You are not going to live forever.........think about that.......

[Kratos]

in the very near future our expected ages will start increasing faster than time itself propagates.....so if you can wait it out there will be a solution within the next 50 years for sure

whatever helps you sleep at night...but it isn't going to happen

http://longevity.about.com/od/longev...e_declines.htm

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/352/11/1138

getting older and dying is built right into the cell division process...sry but you're gonna die.

What you fail to realize is most increases in life expectancy are due to better care of babies and pre-birth care. Ever thrown a zero in your test average for the semester...fvcks shit up. Babies don't die, life expectancy goes up quite a bit. Healthy people don't live any longer now then they really ever have.

[Polska]

Death is the ultimate equalizer. Do you realize what would happen on earth if people lived to be 300? We're over populating this planet as it is.

[ni4ni]

shoot them when they turn 250...that would help some of us

[RuhlFreak55]

Death is the ultimate equalizer. Do you realize what would happen on earth if people lived to be 300? We're over populating this planet as it is.

having kids would for the most part be phased out as a necessity

[RuhlFreak55]

whatever helps you sleep at night...but it isn't going to happen

http://longevity.about.com/od/longev...e_declines.htm

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/352/11/1138

getting older and dying is built right into the cell division process...sry but you're gonna die.

What you fail to realize is most increases in life expectancy are due to better care of babies and pre-birth care. Ever thrown a zero in your test average for the semester...fvcks shit up. Babies don't die, life expectancy goes up quite a bit. Healthy people don't live any longer now then they really ever have.

there are always detractors and nay sayers at first.......you'll see

[Matt]

I would like to die doing something i really enjoy...

Flaming some dumb ass twat on here...

[DSM4Life]

I would like to die doing something i really enjoy...

Flaming some dumb ass twat on here...

You been spitting out the word "twat" a lot lately..... I like it.

[Matt]

You been spitting out the word "twat" a lot lately..... I like it.

Its a naughty word and i really shouldnt say it, i just seem to get carried away........

[Bojangles69]

The *ONLY* time anyone can ever have a problem with death is when they think they are more important then they really are, think about it.

You thinking about death is kind of the worlds way of trying to make you understand that you're really not special at all. You've been crushing insects/swating flies/eating meat and generally participating in cycles of death since you were born.

I think at some point humans realize how much death they cause as a collective whole and it scares them. 8 billion chickens die every year do you think about that?
All the cows we slaughter for beef?
The seals we club for their fur?
The ant you stepped on yesterday?

Why is it easy to not think about that, but then when it comes to human life its all a sudden a big deal?
Its not, we are no more special then the seagull that shits on our head at the beach. Intelligence doesnt make something important, it just sometimes fools that something into thinking it IS important.

You thinking about death is the only real way you can gain appreciation for everything else ALIVE in this world. Not just your family or friends, but the entire world.
In a hundred years everyone on this forum will be dead.

Its not a happy thought but you'll be happier right now knowing your not dead yet. =]

[jbm]

As of now I'm really scared to die! Wanna be a father and a grandfather first!

[Hoggage_54]

Death is the ultimate equalizer. Do you realize what would happen on earth if people lived to be 300? We're over populating this planet as it is.

Imagine the car insurance rates for a 250 year old

[gator_mclusky]

I am Religious and have comfort in knowing I will have eternal life. Sure I cant stand the thought of death. Hopefully it will just be a passing from one plane of existence to another.

Theres no way we just popped up out of the blue perfectly fit for life with eyes to see, a nose to breath, a heart and blood circulating converting Oxygen to Carbon Dioxide. The human body is to complex to just be a fluke.....

But...to each their own. If they dont want to believe in God, then I wont throw stones.

I will say that the other day I drove by a Funeral precession and it made me think of being locked in a box and buried although the soul would have moved on....

gator

[Bojangles69]

Yeh and the fact is nonreligious people as much as theyd love to believe they just rot in a smelly casket with worms eating them, are equally blind to what actually happens when we die just like religious people.
Religious people believe we go to heaven, athetiest believe we rot for eternity in a casket.

Well how to do you know right now you're really not just dreaming? Cause you dream at night when you sleep? What if when you die you actually wake up like you do when your dreams end?
What if we're really sleeping right now?

What if I'm really just a fvcking genious?

[DNoMac]

Yeh and the fact is nonreligious people as much as theyd love to believe they just rot in a smelly casket with worms eating them, are equally blind to what actually happens when we die just like religious people.
Religious people believe we go to heaven, athetiest believe we rot for eternity in a casket.

Well how to do you know right now you're really not just dreaming? Cause you dream at night when you sleep? What if when you die you actually wake up like you do when your dreams end?
What if we're really sleeping right now?

What if I'm really just a fvcking genious?

This can't be so, else you would've spelled genius the correct way. I do still enjoy reading your posts tho.

[Bojangles69]

This can't be so, else you would've spelled genius the correct way. I do still enjoy reading your posts tho.

What if I already edited my post for spelling and missed it TWICE!

[TexSavant]

in the very near future our expected ages will start increasing faster than time itself propagates.....so if you can wait it out there will be a solution within the next 50 years for sure

Looks like someone has been listening to Dr. Aubrey de Grey. I believe the term for what you are describing is "Longevity Escape Velocity".

Go to

www.mfoundation.org

For more info if you want to share in the sliver of hope that is the SENS project.

It is essestially about a 7-pronged approach to manipulating the human body through hormones, stem cells, and very ambitious gene therapy. It stands for
Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence. Fancy speak for "Finding ways to stop people from becoming weak and frail due to aging"

[Flagg]

having kids would for the most part be phased out as a necessity

I can see it now, the few billionaires (the only people that would be able to afford the technology and medicine required to extend their lifespans) telling everyone else to stop having kids cause their presence is unbalancing the population even more.

And I thought you was against socialism..

[Flagg]

The *ONLY* time anyone can ever have a problem with death is when they think they are more important then they really are, think about it.

You thinking about death is kind of the worlds way of trying to make you understand that you're really not special at all. You've been crushing insects/swating flies/eating meat and generally participating in cycles of death since you were born.

I think at some point humans realize how much death they cause as a collective whole and it scares them. 8 billion chickens die every year do you think about that?
All the cows we slaughter for beef?
The seals we club for their fur?
The ant you stepped on yesterday?

Why is it easy to not think about that, but then when it comes to human life its all a sudden a big deal?
Its not, we are no more special then the seagull that shits on our head at the beach. Intelligence doesnt make something important, it just sometimes fools that something into thinking it IS important.

You thinking about death is the only real way you can gain appreciation for everything else ALIVE in this world. Not just your family or friends, but the entire world.
In a hundred years everyone on this forum will be dead.

Its not a happy thought but you'll be happier right now knowing your not dead yet. =]

I agree with this to a degree. What makes a human being anymore important than a bee? Oh im sure people will chime in with a human beings amazing power of invention. However, take away every human on the planet, the world would roll on. Remove all the bees and you have a problem. Remove all the flies and you have a problem. When you look at things like that, then you start to question if we really think we are the most important species on the planet.

[Dobie-BOY]

oh crap, i must have taken a wrong turn looking for the mens room and ended up in the ladies room.

haha!! That's great^

[Kratos]

there are always detractors and nay sayers at first.......you'll see

There aren't too many yay sayers at this point except for wishful thinker's...plan on dieing fatty

[dehydromethandrotren]

this can't be so, else you would've spelled genius the correct way. I do still enjoy reading your posts tho. :aagreen22

lmao

[dehydromethandrotren]

The *ONLY* time anyone can ever have a problem with death is when they think they are more important then they really are, think about it.

You thinking about death is kind of the worlds way of trying to make you understand that you're really not special at all. You've been crushing insects/swating flies/eating meat and generally participating in cycles of death since you were born.

I think at some point humans realize how much death they cause as a collective whole and it scares them. 8 billion chickens die every year do you think about that?
All the cows we slaughter for beef?
The seals we club for their fur?
The ant you stepped on yesterday?

Why is it easy to not think about that, but then when it comes to human life its all a sudden a big deal?
Its not, we are no more special then the seagull that shits on our head at the beach. Intelligence doesnt make something important, it just sometimes fools that something into thinking it IS important.

You thinking about death is the only real way you can gain appreciation for everything else ALIVE in this world. Not just your family or friends, but the entire world.
In a hundred years everyone on this forum will be dead.

Its not a happy thought but you'll be happier right now knowing your not dead yet. =]

I agree in a sense as well

[Brown Ninja]

The *ONLY* time anyone can ever have a problem with death is when they think they are more important then they really are, think about it.

You thinking about death is kind of the worlds way of trying to make you understand that you're really not special at all. You've been crushing insects/swating flies/eating meat and generally participating in cycles of death since you were born.

I think at some point humans realize how much death they cause as a collective whole and it scares them. 8 billion chickens die every year do you think about that?
All the cows we slaughter for beef?
The seals we club for their fur?
The ant you stepped on yesterday?

Why is it easy to not think about that, but then when it comes to human life its all a sudden a big deal?
Its not, we are no more special then the seagull that shits on our head at the beach. Intelligence doesnt make something important, it just sometimes fools that something into thinking it IS important.

You thinking about death is the only real way you can gain appreciation for everything else ALIVE in this world. Not just your family or friends, but the entire world.
In a hundred years everyone on this forum will be dead.

Its not a happy thought but you'll be happier right now knowing your not dead yet. =]

Sort of a dark way of looking at it but I agree to some extent. I do feel as if the seals deserve it though....

[DNoMac]

Call me crazy, but I feel more significant and important than a fly or cow. Dogs on the other hand...them things have character.

[tyward]

Some people say that dogs can't go to heaven. I say they'll be there before any of us! A C Doyle

[Bojangles69]

I do feel as if the seals deserve it though....

lmao

[tyward]

I love seals, they taste like chicken...

[chicmagnet]

I would like to die doing something i really enjoy...

Flaming some dumb ass twat on here...

You really need to get out more...lol

[TexSavant]

There are a couple of common misconceptions about aging that people have. Namely, that it is an inevitable consequence or function of time, or that our cells are programmed to age. Neither is true. The Human body does a remarkably good job of cleaning and fixing itself up by the standards of the Animal Kingdom. We're not the best, but we are way ahead of most.

Science understands aging rather well, that doesn't mean we can stop it just yet. Johannes Kepler understood the orbits of celestial bodies with mathematical certainty, but clearly could not put anything INTO orbit. So here it is :

First of all, METABOLISM KILLS YOU in the end...
or rather certain lethal and unexcretable chemicals build up over time as a result of metabolism (by metabolism I mean ALL of the biochemical processes that occur within the body) free radical damage. etc.. anyone who juices and does their homework knows how complex our bodies chemical processes are.

Here's how:

There are 7 Primary factors that cause the collection of deleterious processes we lump together with the term "AGING".

1. Cellular Atrophy - As more "Chemical Waste" builds up with each successive generation of cells ( the things you cant break down go to the lysosomes aka Cellular Garbage Disposal/ Recycling plant/ Landfill) the lifespan of the cells begins to decline, and eventually the death rate exceeds the birth rate of new cells.

2. Mutations in your nuclear DNA - Free Radicals, radiation, carcinogenic chemicals. This is what leads to cancer. Cancer can start in somatic cells (non-stem cells) that mutate 1 of exactly 2 ways. Either they activate the gene to rebuild the telomeres (protective caps of non-active DNA that keep your chromosomes neat & tidy) One way is which rebuilds the caps on the chromosomes and allows UNCONTROLLED MULTIPLICATION. There is another enzyme called ALT that achieves essentially the same thing. Stem-Cells sometimes go berserk too, but they are supposed to have infinite telemeres because they are the source of cellular replenishment. The other Problem is that sometimes these cells become SUPER-STRONG DEATH-RESISTANT MOTHER****ERS. This phenomenon is less well understood. They also refuse to kill themselves, see when your immune system detects a damaged cell, it issues a "hormonal command" if you will, telling the BAD CELL to FALL ON HIS SWORD, we call this Apoptosis. The Critical thing though is the uncontrolled growth, because when that is normal the damaged "BAD CELLS" can only multiply for 50 generations give or take resulting in a tumor no larger than a pea, which will whither away after some time, probably never noticed.(Hayflick's Limit, telomeres wear off with each successiv division) Think of the Hayflick's limit as an insurance policy, sorta like the Lysine contingency in Jurassic park, but sometimes "life" finds a way.....

3. Cellular Senescence - Cells that no longer function properly, due to accumulated metabolic damage (Some Immune system cells wander around the body taking up space & resources and your immune system degrades) . Another type of bad OLD GEEZER cell that doesn't like go away appear to accumulate in quite large numbers in just one tissue (the cartilage in our joints), but even in these small numbers they appear to pose a disproportionate threat to the surrounding, healthy tissues, because of their abnormal metabolic state. Senescent cells secrete abnormally large amounts of some proteins that are harmful to their neighbors, stimulating excessive growth and degrading normal tissue architecture. These changes appear to promote the progression of cancer.


4.Intracellular "Junk Molecules"

As stated before, the compounds that can't be digested, destroyed, or recycled by the Lysosome are slowly accumulating, - even as I write and you read - inside the lysosome, then spill out into the cytoplasm (the general area inside a cell to be simplistic) causing cells to do BAD THINGS that I have already mentioned.

5. Extracellular "Junk Molecules"

Eventually you end up with a bunch of CRAPPY MOLECULES floating around everywhere, and some of them are LETHAL. 7-ketocholesterol cannot be broken down by the body. It is a species of oxidized cholesterol. Another ****ING FREE-RADICAL PROBLEM. This is the shit that clogs your arteries.
Some people develop problems with a protein called Beta-Amyloid, which starts to fill up around your neurons, interfering with their function and eventually killing them. We call this ALZHEIMER's. ( I do simplify on this one, but thats a topic unto itself.)

6. Mitochondrial Mutations - Your Mitochondria have their own DNA. 13 genes to be precise. It isn't much, but we cant live without these little critters. They make a little thing called ATP. Which is produced by glycolosis, the Krebs cycle and electron transport. ATP in turn provides energy for the cell at the molecular level. I'm sure EVERYONE HERE knows about ATP. Anyway, as their DNA becomes damaged by radiation and ****ING FREE-RADICALS they begin to die off. This contributes to the increasingly limited strength and stamina seen in old age.

7. BAD Proteins. - As all us Juicers know, All the proteins inside our cells are destroyed and rebuilt quite regularly, as a way to keep them in a generally undamaged state. Some of the proteins outside our cells, however, are laid down early in our life and then never recycled at all; while some others are only recycled very slowly. The proper functioning of the tissues composed of these structural proteins – the elasticity of the artery wall, or the transparency of the lens of the eye, or the high tensile strength of the ligaments – relies on their maintaining their proper structure, but chemical reactions with other molecules in the extracellular space occasionally result in a chemical bond (a so-called cross-link) between two nearby proteins that were previously free-moving, impairing their ability to slide across or along each other. This effect is especially prominent in the case of the artery wall, which becomes much more rigid as its proteins are cross-linked – leading to high blood pressure.


Aging is a collection of symptoms that are indicative of a body that has been chemically damage largely by its own life processes. We understand this in near totallity. Whether or not we will be able to ENGINEER the right enzymes, antioxidants, Gene therapies and everything else that goes with it - IS ANOTHER MATTER.

FOR NOW you should probably do as KRATOS says, and plan on dying. But.... there is a small chance that we will be freed of aging. In the short term we have lots of NEW HORMONES to play with, some of which are promising :-)

One final note : Even the defeat of aging will not make us immortal, using current statistics you'd live on average just over 1,000 years before an accident or infectious disease nabs you.

We can defeat aging someday, but no one will cheat death forever.

Oh yeah, and taking my biochem classes in college is actually what convinced me to Cycle :-)

Apologies for my verbosity gentlemen!

[TexSavant]

The *ONLY* time anyone can ever have a problem with death is when they think they are more important then they really are, think about it.

You thinking about death is kind of the worlds way of trying to make you understand that you're really not special at all. You've been crushing insects/swating flies/eating meat and generally participating in cycles of death since you were born.

I think at some point humans realize how much death they cause as a collective whole and it scares them. 8 billion chickens die every year do you think about that?
All the cows we slaughter for beef?
The seals we club for their fur?
The ant you stepped on yesterday?

Why is it easy to not think about that, but then when it comes to human life its all a sudden a big deal?
Its not, we are no more special then the seagull that shits on our head at the beach. Intelligence doesnt make something important, it just sometimes fools that something into thinking it IS important.

You thinking about death is the only real way you can gain appreciation for everything else ALIVE in this world. Not just your family or friends, but the entire world.
In a hundred years everyone on this forum will be dead.

Its not a happy thought but you'll be happier right now knowing your not dead yet. =]

I appreciate the level of thoughtfulness in this post. But are you a Vegetarian? at least a Pescatarian ? I am also curious about how you started to see things this way. I do believe in appreciating the beauty of life in all its diverse forms. However, you may be overlooking something about intelligence. Sentience, self-awareness, is a function of intelligence. ANTS are not sentient. They are well-built biological machines, a wonderful thing to behold when they aren't stinging you for stepping on their house, but a non-thinking creature nonetheless. Morally speaking, if there is any animal that we regularly consume for food that actually thinks and feels in anyway similar to us - It is the Pig. They are the smartest of all commonly domesticated animals.

It is the State of Sentience that makes some animals special. Humans, Apes, probably Dolphins. It is this spark of consciousness that comes about from a critical mass of intelligence that allows us to realize we are alive. We have some degree of will and choice, we are not COMPLETELY ruled by programming (Instincts)

You good Sir are able to contemplate the value of life because you are conscious. Because you are SENTIENT. You can appreciate the beauty of the Ant, and the Cow, even though they will never be able to do the same. In short You are remarkable beacuse YOU have a MIND. You can seek understanding of the world and admire its beauty. That is the essential gift of being human.

[Nicotine]

im gonna do so much juice, they wont need to embalm me.

im going to make one beautiful corpse.

on the other hand - be so glad you have this time with your kids.

with me being gay, i dont have that joy. and i probally never will..... i envy you in many ways.

[TexSavant]

im gonna do so much juice, they wont need to embalm me.

im going to make one beautiful corpse.

on the other hand - be so glad you have this time with your kids.

with me being gay, i dont have that joy. and i probally never will..... i envy you in many ways.

Science will likely fix this problem one day too. Through virtually the same process that cloning is achieved (Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer) you could in theory, take the nucleus of a sperm cell and insert it into a donor egg (this would actually be a Gamete Cell Nuclear Transfer) and then allow the other sperm cells to fertilize it in vitro. So long as the "artificial egg" was made from an X-chromosome carrying sperm, this is theoretically feasible.

However, adult stem cells may actually be a more promising route :

"A new study released by a group of scientists based in Great Britain this week claims that “within 5 to 15 years” new advances in stem cell research may make it possible for infertile and gay couples to have children.

According to the group, “artificial” sperm and eggs could be produced from stem cells, allowing the carrying and exchange of DNA cells among infertile and gay couples."

http://www.christianpost.com/Society...-17/index.html

Yes the full story is on the christian post website. You still might want to read it. Either way a surrogate mother is also needed.