Hmmmm, thanks.

**Juturna** · 08-17-2009, 06:51 AM

Well - hitting my first cycle in a week or so - gear came in today. So uhh, I'm pretty fvcking stoked right about now haha. Just an FYI - and thank you to everyone who's lended their advice.

**sigman roid** · 08-17-2009, 06:52 AM

Thats what were here for bro!!goodluck with your cycle

***El Diablo*** · 08-17-2009, 06:56 AM

Good Luck. Wellcome to the darksyde

**Juturna** · 08-17-2009, 07:02 AM

Good Luck. Wellcome to the darksyde

True that - haven't been this excited regarding the gym in a while...

5'8''
186 dry, this morning.

I'd like to see 200 come and stay haha.

***El Diablo*** · 08-17-2009, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by Juturna

True that - haven't been this excited regarding the gym in a while...

5'8''
186 dry, this morning.

I'd like to see 200 come and stay haha.

What? we are pretty much the same height, i am bulking up and last night i weighed in 221lb's at 14%bf.....

If u have ur diet in check ull see 205Lb's easily.....

***El Diablo*** · 08-17-2009, 07:06 AM

ive never felt so fat.... 14%... im a big fatty..lol

**Juturna** · 08-17-2009, 07:06 AM

My diet is in check - had a lot of help on the forum perfecting it for the duration of the cycle (when to add intake contrasted with weight)... I didn't want to have TOO high of expectations haha

***El Diablo*** · 08-17-2009, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by Juturna

My diet is in check - had a lot of help on the forum perfecting it for the duration of the cycle (when to add intake contrasted with weight)... I didn't want to have TOO high of expectations haha

Great. What u running?

**Juturna** · 08-17-2009, 07:11 AM

1-5 50mg Dbol ED
1-12 500mg Test En (250/2x per week)

Nolva 40,40,20,20 and Clomid (figuring out how I'm going to run Cl this week)

I mean, typical first cycle, hopefully yields good results though.

***El Diablo*** · 08-17-2009, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by Juturna

1-5 50mg Dbol ED
1-12 500mg Test En (250/2x per week)

Nolva 40,40,20,20 and Clomid (figuring out how I'm going to run Cl this week)

I mean, typical first cycle, hopefully yields good results though.

Sounds good, D-Bol also gave me great results, but i know there are people that wont agree with me. just also watch your sodium intake on D-Bol, to keep ur bloat under control.

**Juturna** · 08-17-2009, 07:22 AM

Thanks for the advice. I'll double check that this week.

**sigman roid** · 08-17-2009, 07:23 AM

i'd run the clomid 100/50/50/50

***El Diablo*** · 08-17-2009, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by sigman roid

i'd run the clomid 100/50/50/50

Reported Post. Bad Advice. lol

**Mooseman33** · 08-17-2009, 08:03 AM

bro u are going to grow.
u have really taken the time to learn, and now all that hard work will pay off..
good luck man, keep me posted on ur gains,

**Juturna** · 08-17-2009, 01:18 PM

bro u are going to grow.
u have really taken the time to learn, and now all that hard work will pay off..
good luck man, keep me posted on ur gains,

Will do buddy - I'll probably post a thread in Cycle Progress Forum or something, not sure.

**DSM4Life** · 08-17-2009, 03:46 PM

Why you guys insist on running multi substances for a first cycle i will never know. Im not even going to waste my breath anymore....

**Juturna** · 08-17-2009, 03:51 PM

Well I mean I've been posting about wanting to do competitions, and I believe that maximizing my gains before 2010 would be beneficial as long as I do it in a safe way. Which I believe I am.

**DSM4Life** · 08-17-2009, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Juturna

Well I mean I've been posting about wanting to do competitions, and I believe that maximizing my gains before 2010 would be beneficial as long as I do it in a safe way. Which I believe I am.

So you think more gear = more gains ? Sorry man, back to the drawing board.

**Juturna** · 08-17-2009, 03:55 PM

No - obviously my words came across wrong. I respect your opinion obviously DSM, this is my first cycle and your definitely well versed in the subject.

But you feel that running say Test En alone, without any kick-start - I will yield the same results as if I DID have a kick-start? I don't follow that...

**DSM4Life** · 08-17-2009, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Juturna

No - obviously my words came across wrong. I respect your opinion obviously DSM, this is my first cycle and your definitely well versed in the subject.

But you feel that running say Test En alone, without any kick-start - I will yield the same results as if I DID have a kick-start? I don't follow that...

Say you run both and the cycle goes horrible. You feel like cra, break out with a lot of acne and cant to save your life. How you doing to know which substance caused the horrible sides ?

This is the problem with taking more than one substance. People try to fight me on this all the time but its common sense.

**Juturna** · 08-17-2009, 04:07 PM

I'm not trying to fight you on it DSM - hardly, I'm just trying to learn more. You never stop learning, right? Trying to explain my point.

Well from my research I've heard that DBol will kick in around days 4-7, agreed? Test En around WK 4 (Though sides can show up sooner). For the Test injections to dramatically lower your natural production - blood tests show that will happen around week 2, when the Test is circulating in your system efficiently.

If I get unbearable sides in the first two weeks, then it would be the Dbol, from my beliefs. And also - say no side effects happened until weeks 2-5, once off the Dbol, if that was the problem started - the sides would subside correct? Also - sides such as gyno are preventable through Adex which I'll be taken.

If you completely disagree please explain, I really am trying to hear your thoughts on the subject more.

**Mooseman33** · 08-17-2009, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Juturna

I'm not trying to fight you on it DSM - hardly, I'm just trying to learn more. You never stop learning, right? Trying to explain my point.

Well from my research I've heard that DBol will kick in around days 4-7, agreed? Test En around WK 4 (Though sides can show up sooner). For the Test injections to dramatically lower your natural production - blood tests show that will happen around week 2, when the Test is circulating in your system efficiently.

If I get unbearable sides in the first two weeks, then it would be the Dbol, from my beliefs. And also - say no side effects happened until weeks 2-5, once off the Dbol, if that was the problem started - the sides would subside correct? Also - sides such as gyno are preventable through Adex which I'll be taken.

If you completely disagree please explain, I really am trying to hear your thoughts on the subject more.

i would say that is comon sense....u have a perfect attitude also bro, i wish more were like u.
u are going to grow like a weed bro...

**DSM4Life** · 08-17-2009, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Juturna

I'm not trying to fight you on it DSM - hardly, I'm just trying to learn more. You never stop learning, right? Trying to explain my point.

Well from my research I've heard that DBol will kick in around days 4-7, agreed? Test En around WK 4 (Though sides can show up sooner). For the Test injections to dramatically lower your natural production - blood tests show that will happen around week 2, when the Test is circulating in your system efficiently.

If I get unbearable sides in the first two weeks, then it would be the Dbol, from my beliefs. And also - say no side effects happened until weeks 2-5, once off the Dbol, if that was the problem started - the sides would subside correct? Also - sides such as gyno are preventable through Adex which I'll be taken.

If you completely disagree please explain, I really am trying to hear your thoughts on the subject more.

Excuse me if i sound like im yelling at you but i get so frustrated when this topic comes up. People on these boards run retardedly (nice word choice huh ?) high cycles and i think its a waste (for 99% of the members here).

My advise is start as small as you can. First cycle 500mg 2x a week test e is perfect. You will be MORE than happy with this cycle.

Again its just my opinion but remember this "race" is a marathon.

**Juturna** · 08-17-2009, 04:19 PM

Thanks Moose, I'm actually going to be trying out some new meal ideas, so I'll get all that Wed. Add a little extra fat, maybe switch from Flax to Fish Oil pre-workout, ground turkey which I haven't had in a diet plan before. So I'm pretty pumped about that on top of going from natural to... not so... haha.

Good to go DSM - I appreciate it man. I haven't started the cycle yet, have another week, so I'll mull over what you've said. Hopefully regardless if I follow your advice or not you head over to check out my log on Monday.

**DSM4Life** · 08-17-2009, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Juturna

Thanks Moose, I'm actually going to be trying out some new meal ideas, so I'll get all that Wed. Add a little extra fat, maybe switch from Flax to Fish Oil pre-workout, ground turkey which I haven't had in a diet plan before. So I'm pretty pumped about that on top of going from natural to... not so... haha.

Good to go DSM - I appreciate it man. I haven't started the cycle yet, have another week, so I'll mull over what you've said. Hopefully regardless if I follow your advice or not you head over to check out my progress on Monday.

Will do, good luck with it.

**jamyjamjr** · 08-17-2009, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Juturna

Well - hitting my first cycle in a week or so - gear came in today. So uhh, I'm pretty fvcking stoked right about now haha. Just an FYI - and thank you to everyone who's lended their advice.

with the way we set up your diet, your gonna grow like an animal..

make sure to check in every 7-10 days in the diet section so we can microcalibrate..

have fun

**jamyjamjr** · 08-17-2009, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Juturna

Well I mean I've been posting about wanting to do competitions, and I believe that maximizing my gains before 2010 would be beneficial as long as I do it in a safe way. Which I believe I am.

alotta people start with the test and dbol for their first cycle..

we recommend you only do a test cycle so you know what goes wrong if it goes wrong..

DSM is making a great point...

either way be careful.. do you have any anc drugs with you when you start cycle?? a-dex?? nolva??

**Juturna** · 08-17-2009, 10:41 PM

I have Nolva and Clomid for PCT or incase things get bad, which I'm hoping doesn't occur, obviously. I also have A-dex that I'm more and more debating running the entire duration to prevent any gyno problems.

**firmechicano831** · 08-17-2009, 11:13 PM

good luck bro, let us know how is goes.

**xnotoriousx** · 08-17-2009, 11:18 PM

damn i'm in so much envy right now... a cycle would be the answer to all my fitness hopes and dreams right now

Good Luck broski!

**xo3et** · 08-17-2009, 11:35 PM

Good luck bro, will be waiting for the log to start.

xnotoriousx i am as keen as you to start a cycle, not long for me now dude

**xnotoriousx** · 08-17-2009, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by xo3et

Good luck bro, will be waiting for the log to start.

xnotoriousx i am as keen as you to start a cycle, not long for me now dude

yes, we've had the discussion before, damn man i'm tingling!!!

I'm starting to wonder if a test booster like spawn/novedex or something might be a good idea to try out. We're both primed as ever for it.