America, we're all vaginas

[Kratos]

Look back at WWII, all who served are reveared and regarded as hero's.

How did we win?
Well, after we defeted their mechanized army, we terrorized civilians until they surrendored.

We're fighting Iraq and Afghanistan with both hands tied behind our back.

We don't know how to fight a war anymore.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki, almost all civilians.

Fire bombings, carpet bombing. Massive casualties.

Yet in this day and age we can't win a war against a pathetic enemy, suck in the 14th century.

Support terrorist training camps...carpet bomb. Do it again carpet bomb.

Until maybe it becomes unpopular to support terrorists.

Who here has a problem with that and why?

[BJJ]

Look back at WWII, all who served are reveared and regarded as hero's.

How did we win?
Well, after we defeted their mechanized army, we terrorized civilians until they surrendored.

We're fighting Iraq and Afghanistan with both hands tied behind our back.

We don't know how to fight a war anymore.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki, almost all civilians.

Fire bombings, carpet bombing. Massive casualties.

Yet in this day and age we can't win a war against a pathetic enemy, suck in the 14th century.

Support terrorist training camps...carpet bomb. Do it again carpet bomb.

Until maybe it becomes unpopular to support terrorists.

Who here has a problem with that and why?

It seems to me you are searching for a "sparring partner" to do a valetudo match!

[Mooseman33]

i love the idea kratos..

to bad the liberals will not allow that type of violence..

[dangerous dan]

i agree 100% brits and americans need to get hardcore out there, get wild!!!

[stack_it]

I agree if we make there people suffer they will get fed up and fight with us. Kind of like the if you can't beat em join em idea. If the Iraqi people turned against the terrorist they would fall quickly.

[Kratos]

It seems to me you are searching for a "sparring partner" to do a valetudo match!

No, I just think we don't know how to fight a war anymore and the general public is the problem.

I'm sick of the arab hate to America when we are bending over and spending huge amounts of resources to avoid civilian casualties.

If they're going to hate us anyway

[zimmy]

How did we win?
Well, after we defeted their mechanized army, we terrorized civilians until they surrendored.

Wow...I wish there was a wwII vet here so they could tear into you. You weren't there and from the sounds of it you haven't spoken candidately with some one who has. Those wars were wars vs countries with the enemy wearing a uniform.


Also...you might want to consider the reason we went to war with iraq was because sadaam used the same tactics you think we should use. So did the terrorist who attack us.

[BJJ]

No, I just think we don't know how to fight a war anymore and the general public is the problem.

I'm sick of the arab hate to America when we are bending over and spending huge amounts of resources to avoid civilian casualties.

If they're going to hate us anyway

You arm them, so do not complain!

[Flagg]

What do you suggest the US and UK do, Nuke the entire region of Afghanistan?

During WW II, America were about the only country that had developed Nukes, so there was absolutely no fear of nuclear retaliation.

You nuke regions of Afghanistan, and that immediately pisses off Pakistan and Russia who DO have nukes today. Not to mention putting everyone on panic mode.

Nukes today DETER things like WW I and WW II re-occuring. Christ if there ever is a WW III, it wont be like the first two occasions, it'll be everyone emptying every available silo they have.

The rules of engagement are different today. Like Zimmy said, it was conscripted soldier against conscripted soldier. Us chasing Al Queda, The Taliban and ex Mujihadeen around afghan mountains is not the same thing.

The sooner these retarded politicians realise that Afghanistan is an unwinnable region of the world the better. But politicians know the square root of fvck all.

[Nooomoto]

A Ranger and Lt. Col. once said "There is no more decisive victory than military victory"...I don't disagree.

[dangerous dan]

What do you suggest the US and UK do, Nuke the entire region of Afghanistan?

During WW II, America were about the only country that had developed Nukes, so there was absolutely no fear of nuclear retaliation.

You nuke regions of Afghanistan, and that immediately pisses off Pakistan and Russia who DO have nukes today. Not to mention putting everyone on panic mode.

Nukes today DETER things like WW I and WW II re-occuring. Christ if there ever is a WW III, it wont be like the first two occasions, it'll be everyone emptying every available silo they have.

The rules of engagement are different today. Like Zimmy said, it was conscripted soldier against conscripted soldier. Us chasing Al Queda, The Taliban and ex Mujihadeen around afghan mountains is not the same thing.

The sooner these retarded politicians realise that Afghanistan is an unwinnable region of the world the better. But politicians know the square root of fvck all.

why would it piss off russia? i thought they were in our little ring of friendship lol. But if your right, good post because i dont recomend pissing russia off.

[JDawg1536]

Different war, different fight. You can't compare the two.

[Big]

I'm a complete douchebag, please ban me

you got it junior.

[Big]

I'm a liar and a scammer

indeed.

[big_k]

We're fighting Iraq and Afghanistan with both hands tied behind our back.

We don't know how to fight a war anymore.

Thats why we shouldn't of gone in, in the first place. With political correctness and the whole world watching what the US is doing, we don't stand a chance.

[big_k]

scam these big ones...see if theyre legit..

stop trying to advertise some BS website, in a completely unrelated thread

gtfo

[dangerous dan]

scam these big ones...see if theyre legit..

look no offence mate but get the fuk out of here....your boring us. no1 gives a **** what your trying to flog. bye bye turd.

[Kratos]

What do you suggest the US and UK do, Nuke the entire region of Afghanistan?

During WW II, America were about the only country that had developed Nukes, so there was absolutely no fear of nuclear retaliation.

You nuke regions of Afghanistan, and that immediately pisses off Pakistan and Russia who DO have nukes today. Not to mention putting everyone on panic mode.

Nukes today DETER things like WW I and WW II re-occuring. Christ if there ever is a WW III, it wont be like the first two occasions, it'll be everyone emptying every available silo they have.

The rules of engagement are different today. Like Zimmy said, it was conscripted soldier against conscripted soldier. Us chasing Al Queda, The Taliban and ex Mujihadeen around afghan mountains is not the same thing.

The sooner these retarded politicians realise that Afghanistan is an unwinnable region of the world the better. But politicians know the square root of fvck all.

conventional bombs not nukes, the international community would never stand for the use of nukes again.
but pakistan has pretty shitty nukes and no way to deliver them.

[Kratos]

Wow...I wish there was a wwII vet here so they could tear into you. You weren't there and from the sounds of it you haven't spoken candidately with some one who has. Those wars were wars vs countries with the enemy wearing a uniform.


Also...you might want to consider the reason we went to war with iraq was because sadaam used the same tactics you think we should use. So did the terrorist who attack us.

How many of the 200,000 melted in dresdon firebombings were actually wearing uniforms.

Or of the 130k in hiroshima.

We won at all costs.

2/3 of the 70million casualties of wwII were civilians
many of them killed by the axis but still.

That's how the arabs are fighting in Israel to America. With disregard for civilians, because that's how you hurt the enemy.

[stack_it]

scam these big ones...see if theyre legit..

I say this with as much offense as you can take from it. You're an idiot get the fvck out of this thread and try to scam someone on another board where they allow tools like you. Have a nice day douchebag

stop trying to advertise some BS website, in a completely unrelated thread

gtfo

Agreed

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

With disregard for civilians, because that's how you hurt the enemy.

Indeed. Lets blow them all off the face of the earth, and move on.

[MaNiCC]

What do you suggest the US and UK do, Nuke the entire region of Afghanistan?

During WW II, America were about the only country that had developed Nukes, so there was absolutely no fear of nuclear retaliation.

You nuke regions of Afghanistan, and that immediately pisses off Pakistan and Russia who DO have nukes today. Not to mention putting everyone on panic mode.

Nukes today DETER things like WW I and WW II re-occuring. Christ if there ever is a WW III, it wont be like the first two occasions, it'll be everyone emptying every available silo they have.

The rules of engagement are different today. Like Zimmy said, it was conscripted soldier against conscripted soldier. Us chasing Al Queda, The Taliban and ex Mujihadeen around afghan mountains is not the same thing.

The sooner these retarded politicians realise that Afghanistan is an unwinnable region of the world the better. But politicians know the square root of fvck all.

Great post.

we are fighting a war on terrorism in foreign countries even though it is on doorsteps. Im a (dirty brit btw) both america and england act on ill informed opinions and treat them as a vital voice of democracy. but what do we do now? the war is already here. we cant nuke other countries such as Afghanistan because there are countries such as iran, russia and north korea waiting to push the button. if there is a world war III it will be the last war this world ever see's.

[Kratos]

Great post.

we are fighting a war on terrorism in foreign countries even though it is on doorsteps. Im a (dirty brit btw) both america and england act on ill informed opinions and treat them as a vital voice of democracy. but what do we do now? the war is already here. we cant nuke other countries such as Afghanistan because there are countries such as iran, russia and north korea waiting to push the button. if there is a world war III it will be the last war this world ever see's.

I'll say again, NOT! nuclear.
Iran doesn't have a button to push, north korea can't deliver a weapon more that 6k miles (out of range for US) and can't hit the broad side of a barn even at that range, russia is not interested in doing any button pushing...unless we target them.

The fallout would be international relations mainly. But I'll repeat, NOT! nuclear.

[Nooomoto]

Afghanistan is indeed winnable, but not with our armed forces having their hands tied behind their backs and one eye closed. If you send them in, cut their hands free and let them rock like they were trained to do. We fight like bitches in an effort to not offend our "allies."

I'm not against the war. What I am against is having troops there and not letting them do what they are there to do. If you aren't gonna let those boys do what they signed up for, then bring them home out of harms way until you figure out WTF your objective is.

We need to clone Eisenhower and Patton.

As far as collateral damage goes, thats what happens when you let terrorists live in your neighborhood.

[dangerous dan]

do you guys ever think this war could take a turn for the worse? i mean we have them occupied at the min, but when we do eventually pull out do you think all hell could break loose? i dont think we have any chance to reason with these sort of contries, id hate to think this could turn alot worse than it allready is. Afgan is so fuked up, i dont see how we can win, unless as Kratos said we bomb the lot (i best say this no nukes!) flatern the muggy country and have done with it.

[dangerous dan]

Afghanistan is indeed winnable, but not with our armed forces having their hands tied behind their backs and one eye closed. If you send them in, cut their hands free and let them rock like they were trained to do. We fight like bitches in an effort to not offend our "allies."

I'm not against the war. What I am against is having troops there and not letting them do what they are there to do. If you aren't gonna let those boys do what they signed up for, then bring them home out of harms way until you figure out WTF your objective is.

We need to clone Eisenhower and Patton.

As far as collateral damage goes, thats what happens when you let terrorists live in your neighborhood.

strongly agree!! our men have to many boundaries

[zimmy]

yah forget those ethics and morals...kill them all...enemy, civilian, children...whatever it takes.

Sure sounds like the things terrorist would say.

[Nooomoto]

yah forget those ethics and morals...kill them all...enemy, civilian, children...whatever it takes.

Sure sounds like the things terrorist would say.

The difference is we don't bring our civilian wives and children to war with us, they do.

[zimmy]

We would have to "bring them with us" if the battle ground was in your city or even your neighborhood

[BJJ]

What do you suggest the US and UK do, Nuke the entire region of Afghanistan?

During WW II, America were about the only country that had developed Nukes, so there was absolutely no fear of nuclear retaliation.

You nuke regions of Afghanistan, and that immediately pisses off Pakistan and Russia who DO have nukes today. Not to mention putting everyone on panic mode.

Nukes today DETER things like WW I and WW II re-occuring. Christ if there ever is a WW III, it wont be like the first two occasions, it'll be everyone emptying every available silo they have.

The rules of engagement are different today. Like Zimmy said, it was conscripted soldier against conscripted soldier. Us chasing Al Queda, The Taliban and ex Mujihadeen around afghan mountains is not the same thing.

The sooner these retarded politicians realise that Afghanistan is an unwinnable region of the world the better. But politicians know the square root of fvck all.

Politicians are only pawns and the above reported wars were decided much before they started.
Today, there is no reason for a third world war because it would contrast the economical situation developed in occasion of the 2 foregoing.
I do not know if it is clear to the most of you that "the case" in regard to this topic is a no sense word.

[BJJ]

Indeed. Lets blow them all off the face of the earth, and move on.

*Amen*

[kojak_x]

*Amen*

Problem is who is going to press the button.

[RANA]

The problem is civilians attempting to run a war, they need to keep there dicks out of there since they have no ****ing clue what they are doing!

[Nooomoto]

We would have to "bring them with us" if the battle ground was in your city or even your neighborhood

I really doubt I'd see American men using their wives and children as cover.

[dangerous dan]

they should send me in, id have a nice word with the taliban im sure they would hear me out ''hey cant we just all get along?''. lol.

On a serious note, the amount of pakistanis over in england is silly so if anything were to kick off with pakistan, all hell would break loose, im not sure what would happen. One thing that puzzles me is, why are we fighting over in afghan when our own countries got afghans running about the place. Its like were not fighting for our countries anymore because its not our country, its full of scroungers coming over & spunging off the systme.

[Flagg]

Okay, lets pretend ethics don't exist for one moment, how exactly do you conventionally bomb the Afghanistan mountain range?

Because that's where "the bad guys" are hiding.

When the Soviets were in Afghanistan for most of the 80's, I heard of shocking things the Ivans did to entice the Mujahadeen out of hiding. Sometimes it worked but not always. The point in they went into that region without their hands tied as everyone likes to point out, yet even THEY couldn't get the job done. 10 years later they moved out.

What makes you think us operating with the same ruthlessness the Ivans operated with will make any difference what so ever.

If you want everyone to stop being PC, then blame the Media for that. Blame the government for that. Don't blame the people for giving a shit about human life.

EDIT: If its any consolation, one day the Middle East will be one giant crater, including Israel. That part of the world is on borrowed time and I'd be amazed if it was still there 100 years from now.

[collar]

why not just pull out of those countries and let them kill each other if thats what they want to do???

another thing i believe there was never a need to go in there to afghan or iraq.

iraq??/ theres no more saddam anymore, give them their country and let them deal with it how they want...

or maybe there is more important things there for the US so they cant leave..

afghan i think the mountains are very important to the US if they can eventually take control of it cause they will have good control of the area and view of all...

i think why not get out of there, dont let anymore troops die and let them kill themselves if they want too..

cause occupying is not helping, all it is doing is provoking them and making them grow.

[Flagg]

why not just pull out of those countries and let them kill each other if thats what they want to do???

another thing i believe there was never a need to go in there to afghan or iraq.

iraq??/ theres no more saddam anymore, give them their country and let them deal with it how they want...

or maybe there is more important things there for the US so they cant leave..

afghan i think the mountains are very important to the US if they can eventually take control of it cause they will have good control of the area and view of all...

i think why not get out of there, dont let anymore troops die and let them kill themselves if they want too..

cause occupying is not helping, all it is doing is provoking them and making them grow.

Iraq was never about Saddam, it was all about the OIL! So yeah, we got the oil but at the cost of 5000 soldiers. Only the Governments will keep telling us its to bring peace to the Iraqi people, WHAT A JOKE! Afghanistan is only because its closer to Pakistan than Israel is.

[collar]

excatly bro thats what im saying.

you know so i say is it worth it, really is it worth getting innocent young people killed.

[MuscleScience]

American has the Military might to defeat virtually any enemy on the battle field today. However we do not have the political nor civil will to pay the price to win another world war. If WWII happened today we would fight Hitler and Hirohito until it became politically unpopular.