Pic of the great AAS guru William Llewellyn

**Swifto** · 03-13-2010, 07:00 AM

He's a decent researcher/writer and he's just trying to make a living for himself in this industry.

He's been linked with supp. companies and UGL's yes, but who's the twat that often makes those claims.... Anthony Conners (Roberts). Who's, IMHO, is 100x worse than Llewellyn.

Arachidonic Acid is bullshit. It may "enhance arobic capactiy", but nada for LBM gains, strength etc...

http://www.jissn.com/content/4/1/21

"Conclusion
AA supplementation during resistance-training may enhance anaerobic capacity and lessen the inflammatory response to training. However, AA supplementation did not promote statistically greater gains in strength, muscle mass, or influence markers of muscle hypertrophy.

Many supplement companies, like Gaspari Nutrition's Halodrol Liquigels then dropped it as an ingredient.

**Swifto** · 03-13-2010, 07:10 AM

From full paper:

"These findings provide preliminary evidence that AA supplementation may have some benefit for individuals engaged in intense resistance-training. However, although some potentially beneficial trends were observed, AA supplementation had no statistically significant effects on strength, muscle mass, hormonal markers of anabolism/catabolism, or intracellular markers of muscle hypertrophy. Whether training status, dosage, supplement timing, length of supplementation, sample size, and/or the type of training may yield more positive results remains to be examined with additional research. Additionally, whether some athletes may respond better to AA supplementation than others should be explored."

Ouch.

Pioneer huh...

Stick to writing and researching I think.

**marcus300** · 03-13-2010, 07:23 AM

haha studies, for every study stating one thing, there always another going in the opposite direction, there do make me laugh

***D7M*** · 03-13-2010, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by MuscleScience

I don't believe anyone that has gone through a PhD program and wants to be a serious research scientist and get tenior at a respectable university is going to research anabolics for anything other than legitimate medical reasons.

Hmmm. Guess we just have to agree to disagree on that one, MS.

**alexISthrowed** · 03-13-2010, 09:54 AM

I thought this thread was gonna be about dan duchaine. Ive never heard of this dude.

**Kratos** · 03-13-2010, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

haha studies, for every study stating one thing, there always another going in the opposite direction, there do make me laugh

he didn't invent that shit
it's an essential fat in fish oil
omega-6
most people who know about nutrition know Americans and Europeans now get far too much of the omega-6s and not enough of the omega-3s. It isn't something you should be consuming in mass quantities.

it's been linked to depression
encourages blood clotting and platelet aggregation, increases in blood viscosity, spasm of blood vessels, and vasoconstriction.
adding to culture media causes prostate cancer cells to grow twice as fast (omega 3's have the opposite effect)

It's been studied for a long time, but why would you supplement it more than other essential fats?

**Kratos** · 03-13-2010, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by D7M

Hmmm. Guess we just have to agree to disagree on that one, MS.

ha, sure, nerds might want to get big.

I think what he's saying is...they aren't going to write a book on how to abuse and obtain illegal substances.

**Kratos** · 03-13-2010, 11:32 AM

http://www.cbn.com/health/naturalhea...donicacid.aspx

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...lth.html?cat=5

lmao that pretty much the essential fat you want to avoid the most in your diet, bodybuilders are stupid enough to be brainwashed into paying money to take.

**Kratos** · 03-13-2010, 11:54 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...treatment.html

**Hard.On** · 03-13-2010, 11:58 AM

I personally think that Marcus300 should have is job

if that guy can make a dollar Marcus can make 10.

Your going to have to start charging the forum, or make everyonew pay you to post a response on their thread

***D7M*** · 03-13-2010, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Kratos

ha, sure, nerds might want to get big.

I think what he's saying is...they aren't going to write a book on how to abuse and obtain illegal substances.

lol...hey, I'm a nerd who wants to get big

But, yah, I got his point....

**Kratos** · 03-13-2010, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by twotimer

I personally think that Marcus300 should have is job

if that guy can make a dollar Marcus can make 10.

Your going to have to start charging the forum, or make everyonew pay you to post a response on their thread

for the love of money or the love of muscle
people who love the muscle too much don't make good swindlers

**Schmidty** · 03-13-2010, 12:42 PM

ill trade u a charmander for a bulbasaur

Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx

I know a lot about pokemon, but I don't look like one... weird.

**marcus300** · 03-13-2010, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by twotimer

I personally think that Marcus300 should have is job

if that guy can make a dollar Marcus can make 10.

Your going to have to start charging the forum, or make everyonew pay you to post a response on their thread

I like you

You could be my salesman

**Hard.On** · 03-13-2010, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

I like you

You could be my salesman

Funny you should say that
I am a salesman

**goose** · 03-16-2010, 01:11 PM

Paul Borreson was a character,extreme but he got you results,this board will never be ready for that training VHS video

Originally Posted by marcus300

Email him and find out ive seen his email addy somewhere, ive no idea what he claims or says except what I posted above which was taken from his site, i think he is a good writer and i dont see many other people in this field writing books with the indepth he does.

If you like his work read it, if you dont read someone else's its that simple but I find it hard to take when people slag him off and they havent even wrote one book/article but thats the internet for you.....big opinions with no foundation.

He does it for a living rather successfull so he must do something right. As far as writers go I liked Paul Borreson he was way ahead of his field, I use to ring him up and he lost me many times explaining stuff to me but he was very extreme!!

Guess all what people can do is read some of his books and make there own mind up.

**lovestospooge23** · 03-16-2010, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

Do professional football coaches need to be in good enough condition to get on the field and play a game? Of course not.

no but they sure as hell better of been at one point

**marcus300** · 03-16-2010, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by goose

Paul Borreson was a character,extreme but he got you results,this board will never be ready for that training VHS video

I have Paul's and Ian video lol its kept in a cool dark place

**FranciscoG** · 03-16-2010, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

I have Paul's and Ian video lol its kept in a cool dark place

Arnold would call Pauld and Ian, men

What would Arnold call William Llewellyn?

Girly man.

**marcus300** · 03-16-2010, 02:28 PM

He doesn't train, so he isn't in the same league as someone who does

how odd!

**FranciscoG** · 03-16-2010, 02:33 PM

I agree with that statement ^^...

He uses aas but does not train.

You know what Arnold would call that?

DUmb ass.

**marcus300** · 03-16-2010, 02:37 PM

Nope, he doesnt use gear either...

I bet Arnold would call you a bitter guy

you seem to have all the answers but your clueless maybe if you could do better at writing and researching instead of him..........but then again lol

chill bill

**FranciscoG** · 03-16-2010, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Nope, he doesnt use gear either...

I bet Arnold would call you a bitter guy

you seem to have all the answers but your clueless maybe if you could do better at writing and researching instead of him..........but then again lol

chill bill

Not bitter at all. In fact you can I care about subjects like this.

I am not at all in the same field or in any way in competing with the guy.

As many of the members stated there is a greater problem here (more than one but hey)...

But he HAS STATED HE HIS use of aas publically. He has stated so in different interviews. I can post links to interviews he has done stating so...

You can say I care and have a problem with it.

My issue is simple. If you use and you look like that what does that say? Honestly, you can not tell me if a guru that looks like that and has stated he has used is a person you (personally) have as much respect for? If so then were are just not in agreement, I believe the use of aas and being a guru should represent itself in real life...

**goose** · 03-16-2010, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by PharmDoc-Cyrus

Not bitter at all. In fact you can I care about subjects like this.

I am not at all in the same field or in any way in competing with the guy.

As many of the members stated there is a greater problem here (more than one but hey)...

But he HAS STATED HE HIS use of aas publically. He has stated so in different interviews. I can post links to interviews he has done stating so...

You can say I care and have a problem with it.

My issue is simple. If you use and you look like that what does that say? Honestly, you can not tell me if a guru that looks like that and has stated he has used is a person you (personally) have as much respect for? If so then were are just not in agreement, I believe the use of aas and being a guru should represent itself in real life...

Dude your clueless....The greatest guru ever was Dan duchaine,he was a user but did not look great,it means nothing,his Intellect was special.

You know the guy that invented the akins diet he never employed it.

The great dave Palumbo never used a keto diet. when he competed.I could go on,so your sentiment does not flow well.

**marcus300** · 03-16-2010, 03:00 PM

I agree you do have a problem with him

Dont buy his books then

**marcus300** · 03-16-2010, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by goose

Dude your clueless....The greatest guru ever was Dan duchaine,he was a user but did not look great,it means nothing,his Intellect was special.

You know the guy that invented the akins diet he never employed it.

The great dave Palumbo never used a keto diet. when he competed.I could go on,so your sentiment does not flow well.

I think he spends to much time thinking what Arnold would say to have any idea to be honest

**FranciscoG** · 03-16-2010, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

I agree you do have a problem with him

Dont buy his books then

Lol. Fair enough.

**lovestospooge23** · 03-17-2010, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

I have Paul's and Ian video lol its kept in a cool dark place

i don't agree with all his cycles hes put on his 2009 book though, he lists a-drol only and deca only cycles and they are always very week cycles that last at most like 10 weeks.

**Swifto** · 03-18-2010, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by goose

Dude your clueless....The greatest guru ever was Dan duchaine,he was a user but did not look great,it means nothing,his Intellect was special.

You know the guy that invented the akins diet he never employed it.

The great dave Palumbo never used a keto diet. when he competed.I could go on,so your sentiment does not flow well.

Agreed.

Body might not have looked special, but his mind sure as **** was special.

I'm sure Nandi (Karl Hoffman) didnt look to clever but he was one of the greats.

BigCat hasnt ever used AAS, but again, he sure as **** knows what he's talking about in regards to pharmacology.

**tripmachine** · 03-18-2010, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Kratos

I think unless someone can prove he has credentials...I'd assume he does have any of value.

Probably another snake oil salesmen who's managed to re-hash the same information that's been out there for years. Then uses said information to promote basically dirt (supplements) by offering some semi science relalated explanation that the average user will just understand enough of to think it makes sense. But isn't regulated so there doesn't have to be any connection between what it says it does and what it does.

I think you're right to hate on him. He doesn't look like he's worked out more then twice. I don't see PhD after his name, so what's he really doing with his time...making money off meat heads.

you jump to negative conclusions a lot of times i've noticed....