For anyone who believes in the bible in a literal sense...

[dehydromethandrotren]

Why?

Please try to convince me because I am very anti religious but, I want to see if someone can convince me otherwise.....

In my opinion it is the most successful form of mind control ever created and is basically an invisible product. An illogical and irrational way of comforting those who fear death.

Speaking in "tongues" wtf is that?

My GF wants my children to go to church but I feel that we should wait til they are old enough to make that decision for themselves, not force it upon them at such an impressionable age.

lets discuss.......

[GT2]

IMO (and meaning no offence to anyone who does), but taking the Words of God in a LITERAL sense is nothing short of stupid.

Sending your kids to church won't necessarily mean they will recognise and love God. If anything, I would teach your kids about all the religions of the past and present, teach them about moral and spiritual education, how to be a better person, how to make the right choices in life, and let them accept/deny God's existence/religion in that way.

[RuhlFreak55]

Why?

Please try to convince me because I am very anti religious but, I want to see if someone can convince me otherwise.....

In my opinion it is the most successful form of mind control ever created and is basically an invisible product. An illogical and irrational way of comforting those who fear death.

Speaking in "tongues" wtf is that?

My GF wants my children to go to church but I feel that we should wait til they are old enough to make that decision for themselves, not force it upon them at such an impressionable age.

lets discuss.......

that's exactly what my parents did

oh no but if you do that there's no way they'll be stupid enough to believe the crap lol

[dehydromethandrotren]

that's exactly what my parents did

oh no but if you do that there's no way they'll be stupid enough to believe the crap lol

Lol, my point.

[dehydromethandrotren]

Sending your kids to church won't necessarily mean they will recognise and love God. If anything, I would teach your kids about all the religions of the past and present, teach them about moral and spiritual education, how to be a better person, how to make the right choices in life, and let them accept/deny God's existence/religion in that way.

I think the potential of of my children "falling" for religion outweighs the benefits of what the church COULD (Not will) teach, that I myself as a parent should be teaching my children in the first place.

[RuhlFreak55]

If i have kids they will most definitely not be going to church....period....and the Mrs (if there ever is one) will be ok with that or she wont hold that position anymore

[dehydromethandrotren]

If i have kids they will most definitely not be going to church....period....and the Mrs (if there ever is one) will be ok with that or she wont hold that position anymore

It has crossed my mind

[dehydromethandrotren]

The whole thing has been corrupt for so long as well. Like Molesting children and burning innocent people alive corrupt.

[GT2]

I think the potential of of my children "falling" for religion outweighs the benefits of what the church COULD (Not will) teach, that I myself as a parent should be teaching my children in the first place.

I agree with you.

Maybe Christianity's time has passed? Just a thought...

[RuhlFreak55]

The whole thing has been corrupt for so long as well. Like Molesting children and burning innocent people alive corrupt.

the vatican has their own assassins and such too....and they want you to give how much money to them? rofl....**** that....

[dehydromethandrotren]

I agree with you.

Maybe Christianity's time has passed? Just a thought...

Long long ago IMO. Religion period.

I believe in aliens more than religion. No devil no God .

[RuhlFreak55]

I agree with you.

Maybe Christianity's time has passed? Just a thought...

it is surely losing it's influence.....it would be AWESOME if it would just die out entirely

[RuhlFreak55]

Long long ago IMO. Religion period.

I believe in aliens more than religion. No devil no God .

the most hilarious thing is that their god had to be an extra terrestrial by simple definition......he created the earth right? well duh then he can't be from earth.......morons

[dehydromethandrotren]

it is surely losing it's influence.....it would be AWESOME if it would just die out entirely

I think, but am not sure, that there is a higher percentage of non believers now than ever........but the same could probly be said for believers since the worlds population constantly increases.

[dehydromethandrotren]

the most hilarious thing is that their god had to be an extra terrestrial by simple definition......he created the earth right? well duh then he can't be from earth.......morons

Interesting way of putting it.

[dehydromethandrotren]

It's seemingly ironic that the most religious people know the least about religion, from what I have seen / read.

[DSM4Life]

[*RAGE*]

because god said so...the end..

[D7M]

the most hilarious thing is that their god had to be an extra terrestrial by simple definition......he created the earth right? well duh then he can't be from earth.......morons

I'm not religious in any sense, but that's just doesn't make sense.

A deity whose essence is identical with its act of existence such that it is pure act itself is not an 'alien'. By definition, that Being (of pure act) exists outside of time and space.

Now if this is what you mean by 'alien' then that means "God".

Like I said, I'm not religious, or advocating a religious point of view, but I don't see how a metaphysical conception of God is "moronic".

[dehydromethandrotren]

I'm not religious in any sense, but that's just doesn't make sense.

A deity whose essence is identical with its act of existence such that it is pure act itself is not an 'alien'. By definition, that Being (of pure act) exists outside of time and space.

Now if this is what you mean by 'alien' then that means "God".

.

I thought I was smart until I read that......

Lamens terms please......

[RuhlFreak55]

I'm not religious in any sense, but that's just doesn't make sense.

A deity whose essence is identical with its act of existence such that it is pure act itself is not an 'alien'. By definition, that Being (of pure act) exists outside of time and space.

Now if this is what you mean by 'alien' then that means "God".

Like I said, I'm not religious, or advocating a religious point of view, but I don't see how a metaphysical conception of God is "moronic".

well since it's impossible for something to not exist in this reality and simultaneously effect the reality that makes absolutely no sense.

[RuhlFreak55]

I thought I was smart until I read that......

Lamens terms please......

his statement just doesn't make any sense is all

[dehydromethandrotren]

I hope someone with a different point of view comes in lol.

[DSM4Life]

I hope someone with a different point of view comes in lol.

God is a very kind man.

"Believe in me and you shall be saved"
"Deny me and you burn in hell"

[dehydromethandrotren]

Lmao, well obviously. Doy.

[BuffedGuy]

it is surely losing it's influence.....it would be AWESOME if it would just die out entirely

Peace be unto you.

Christianity is not dying out at all:

The growth rate of Christianity, according to the U.S. Center for World Mission, is very close to the growth rate of the world's population. The percentage of Christians in the world has remained almost constant for decades.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/growth_isl_chr.htm

Over thirty percent of the world is Christian, far more than atheists or non-religious people. There is no fear of Christianity going anywhere. If some leave Christianity, others will enter it to replace them.

These things go in cycles. The counter-culture revolution of the 60s and 70s has died out; had it continued, sure Christianity would have been seriously hurt. But when one generation becomes irreligious, then the next generation or the one after them becomes more religious. It is cyclical. For example, the Muslims were becoming less religious just one or two generations ago, adopting Arab or Turk nationalism, secularism, socialism, etc over religion. Women were throwing off their hijabs (headscarves) and modest coverings. Yet today there is a resurgence, and the young generation has returned to Islam with a great force. Now the young women are putting on the hijabs against their parents' wishes, and Islam and Pan-Islamism have replaced nationalism, secularism, socialism, etc in the hearts and minds of the Muslim masses. As God says: He has no need for any one generation; if one generation abandons God, then God will replace it with a generation that is better than it.

The truth is that the younger generations generally react and go to the opposite of what their older generations did. So it becomes a cyclical pattern. Living in the sixties and seventies, one would have thought that Christianity would be gone by now, yet it is as strong as ever in America, thanks to the conservative surge that followed the liberal wave.

In the Care of the Lord,
-Saladin.

[GT2]

^^^ Being a Christian by name is very different to being a Christian by action.

Quality over quantity, my friend.

I'd rather have 10 loyal and trustworthy friends, then 1000 "friends".

Point being, there are hundreds of millions of so-called "Christians" who actually don't follow the Laws in the Christian Scriptures at all.

[T-MOS]

So just how did we come into exsistence then?
And how did whatever it was that brought us into exsistence come into exsistence itself?
And what was there before that? And what brought that into exsistence. And so on and so on.

[dehydromethandrotren]

As God says: He has no need for any one generation; if one generation abandons God, then God will replace it with a generation that is better than it.

Is that a literal quote?

How does following god make someone better than anyone else? Seems like a pretty shitty way for such a divine being to think.


"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man"
- Thomas Jefferson

[DSM4Life]

So just how did we come into exsistence then?
And how did whatever it was that brought us into exsistence come into exsistence itself?
And what was there before that? And what brought that into exsistence. And so on and so on.

Science tells it all.

[D7M]

his statement just doesn't make any sense is all

Eh, I'm not gonna get dragged into this one, boys.

Trust me, it makes sense.

Metaphysics is not for everyone, though.

[dehydromethandrotren]

The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. — George Bernard Shaw

[dehydromethandrotren]

So just how did we come into exsistence then?
And how did whatever it was that brought us into exsistence come into exsistence itself?
And what was there before that? And what brought that into exsistence. And so on and so on.

I don't know but it wasn't God.

[RuhlFreak55]

So just how did we come into exsistence then?
And how did whatever it was that brought us into exsistence come into exsistence itself?
And what was there before that? And what brought that into exsistence. And so on and so on.

we didn't evolve until many millions of years after the universe was formed.....by the big bang, so in the event that something spurred our evolution, these "gods" as people called them were undoubtedly extra terrestrials from an advanced civilization elsewhere in the galaxy or universe and we are their little science experiment. And the advanced civilization evolved, it was probably just somewhere within the universe where conditions allowed evolution to start much earlier and proceed at a higher rate.

[GT2]

Is that a literal quote?

How does following god make someone better than anyone else? Seems like a pretty shitty way for such a divine being to think.

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man"
- Thomas Jefferson

I have to disagree with you on that.

The way I see it, God places bounties unto those who recognise Him, love Him, and abide by His laws. So therefore, it makes complete sense that if you shun God, he will direct his bounties away from you.

In the same way, if you were a boss and one of your employees constantly disagreed with what you said, refused to complete the tasks you delegate to him, I'm SURE you will either fire him or shun him.

I believe the whole collapse of the world economy, the moral bankruptcy of the peoples of this day and age, the injustices that are present every day, is all happening for a reason... We are being punished by God for straying so far away from His teachings and laws. All of the billions of dollars that are being spent by governments to bail out big companies are just band-aid solutions. The root of all the world's economic, moral, and social problems is the lack of one universal cause, one common faith.

[RuhlFreak55]

"An atheist is a man who has no invisible means of support."
-- John Buchan

[dehydromethandrotren]

re amish&andy post above:

Yes but is that fair ?

[Gears]

I would rather burn in the theoretical hell most religions belive in than conform to some storybook tales.

[GT2]

re amish&andy post above:

Yes but is that fair ?

If you're referring to justice, then yes, God's actions are just.

[Matt]

Who is God??