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This is may pet doll and i abuse her every night..
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03-17-2009, 05:02 PM #42Banned
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I love dogs and have some pretty cool little yorkies in the house. I do not believe in beating animals BUT I can't believe some of you guys say shit like I would rather see a human die than a dog. What a rediculous thing to say.
There is a line where I would intercede on a animals behalf, however it is nowhere near the situation you explained. I place a much higher value on people than any animal.
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03-17-2009, 05:25 PM #43
I agree with Reed... I would have to be there to form an opinion on it.
I do say that i have raised and trained obedient dogs, stuborn dogs, and those in between. Dogs can't reason with you... they react to certain things... even a stern voice is a threat to physical harm... at one point someone raised their voice and then dicsipline them to were they understood... there are a lot of philosophies on how to raise animals or even children. Bottom line, it doesn't work the same for all.
I will say that pinching or pushing the head down toward the ground does not sound too harsh, but still, I would have had to be there I guess.
I don't believe in abusing dogs, but I also don't treat them like children... think of a dog pack, the alpha dog snaps at his pack and attacks them to get them to listen. anyhow, animal abuse is very common and very awful. a chained dog with a 6 ft chain all his life is way more abusive than pinching one or using a cholker chain on a walk to make it heel.
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03-17-2009, 05:39 PM #44
Good post, rockin. Dogs do have their own language in a pack, and their reasoning abilities are limited. I still use time outs effectively with my dog in some circumstances. Other times I have to grab him by the scruff of the collar before he listens.
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03-17-2009, 05:46 PM #45New Member
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im assuming since your on this site your a big guy. this is why i train. i would have done to him what he did to the dog im mad just hearing this story.
my dog is a sweetheart. hes got huge teeth but im so nice to him that he knows not to do anything to me. time to time ill put my head in his food bowl while hes eating and he doesnt bite me.
sounds dumb too you guys but it makes me feel good to know i can trust him. and if he bites my face it was meant to be also makes me feel hardcore im risking my face by putting it in my dogs dish
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03-17-2009, 07:21 PM #47
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03-17-2009, 07:40 PM #48
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03-17-2009, 08:59 PM #49
Don't think, act.
This is my motto in life and has worked all the time. You must outcrazy a crazy person to make them uncrazy. Craziest can only exist and thrive when the notion of sanity exists. Remove that notion and craziestness will vanish with it.
Hes not "training" his dog. Hes abusing it, and hes doing it in public. It doesnt mean he is crazy, it means hes prone to demonstrating crazy behavoir. So you dont correct him, you correct his behavoir. (I am ceasar the man wisperer)
Calling the cops won't settle much because police are useless pinheads, saying something smart and intelligent won't work because at that moment his mind is not in a smart or intelligent state.
BUT, I'll tell you a brief real life story before I make my point.
Many many years ago, we use to have a black lab (maybe like 15 years ago).
When he was a pup he used to eat shoes, newspaper, and parts of the house (wall paper, wooden banisters and what not)
My dad had a habit of kicking the dog pretty hard and I was young & not really sure what the deal was but it made me angry to watch. (ftr my dad is a wonderful man, this was back when he was getting divorced and losing his job so he was stressed - no excuse but he really is a great guy)
Eventually word got out about how my dad use to "discipline" Drake (dog). My aunt use to make remarks and I noticed how bothered she was for someone who only had heard about it and didn't have to witness firsthand.
One day, (I had to be like 13) Drake teared one of his shoes into like 200 pieces.
My dad went into a fit screaming and kicked him once, than started chasing him around the house and the dog was scared shitless, I was scared shitless and didnt know what to do.
But its a trait of my personality I still carry today.
My motto
"you must outcrazy a crazy person to make them uncrazy".
Why? Because it becomes a direct reflection of themselves, and for a brief second they can see what they look like. Also, fear can quell insanity. One of few things that actually can.
So I flipped, blew a screw loose and just lost it. I dont remember what I said but it had to be some childish jibber like "I hate you u fat fvck I wish you were dead etc etc" I grabbed a pool stick and let loose on him that day, so badly that rather than run after me he actually ran away because I was swinging that hard".
I remember knowing I was gonna get it so I ran out the house and hid in my friends house down the road. My mom came home and I guess when my dad told her she actually got angry at HIM because she was smart enough to realize what happened.
But this is the point, my dad STOPPED kicking the dog. It was like a switch shut off that day. And I've used that technique ever since I was little because it works pretty good (has since been modified)
But there are more affective ways to be crazy than assault.
Craziness creates more fear than actually beating the shit out of someone. Because when a crazy person sees crazy, they scare themselves into a newer understanding of their OWN reality.
If you were that guy, and he was you, and you hit your dog than he got on his knees and started barking and growling at you that would scare the living crap out of you, more than him saying "yo, wtf yah deushbag?"
If you try to act sane, he will know you follow rules and he will feel like he has control over you BECAUSE of those rules.
Show people you follow no rules, grab a branch and eat it, that person will anchor the fear of meeting you again with the action of pinching their dog. It will just happen, there was actually a woman on Dr. Phil who would stop her kids from crying by crying louder than them and on the video youd see the kids instantly stop all the time.
Step outside the box of how he expects to be disciplined for his behavoir. Use the element of suprise and extreme uncalculated fear to correct his behavoir, and soon he will learn better ways to correct his dogs behavoir.
Also, it is not hard at all to act crazy. Because when you internalize the objective insanity of someone else who is acting insane, they fall to a subhuman status, one that makes you truely not give 2 fvks about their judgements anymore.
Try it, but start with baby steps first, its a bit of an art.
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03-17-2009, 10:52 PM #50
Bo, you will definetly be an unique psychiatrist someday. I can see you having your own show like Dr. Phil, except it'll be Dr. Bojangle!
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03-17-2009, 11:34 PM #51
Thanks bud, all my fans will be growling and eating branches now when people bother them. So proud of my work here lmao
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03-18-2009, 06:55 AM #52
what the hell... are you serious? this is got to be the worst advice given on this thread. Using the dog as an excuse to release on on your dad for issues you carried with him is a whole diff story than this one. sorry bo, I have absolutely nothing against you whatsoever, but you need to take a few normal classes to bring your psychosis back in check and normal range... are you in your core field of study now? I swear psychology classes were the worst...you have to become half looney and it is sold to you as a broadening your perspective.
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03-18-2009, 10:26 AM #53
I abhor animal cruelty with a passion, it makes me sad and angry to witness but it's a slippery slope to climb on what to do.
I don't want to derail the thread, but yesterday im walking through town and this Mother is walking along with a kid in a pram...but I notice about 20 yards behind her is another young kid, he couldn't have been more than 8 seemingly on his own. And my first thought was "surely that isn't that womans kid, why isn't he within eye shot of her, he could run into the road, get snatched..anything." And then the kid cried out to his Mother and she just turns round and screams "WHAT?" at him. I was flabbergasted.
It's a diffucult line to define between what is none of your business and what is doing the right thing.
Maybe you coulda gone up to the guy, and just taken a picture of him on your phone. Naturally when he asks you what the Hell you are doing, you can say you know who he is now, and if you see him pulling any shit like that again, there's gonna be consequences. He can take that as bullshit, or a threat you will personally take out or a case of being reported to the authorities. Heh, I only just thought of that so I don't know if it would work in theory.
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03-18-2009, 10:29 AM #54
I wud have ran to him, giving him a short left to the jaw and make him bite the pavement... Then i would make him beg for forgiveness.
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03-18-2009, 10:30 AM #55
if I thought what he was doing to the dog was over the top, I would have watched him get in his car, taken the licence plate and reported him.
Getting involved usually leads to getting arrested when you take matters into your own hands on a regular basis.
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03-18-2009, 10:35 AM #56
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03-18-2009, 10:39 AM #57
Diablo, is that your pit in the avy? if so BEAUTIFUL dog...
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03-18-2009, 10:40 AM #58Banned
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The guy sounds like a fcuking idiot to me.
He obviously doesn't know how to train or control his dog.
I don't think he should have a dog and I could just imagine what happens behind closed doors.
When I first had my first dog and he did wrong i was alittle agressive and I realized it was wrong.
Now when my dog is bad I put him in my back room for abit for punshment.
Anything a dog ever does is never the dogs fault it is the owners or caregivers
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03-18-2009, 10:43 AM #59
thanks Scerpico...
Its my pups daddy out of Cream....
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03-18-2009, 10:44 AM #60
bottom line is IF you understand and know HOW to train a dog, you do not have to be over the top aggressive with them.
some dogs do require discipline, however discipline does not equal abuse
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03-18-2009, 10:48 AM #61
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03-18-2009, 10:55 AM #62
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03-18-2009, 10:59 AM #63
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03-18-2009, 02:34 PM #64
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03-19-2009, 12:55 AM #65
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03-20-2009, 09:08 PM #66
I just walk up to them and tell them that their actions are making "Buster" angry. They always get a scared look in their eyes and walk away. I like to think it's because I look so tough, but probably not...
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03-22-2009, 01:05 PM #67
Did he put the dog on its back and submit it or was he just hurting the dog?
You can submit a dog by putting it on its back without abusing the dog. Same thing with oral commands that shows the dog that you aren't happy with its behavior.
Seems like either way if you get involved or not it is a lose situation for you.
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03-22-2009, 07:01 PM #68
Yes you should have at least said something.... Here's a worse story...........
Me and the girlfriend take our dog to a local nature walk every now and then, she is a black lab, and perfectly trained, literally! Not to mention she is the biggest sweet heart every.. Well there is no rule against having a dog on a leash at this place, so we're walking towards a couple, and the guy starts yelling about the dog not being on a leash and just having surgery. So we yell its fine shes trained, well Bella (our dog) approaches them, tail wagging and this guy starts kicking at her!! There is snow on the ground and our dog is chasing the snow that the guy is kicking! The guys wife thinks its cute as do we, well the guy is still yelling as the dog approaches and is still kicking ****ing snow, which the dog thinks is a game, well she gets close to the guy and he ****ing kicks her in the face so hard she was more or less knocked out!! The guy was about 55 and was in arm reach distance as our dog was by our side heeling, so I just ****ing clocked him plain and simple. He was knocked out.... yes I know I hit a 55 year old man, and **** I hit him hard, it felt great because here is my dog (a puppy at the time she was like 8 months old, maybe 50 pounds, and wasnt even jumping on the guy) laying there with blood dripping out of her mouth as she bit her tongue when he kicked her!.. Long story short he had to pay the vet bills and I swear to god if there wasnt laws I would have broke his leg... Arrgggg just typing this ****ing shit gets me mad
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03-22-2009, 11:42 PM #69
I know what you mean Bro!
I prabably would have said something.....I don't know when to not interfere when it comes to kids and animals!!!!!!!!
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03-23-2009, 08:27 PM #70
To empty the glands, ya gotta squeeze 'em (sorta like zits), and it's a job you'll want to do outside, because they stink worse than stink. And you'll want to give the dog a bath, too.
Get your vet to show you how, or find a groomer who will do it for you.
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03-23-2009, 08:45 PM #71
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03-23-2009, 08:47 PM #72
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03-25-2009, 02:38 AM #73
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03-27-2009, 01:26 AM #74
Beats me . . . I was dog tired when I wrote it, and then edited a bunch of stuff, and then suddenly there wasn't much left.
And here I am again tonight, still dog tired, and ready to finish off this gd project, just a few more days to go.
Anyway, ya, speak up when someone abuses a defenseless critter. Usually, people who abuse an animal will have no compunction about abusing a human being.
Then again, people who let their dog's butt glands get clogged and itchy, well, there's no telling what they do with their own.
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But, back to the pointless part of this post . . .
http://dogs.lovetoknow.com/wiki/Dog_Anal_Glands
If your dog's anal glands fail to properly express, they may actually become impacted, making your dog very uncomfortable. Watch for these signs:
- Your dog begins scooting or dragging his rear across the floor.
- Your dog keeps licking or chewing near his rectum.
- Your dog's stools have become soft and mushy.
- You'll likely notice a foul or "fishy" odor coming from your dog's rear.
Many breeders and owners feel capable of expressing their dog's anal glands themselves. However, one should be prepared for the anal gland secretions to appear and smell quite disgusting. If you feel this is a task you are willing to perform, here are some basic directions. Please be advised, that you should only perform this procedure on your own dogs and never someone else's.
- Prepare a warm moist washcloth.
- Locate your dog's anal glands by raising his tail and using your other hand to feel for two lumps at approximately five and seven o'clock on either side of his anal opening.
- Holding the cloth over his anal opening to prevent an unpleasant [COLOR=#0000cc! important][COLOR=#0000cc! important]squirt[/COLOR][/COLOR], begin applying firm but gentle pressure to the sacs. This should cause some of the fluid to be expelled through the rectal opening, thereby emptying the glands. Wipe your dog's behind clean, and the job should be finished.
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03-27-2009, 10:17 AM #75
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03-27-2009, 10:20 AM #76
lol tock, looks like every time you edit the only important part of your post are the anal glands, wtf
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