Black Dudes and genetics

[BgMc31]

Twist, I do agree that early childhood participation prepares the body for future athletic success.

Like I said before, there may be some truth to the fact that people of African descent make better athletes. Slaves were bred like race horses and we are seeing the benefit of those genes passed along in some athletes. But I don't think its as big a determining factor anymore. With the supplements (legal), training, etc. Access to these makes a bigger difference than genetics, IMO.

[crazy_rocks]

I never said "leaning forward posture." In fact quite the opposite. Their posture was very elongated and erect; chin raised and straight up as if standing against a wall flat with head and shoulders touching the wall evenly or being able to walk with a book gracefully on your head with pelvic tilted under like it is taught to people who need to improve their posture.

i you didnt say leaning forward posture, i was just saying it because thats what i see everyday here in the U.S.

perhaps things are different in different parts of africa. i dont know. theres a guy from kenya i work with in the army. holy gee he has this lean forward thing. also long ass legs when you look at his whole body. kinda off balance looking. he can run real fast though.

[spywizard]

racism will never be gone until it's "a different man" or woman that is walking down the street and someone says, hey, look at that guy/person, those are cool pants..

not "hey, look at that black, green yellow" guy with the cool pants..

and ya'll know that over 3/4ths of the world population hates you because you live in America and don't believe what they believe, and the God that they believe in?? they hear it day in and day out as they grow up.. don't trust the foreigner..

race has nothing to do with it, cultural norms for that segment of the world populace..

[spywizard]

Twist, I do agree that early childhood participation prepares the body for future athletic success.

Like I said before, there may be some truth to the fact that people of African descent make better athletes. Slaves were bred like race horses and we are seeing the benefit of those genes passed along in some athletes. But I don't think its as big a determining factor anymore. With the supplements (legal), training, etc. Access to these makes a bigger difference than genetics, IMO.

i'd have to agree.. same with intelligence correct?? or the fact that parents pay to send their kids to Saturday school for math and science lessons..

[Gaspari1255]

Anybody remember Jimmy The Greek (Old school NFL announcer). He made one comment in the middle of a game and lost his job and career forever...it went something like this:

"Blacks are physically superior to whites because back in the days of slavery, the slave owners would breed the biggest and strongest male with the biggest and strongest female to create upcoming physically big, strong, and athletic slaves."

I'll leave you guys with that thought....

[Gaspari1255]

Twist, I do agree that early childhood participation prepares the body for future athletic success.

Like I said before, there may be some truth to the fact that people of African descent make better athletes. Slaves were bred like race horses and we are seeing the benefit of those genes passed along in some athletes. But I don't think its as big a determining factor anymore. With the supplements (legal), training, etc. Access to these makes a bigger difference than genetics, IMO.

Which is why I think within the next 20 years or so, the tables will turn, along with the genetics. The majority of black men in the gym do not and will not work nearly as hard as the white man, simply because they don't have to. And most of the time, the black guy who half asses his dieting and training, looks better than then white guy who busts his ass. With that being said, I think in the future everything will change and the white race will start to have the superior genetics.

[terraj]

Which is why I think within the next 20 years or so, the tables will turn, along with the genetics. The majority of black men in the gym do not and will not work nearly as hard as the white man, simply because they don't have to. And most of the time, the black guy who half asses his dieting and training, looks better than then white guy who busts his ass. With that being said, I think in the future everything will change and the white race will start to have the superior genetics.

Germans already have them

[crazy_rocks]

Anybody remember Jimmy The Greek (Old school NFL announcer). He made one comment in the middle of a game and lost his job and career forever...it went something like this:

"Blacks are physically superior to whites because back in the days of slavery, the slave owners would breed the biggest and strongest male with the biggest and strongest female to create upcoming physically big, strong, and athletic slaves."

I'll leave you guys with that thought....

nice info

if that announcer was correct then he is also incorrect because hes referring to descendants that were stolen from their homeland and specifically breed. that would not back up the state of a people without interruption. people need to analyze info more carefully before they speak.

[Gaspari1255]

nice info

if that announcer was correct then he is also incorrect because hes referring to descendants that were stolen from their homeland and specifically breed. that would not back up the state of a people without interruption. people need to analyze info more carefully before they speak.

Regardless of where they were taken from, his point still holds validity. Say 200 years ago, every large Italian male bred with the biggest and strongest Italian woman....Italians would be physically superior (along with blacks) to every other nationality.

I really don't think Jimmy The Greek made a racist comment what so ever, and should have never of lost his job.

On the other hand, when Tiger Woods won in 97' (I think) Fuzzy Zoeller, his competitor, made a comment something along these lines: "yeah its great he won but now they're gonna serve fried chicken and watermelon at the country club."


^Thats a fvcked up comment, and he deserved to lose his career.

[bjpennnn]

i have talked to a few bodybuilders about this subject and they said not to make a blanket statement but that blacks do have superior genetics when it comes to bodybuilding, but mostly the ones from america he said a 2nd close to them are germans. This was coming from a black guy.

[BgMc31]

i'd have to agree.. same with intelligence correct?? or the fact that parents pay to send their kids to Saturday school for math and science lessons..

I agree with you spy, 100%

Which is why I think within the next 20 years or so, the tables will turn, along with the genetics. The majority of black men in the gym do not and will not work nearly as hard as the white man, simply because they don't have to. And most of the time, the black guy who half asses his dieting and training, looks better than then white guy who busts his ass. With that being said, I think in the future everything will change and the white race will start to have the superior genetics.

So you can speak for the majority of black men who go to the gym? That's an insane comment. I train athletes and travel around the country doing so, and there is absolutely no proof to what you are saying. There are more black athletes generating more attention to play D1 football and basketball and making it in those sports as professionals. These guys (elite athletes) work harder than anyone. So your generalization is absurd.

And using this as a basis for whites eventually developing better genetics, that's ridiculous with absoluletly zero scientific proof. Slaves were often given the worst foods and living conditions but still produced countless numbers of superior athletes.

I believe your statements are a dream of yours, because they definitely have no proof.

[crazy_rocks]

i have talked to a few bodybuilders about this subject and they said not to make a blanket statement but that blacks do have superior genetics when it comes to bodybuilding, but mostly the ones from america he said a 2nd close to them are germans. This was coming from a black guy.

now its getting interesting. a certain race better at certain things? ok. we stated why certain people may be superior at whatever. now there are a lot of bulky black guys. that doesnt make em superior because they are more likely to be bulky. however this would back up that blacks can be better at bodybuilding. its interesting when you think about it.

[Gaspari1255]

I agree with you spy, 100%



So you can speak for the majority of black men who go to the gym? That's an insane comment. I train athletes and travel around the country doing so, and there is absolutely no proof to what you are saying. There are more black athletes generating more attention to play D1 football and basketball and making it in those sports as professionals. These guys (elite athletes) work harder than anyone. So your generalization is absurd.

And using this as a basis for whites eventually developing better genetics, that's ridiculous with absoluletly zero scientific proof. Slaves were often given the worst foods and living conditions but still produced countless numbers of superior athletes.

I believe your statements are a dream of yours, because they definitely have no proof.

Why do I need scientific research on a thread involving opinion? It's obvious you're one of those guys who thinks every black man is an angel and every white is an ignorant racist. Because of YOUR race I have to wear a bulletproof vest to work every night.


Here's a sign that I had made for my club the other night:

[terraj]

Why do I need scientific research on a thread involving opinion? It's obvious you're one of those guys who thinks every black man is an angel and every white is an ignorant racist. Because of YOUR race I have to wear a bulletproof vest to work every night.


Here's a sign that I had made for my club the other night:

Angry little fella huh, and you wonder why you can't meet a nice girl. Trash attaracts trash

[Gaspari1255]

Angry little fella huh, and you wonder why you can't meet a nice girl. Trash attaracts trash

Right......because being opinionated means trash. Having stereotypes is a part of life and its perfectly LEGAL.

[terraj]

Right......because being opinionated means trash. Having stereotypes is a part of life and its perfectly LEGAL.

Opinionated is fine, stupidity is not.

[Times Roman]

Hey can you guys pass the ketchup?

[DSM4Life]

I think this thread clearly shows whites are not intellectually superior!

[crazy_rocks]

I agree with you spy, 100%



So you can speak for the majority of black men who go to the gym? That's an insane comment. I train athletes and travel around the country doing so, and there is absolutely no proof to what you are saying. There are more black athletes generating more attention to play D1 football and basketball and making it in those sports as professionals. These guys (elite athletes) work harder than anyone. So your generalization is absurd.

not to many other people grow up wanting to be an athlete anymore

[B]Slaves were often given the worst foods and living conditions but still produced countless numbers of superior athletes.

and the genie came out of the bottle. but if a white person said this it would be racist.

[Shol'va]

[crazy_rocks]

I agree with you spy, 100%
Slaves were often given the worst foods and living conditions but still produced countless numbers of superior athletes.

because there is not such thing as an out of shape flabby arm, or unhealthy black guy right?

you spend to much of your time around athletes.

there now the thread became what everyone was trying to avoid thanks to you.

[Shol'va]

I went by the unemployment office the other day and I saw black folks. I drove by the post office I saw black folks. Went by the local barbeque again I saw black folks. when the government gives away food I see black folks. whats that say. Black folks like barbeque, when out of work they go to the unemployment office to collect their unemployment due them, they work for a living at the post office and other places, when down on their luck they turn to the government for help like everyone else. Conclusion: Black people are like everyone else genetics be damned.

[MR-FQ320]

Id like to know 'what' makes them have better genetics...whats different inside?

im not 100% sure on this but I think will be down to the DNA structure. maybe 'we' have not done enough research on DNA coding to discover the differences in DNA coding between different races that we are talking about. are we asking which genes make us stronger and faster?

[BgMc31]

Why do I need scientific research on a thread involving opinion? It's obvious you're one of those guys who thinks every black man is an angel and every white is an ignorant racist. Because of YOUR race I have to wear a bulletproof vest to work every night.

You don't need scientic proof for an opinion. I could suggest the same about YOUR race in certain areas of the country. But what does that have to do with the original topic? We weren't debating the violent tendency of one race over another.
Here's a sign that I had made for my club the other night:

because there is not such thing as an out of shape flabby arm, or unhealthy black guy right?
where did I suggest otherwise?
you spend to much of your time around athletes.
I'm a strength and conditioning coach. That's how I make my money. Plus it's relevant to the original question.
there now the thread became what everyone was trying to avoid thanks to you.

I wasn't suggesting that in the future whites or any other race would have better genetics. As a matter of fact I argued against the argument of blacks having better genetics. Read the entire thread before jumping into conclusions.

[Twist]

If we are to assume that black people have better genetics from being chosen and bread for strength and size etc, it would be foolish to think that whites or any other race will surpass them unless A) their genes get diluted with other races and/or other blacks who were not bread for this, or B) another race is treated in the same way.

In fact, if blacks are more out of shape and get fatter etc on the American diet that would make perfect sense as they were bread to be strong and big with little resources. Giving these individuals more resources and of course extra calories will turn to fat.

I think this thread has covered the topic at hand and unless someone has some new info to post ON THE SAME TOPIC, please let it die. We have stayed on topic for a good amount of time without moving into other, less desirable topics. Let's keep it that way

[Shol'va]

Yeah if this thread goes to 3 pages I'm going to revive the Zyzz thread! You have been warned....

[crazy_rocks]

I wasn't suggesting that in the future whites or any other race would have better genetics. As a matter of fact I argued against the argument of blacks having better genetics. Read the entire thread before jumping into conclusions.

im aware of that argument you were having with that other guy and that he was wrong. that had nothing to do with my response.

where did you suggest otherwise? well you said

Slaves were often given the worst foods and living conditions but still produced countless numbers of superior athletes.

i did read the whole post before my conclusion.

and yes your around athletes because your a coach, what i was implying was that since most humans are not involved in sports your allowing the handful of people that you see at work cloud your judgment allowing you to believe a race is better than another.

understand the info before you jump to conclusions coach

[MastaMan]

Although i don't like this thread and i think it is alienating to members of different races, i have to add that africans are, and always will be better at everything. This is because africa, which is thought to be the birthplace of all humans, is more genetically diverse than any other place on earth. Since humans with different slices of the genetic pie moved outward from kenya, those humans (all non blacks) have significantly less genetic variance within their population of people. Because africa is the birthplace of all humans and all genetic code, the best, and worst athletes will be of african descent.

[Times Roman]

when i was in boot camp, we were about ready to get on the bus. Drill Seargent was yelling at us we are now all soldiers, and there is no more black, or white, or brown. We are all just green. Green lean fighting machines!!

So as we were getting on the bus, Drill Seargent says, ok, now you dark green soldiers get in the back of the bus, and you light green soldiers can get in the front. =)

[Times Roman]

Twist, I do agree that early childhood participation prepares the body for future athletic success.

Like I said before, there may be some truth to the fact that people of African descent make better athletes. Slaves were bred like race horses and we are seeing the benefit of those genes passed along in some athletes. But I don't think its as big a determining factor anymore. With the supplements (legal), training, etc. Access to these makes a bigger difference than genetics, IMO.

This is true! There were actual breeding programs, informally i'm sure, where they would breed the biggest strongest guys for money. Just like they do bulls today. (Well, not exactly the same way, but you get the idea). And this went on for over a hundred years, maybe two, really not sure. So there were some genetic advantages early on. But see happens in two generations when you breed a purebreed with something else. In two generations, those advantages begin to breed out. Just like everybody else in America, it is very difficult to argue any type of purity of lineage. And so it is with blacks, there is probably alot more caucasion in there than most realize. Evidently, alot of white guys would sneak off and have "affairs' with black women back then, although im not sure how much "choice" these women really had.

Hitler was trying to do the same thing with his beloved anglo saxons, but only really had maybe a decade to work with, not a couple of hundred years, so there really were no results to speak of.

I suspect in a few more generations, any perceived "benefits" blacks may have will be gone, blended in with the rest of the melting pot.

[Times Roman]

Yeah if this thread goes to 3 pages I'm going to revive the Zyzz thread! You have been warned....

Gawddamm! you don't fuk around, do you?

.... trying to scare the shit outta us or what?

[lovbyts]

Reported... Admin PLEASE lock this post.

[Flagg]

When Homo Sapiens reached Europe some 30,000 years ago, they would have encountered Neanderthal man. This was another species of human, and fossil records show that Neanderthal would have been bigger and physically more powerful than Homo Sapiena. At the time, Homo Sapiens would have been predominately black, due to the high level melanin in their system having come out of Africa, and Neanderthal would have been white, due to living in colder, darker regions. Some say that Homo Sapiens wiped out Neanderthal man, but I personally believe that Neanderthals were "absorbed" into the Homo Sapien race, which then would have contributed to "white people" being created. After all, a lot of Scanadanivian people today are still very tall. Of course, after 30,000 years in the northern hemisphere, Homo sapiens would have evolved lighter pigment, which could also explain how white people came about.

Climate and region play a huge part in how an organism is "physically" adaptive, is the point im trying to make.

[*Admin*]

This being in the lounge and not totally out of hand yet I have had many complaints over 10 from diverse people so it is closed!