectation is to document, archive and share all data and methodology so they are available for careful scrutiny by other scientists, thereby allowing other researchers the opportunity to verify results by attempting to reproduce them. This practice, called full disclosure, also allows statistical measures of the reliability of these data to be established.

Religion, on the other hand, demands faith (beleif) in what some authority said is indeed true, and anyone who questions the orthodoxy or the source is generally considered a troublemaker.

Science, on one hand, struggles to find a conclusion that explains its evidence. Religion, on the other hand, struggles to find evidence to explain its conclusions.



Yep, seen that too. It's just a word game, really, playing with language, questioning the authority of whoever labeled the upper end of the visable spectrum of electromagnetic radiation with the word, "blue."

Truth is, that if you want a reliable source of information concerning medication, bridge engineering, semiconducter manufacturing, physiological data, you would look at information gathered according to the scientific method, before you'd consult the Old Testament. If you wanted to know what sort of nutrition would be best for adding on another 25 lean lbs, you'd check with the folks on this website, who have tried just about everything imaginable, before you'd consult any of the 4 Gospels. If you wanted to learn another language, you'd consult with a master of the language arts before you'd study the Book of Acts, hoping that by doing so you'd be touched with "tongues of fire."

So . . .

Science (knowledge acquired by the scientific method) is more useful for everyday problems. Religion is more useful for things we can't observe or test with our five senses.

I dunno how smart your philosophy teacher was, but I'll bet I'm smarter than he is . . .

Tock, I'm impressed you cited newadvent!

[Tock]

Tock, I'm impressed you cited newadvent!

It's got some good stuff, for sure.

The writers seem to think that determinism has a lot going for itself, except that a deterministic universe has no room for a god.

And, they may be 100% correct in that assumption.

[TTexas]

I really don't see Wizards statement as that.... here is a different version for you....

what I see is that there are many things to talk about and share in a thread like that, just as there are many things to talk about and share in a thread on a different topic. Then some people go waayyy overboard trying to prove their side on their opinion. Even to the point where the same people just continue to post slanderous things on a thread to either get attention or to flat out offend people. I think there is a huge difference and what you are saying is taking it the wrong way.

I thought that it was clear that I wasnt serious

[D7M]

It's got some good stuff, for sure.

The writers seem to think that determinism has a lot going for itself, except that a deterministic universe has no room for a god.

And, they may be 100% correct in that assumption.

Someone once asked me what they should read if they wanted a very thorough introduction to Christianity. I said, read all of newadvent.

The only problem, is (I think) that's the 1917 edition on that site. So it's a bit dated.

but, yah, you're right on about the determinism thing.

[scibble]

if someone is skeptical that makes them agnostic.
atheism is a religion in the sense that all '-isms' are ideologies as are religions.
one member of this board did not as much state that he is an atheist, but, after making a bunch of strangely orthodoxy-like intolerant statements about someone's religion, began telling us how he "hates all religion and the ignorance it leads to" (very close maybe not the exact wording). then he states that his hatred should be blamed upon his elementary and middle school education in which he was basically indoctrinated into this belief system. sounds an awful lot like an organized religion to me!

[BuffedGuy]

Someone once asked me what they should read if they wanted a very thorough introduction to Christianity. I said, read all of newadvent.

The only problem, is (I think) that's the 1917 edition on that site. So it's a bit dated.

Where can I purchase this? I'll buy it right away!

[JiGGaMaN]

fantastic.

[Tock]

Where can I purchase this? I'll buy it right away!

here:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/

[BuffedGuy]

here:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/

I've actually read from this site before. But my question is: where can I buy it? I like reading from books more than reading online...I've never been able to get through an e-book just by reading it from the internet. I guess I could print it out like I do with some books, but I think this might be a million pages long, so do you know if I can purchase it from Amazon?

Is it even a book? I'm really tired right now, so I hope I'm not sounding like the guy who asked if someone could mail him a copy of the internet. Too many browsers open right now to search the answer myself.

[Bojangles69]

religion, politics and money are the 3 ruiner's of relationships...perhaps we should throw out religion threads completely.

Money can also make a relationship happen, sadly enough.

[Bojangles69]

I've actually read from this site before. But my question is: where can I buy it? I like reading from books more than reading online...I've never been able to get through an e-book just by reading it from the internet. I guess I could print it out like I do with some books, but I think this might be a million pages long, so do you know if I can purchase it from Amazon?

Is it even a book? I'm really tired right now, so I hope I'm not sounding like the guy who asked if someone could mail him a copy of the internet. Too many browsers open right now to search the answer myself.

The ONLY (I think like 4 books) I ever read from e-books I wasted around 200 pages on, a crapload of ink, and they are HUGE.

Last one I did was the FL BIble, like 400 hundred pages, did it at school and nearly murdered a printer. I have since tried finding audio books which there are actually a lot of, can "read" while your working out. If its a semi popular book you can prob find one in mp3 format.

[BuffedGuy]

The ONLY (I think like 4 books) I ever read from e-books I wasted around 200 pages on, a crapload of ink, and they are HUGE.

Last one I did was the FL BIble, like 400 hundred pages, did it at school and nearly murdered a printer. I have since tried finding audio books which there are actually a lot of, can "read" while your working out. If its a semi popular book you can prob find one in mp3 format.

What I do is I print out four pages on one side and four pages on another side. So on one printer page I fit 16 pages of the book. But yeah, I ended up burning through ink cartridges. So might as well just buy the book.

[Bojangles69]

Oh and if its religous or ANYTHING educational.

"The Teaching Company" has the most indepth audio courses. I did Great World Religions - Hinduism, it was on 6 cds, 6 hours long, and I didn't read a single book the entire semester for my hindu class. Got a B+ in the course for literally 6 hours of my life.

[Bojangles69]

What I do is I print out four pages on one side and four pages on another side. So on one printer page I fit 16 pages of the book. But yeah, I ended up burning through ink cartridges. So might as well just buy the book.

Thats crazy, I know you can do that for powerpoint but I had no idea you can do that in MS Word (or acrobat?). Awesome to know thanks!

[Tock]

I've actually read from this site before. But my question is: where can I buy it?

It's on a CD-ROM. $37.33 from:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tock
here:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/

[BuffedGuy]

Thats crazy, I know you can do that for powerpoint but I had no idea you can do that in MS Word (or acrobat?). Awesome to know thanks!

Well, I've done it with PDF files. Don't know about word. But if not, you can just convert it to PDF.

It's on a CD-ROM. $37.33 from:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tock
here:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/

But I want a book...with pages and ink and stuff. :'(

[PT]

buffedguy started a great religous thread that helped show alot of us a different side and i like religious threads for that reason. thet open others eyes to different worlds. true they get out of hand but thats what were here for. if someone bashes a member for there religious views they will be suspended or banned

[Bojangles69]

Yeh I do have to agree Buffedguy showed a certain degree of professionalism I've never really seen before in a religious thread, ESPECIALLY being the one who started it.

If anything he will be a great romodel on the "right way" to venture into such topics in the future. I'm just not cut out for religious debates so I keep my distance, plus I've had a bunch of classes where religion came up and when ever I would get confrontational I'd just wind up getting owned by the professor rather than banned here, which I prefer.

[WOLFCRAFT]

i despise religion and what it does to people

I think some people are just too
sensitive

x2 and x2!!!

[Dinosaur]

i think that religious threads should stay open as long as there is a mutual respect between all the members. otherwise, if its getting out of hand and than what's the reason of bringing it in to this site.

[inky-e]

My take on this whole situation is that if you distinguish yourself apart from everybody else in threads...for example...the Muslim....Jew....whatever.....and I'd also go as far as the Gay thread we had a while back...you are setting yourself up for scrutiny and at times ridicule....We are all here because of our love of health and fitness....gear...bodybuilding...etc...so if we stick to those guidelines..you stand less of a chance to be attacked....or percieve yourself to be attacked......Politics and religion are very sensitive topics because many of us have strong beliefs in those areas....many times these beliefs are passed down from our parents or other family members and then that also gets intense as we tend to be protective of those things...Lastly I think if we put ourselves out there like I said before...we need to be more thick skinned....think of what the worst possible reply would be to a post or thread you have started and re-evaluate if you wanna go through the emotions that would follow the replies...There have been a couple of times that I've been angered at replies to posts that I've made...but then I look past that anger and see what is at the bottom of it....fear of the unknown is a great motivator for insults and degrating comments...if someone has a strong religious belief and is attacked...it may be that the person doing the attacking is upset with himself for not having strong convictions on their own religion or even having no religion....Bottom line for me is...this is a web-site...with the exception of two members on here..I will never meet you guys in person...so why let someone that is pretty much insignificant to me...have that much power over me??!...I sometimes will just shake my head at the ignorance that I see here....and move on....life's too short to get caught up in internet drama.

[Matt]

I blame T. Own for everything, he is our leader...

[skinnykenney]

Is this why Kenny's thread got locked??

I guess
I don't care if someone says disrespctfull things.
I do care about the persons posting the disrespectfull posts!
I think my thread was fine and that people are to uptight about a couple of comments!

[Matt]

I guess
I don't care if someone says disrespctfull things.
I do care about the persons posting the disrespectfull posts!
I think my thread was fine and that people are to uptight about a couple of comments!

I didnt realise your thread was serious lol, i thought it was just abit of fun, and i dont remember anyone attacking anyone else, we were just having fun and not being nasty..

[NightWolf]

Yea, but who the hell wants to put their lips on a cup where 150 other brain washed people put their lips , ewwwwwww.

See, thats very offensive to me, because your saying
that all christians are brainwashed.

Besides, you put your lips on other mens "bananas"
and that to me that is much more ewwwwww.

[Kale]

See, thats very offensive to me, because your saying
that all christians are brainwashed.

Besides, you put your lips on other mens "bananas"
and that to me that is much more ewwwwww.

[Matt]

I agree with the wizard man. I watch all of these political/religious threads with some interest because I know ultimately they will turn to shit. That is exactly why the Political/Religious forum was deleted a few years ago, and trust me the shit we see in some of these threads today is nothing compared to what went on in that formum, even to the point of death threats.

Its simple, if you break the rules and act like a dick in these threads I will do whatever it takes to have you banned, simple as that. This board is a Dictatorship not a Democracy and if you dont like the rules then go somewhere else.

I agree with what you say Kale, or most of it. I think dictatorship is the wrong word to use. Just becauce we have rules, which goes for every day life doesnt make its a dictatorship. I for one have recomended this board to a number of people and im sure Brian wont want me to tell them its run like a dictatorship. There are rules, simple, if you dont like them move on..

[Kale]

I agree with what you say Kale, or most of it. I think dictatorship is the wrong word to use. Just becauce we have rules, which goes for every day life doesnt make its a dictatorship. I for one have recomended this board to a number of people and im sure Brian wont want me to tell them its run like a dictatorship. There are rules, simple, if you dont like them move on..

Dude what I am saying is that Brian is the owner, he isnt an elected representative. So what he says goes and, although we can make recommendations, he has the final say. Thats what I mean, sorry if Dictatorship is a bit strong.

[Matt]

Dude what I am saying is that Brian is the owner, he isnt an elected representative. So what he says goes and, although we can make recommendations, he has the final say. Thats what I mean, sorry if Dictatorship is a bit strong.

I hope we can still be friends...

[fit4ever]

Fact is, people spend entirely too much time preaching their beliefs. But so little time adhering to them. Your beliefs are not wrong and my beliefs are not right. They're just different.