Amy Winehouse found dead at 27...

**Narkissos** · 07-24-2011, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by gbrice75

Sad, I don't care how much of a train wreck her personal life was, she was one helluva talent. Hardly anybody sings that type of music anymore; if you didn't see her, you'd never know she was white - that's awesome. Love dirty bluesy music like that. Adele is another one that has a similar style in some songs.

Agreed!

**Narkissos** · 07-24-2011, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by gbrice75

I do. There so much GARBAGE music being made these days, nothing real. Just a bunch of over-produced electronic shit. Once in a while somebody comes along and brings it back to basics - Amy Winehouse did that.

Personally, I don't give a fvck about her drug habits - I didn't know her obviously and it doesn't affect my life. I just know she made good music and we won't get that from her anymore. Instead, people like Britney Spears continue to live on, same old trash she was doing years ago.

^^^co-signed

**Narkissos** · 07-24-2011, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by gbrice75

Yep, I meant to mention her, also dig her style. Not sure I agree with you on the voice thing, but to each his own.

definitely don't agree on the Duffy having a better voice bit.

**Narkissos** · 07-24-2011, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by pheenyx1

No one is beyond redemption while they are still alive. Obviously she was a train wreck, but she was incredibly talented, and she was a human being in a tremendous amount of pain. I spent a good portion of my life as a low down, worthless, on the street junky. I was the guy everyone thought would never make it (including me.) I have been clean for 5 years now and have a life that I never even imagined was possible. I know I am not the only person on this board with this kind of background. The person who died at twenty seven years old today was a disaster. What is tragic is the loss of the person she still COULD have been, and the life she COULD have had. We all love stories about redemption. They make the best movies and books. The underdog no one believes in making it. Remember that when you see them when they are still the underdog. R.I.P. Amy.

Great post bro. And congrats on getting your life back on track.

**Narkissos** · 07-24-2011, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by terraj

I never understood how guys that cycle steroids can have such strong opinions on drug use. Lol

Agreed

**boz** · 07-24-2011, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by olderfella

Do you feel the same way when a bodybuilder dies through using diuretics?

Of course, bodybuilder, drug addict, gambler, what ever the case, its all the same . For instance I have had addictions in the past, and of course i knew the road i was taking. Luckily i beat my demons, so yes i will say this if i did drop from it one day suddenly, of course i would want the same treatment giving to me. It was all self inflected.

BG · 07-24-2011, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Flagg

No, he's trying to be funny.

I'd take a fair bet she had a drug over dose.

LOL I know, I was trying to be funny also....didnt work huh?

**Hazard** · 07-24-2011, 12:03 PM

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~Haz~

**dec11** · 07-24-2011, 12:04 PM

if any of you had family or a friend who went down the same path would you say 'they got what they deserved'? you're mouthing off about someone whom you judge via media. personally i think some of the comments are a disgrace, the poor woman is dead ffs.

**Hazard** · 07-24-2011, 12:06 PM

^^^^ Fail..... haha

~Haz~

**Hazard** · 07-24-2011, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

if any of you had family or a friend who went down the same path would you say 'they got what they deserved'? you're mouthing off about someone whom you judge via media. personally i think some of the comments are a disgrace, the poor woman is dead ffs.

FOr the record..... I said "fail" to my non working link lol.

Addiction is a disease..... destroys famillies. Her familly is grieving and it's sad..... it's a shame.

~Haz~

**dec11** · 07-24-2011, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

FOr the record..... I said "fail" to my non working link lol.

Addiction is a disease..... destroys famillies. Her familly is grieving and it's sad..... it's a shame.

~Haz~

dont worry mate, i guessed that lol

**MR-FQ320** · 07-24-2011, 12:49 PM

For the record a postmortem has not been carried out yet.

Also here in UK AAS are legal to own, illegal to sell, heroin, coke ganja etc etc on the other hand are illegal, period

If somebody dies from doing something legal with a stigma attached to it is that as bad as doing something illegal ?

**gbrice75** · 07-24-2011, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

if any of you had family or a friend who went down the same path would you say 'they got what they deserved'? you're mouthing off about someone whom you judge via media. personally i think some of the comments are a disgrace, the poor woman is dead ffs.

^^^ x2

**Flagg** · 07-24-2011, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

if any of you had family or a friend who went down the same path would you say 'they got what they deserved'? You're mouthing off about someone whom you judge via media. Personally i think some of the comments are a disgrace, the poor woman is dead ffs.

................x 3

**Gaspari1255** · 07-24-2011, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by terraj

I never understood how guys that cycle steroids can have such strong opinions on drug use. Lol

I know several successful men who use AAS. How many successful, well-educated, respectable heroin addicts do you know?

**Flagg** · 07-24-2011, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Bronzer

I know several successful men who use AAS. How many successful, well-educated, respectable heroin addicts do you know?

Yeah, cause top business men, Captains of Industry, have never taken party drugs have they?

**Gaspari1255** · 07-24-2011, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

if any of you had family or a friend who went down the same path would you say 'they got what they deserved'? you're mouthing off about someone whom you judge via media. personally i think some of the comments are a disgrace, the poor woman is dead ffs.

chemical dependency and drug abuse has ruined much of my family and childhood. When those who take part in it eventually die, I will not be attending their funerals, nor will I be shedding any tears.

**layeazy** · 07-24-2011, 03:50 PM

suppose it was just a matter of time really it was always a possibility................

**Gaspari1255** · 07-24-2011, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Flagg

Yeah, cause top business men, Captains of Industry, have never taken party drugs have they?

Of course they have. There is abuse and use. Just like AAS. I don't know too many full fledged addicts that have the world by the hands though, maybe you do. Keep feeling sorry for unproductive pieces of shit in our world. You know who I feel sorry for? Those who die of cancer or get hit by drunk drivers, not those who chose their own fate.

**terraj** · 07-24-2011, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Bronzer

I know several successful men who use AAS. How many successful, well-educated, respectable heroin addicts do you know?

you fvcked an ex junkie the other night right? Now she's a star of the sceen correct???

And I know many that have walked a fine line with hard drugs, myself included......and most people would say that I'm doing pretty well in life--- college education, well paid job, happy marriage.....

Maybe when you get a few more years of life behind you or perhaps joining the police force we remove your narrow view of life....

**Flagg** · 07-24-2011, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Bronzer

Of course they have. There is abuse and use. Just like AAS. I don't know too many full fledged addicts that have the world by the hands though, maybe you do. Keep feeling sorry for unproductive pieces of shit in our world. You know who I feel sorry for? Those who die of cancer or get hit by drunk drivers, not those who chose their own fate.

People dying from a debilitating disease or car accident has absolutely no comparison to drug use at all.

Again, do you not feel sympathy from guys that die of cardiac complications due to steroid complications? It just seems convenient to condemn one person who dies through the use of drugs, over someone else that dies of the use of drugs, based solely on which drug you accept.

I wouldn't call her unproductive. She made a fortune. She made the people in the industry she worked with rich, and she enriched the lives of her fans through her music.

Sorry, I think a steroid user condemning the use of other drugs to be completely hypocritical.

**Matt** · 07-24-2011, 04:21 PM

From what i know alcohol was a main factor, a perfectly legal drug....

**jimmyinkedup** · 07-24-2011, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Bronzer

Of course they have. There is abuse and use. Just like AAS. I don't know too many full fledged addicts that have the world by the hands though, maybe you do. Keep feeling sorry for unproductive pieces of shit in our world. You know who I feel sorry for? Those who die of cancer or get hit by drunk drivers, not those who chose their own fate.

You'll prob do very well in law enforcement - you sound alot like an a$$hole cop ....
Some poeple take a drink and something is triggered - they are alcoholics. Some do a drug and the same thing. I never heard anyone say they want to be a junkie when they grow up. Some alcoholics / addicts are presented with opportunites - moments in their life where they do get a second chance to make a concious chioce to stop and they make the best of it - as many here have indicated they did/are doing. Some dont - many of the latter die. Who the hell are other people to say they deserve it or oh well it was their choice so who cares.
I wouldnt be so quick to judge one for stupid decisions - if you think about it if you hit that guy with the stool - broke his neck and killed him you could be in jail for life. Also if the gansters you had a problem with and punched out had a gun you could be dead. Some pretty stupid decisions you made that could have cost you your life. Of course it didnt happen like that so in your mind its ok. If it did should your family not attend your funeral because you "chose you own fate" ....

**dec11** · 07-24-2011, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Bronzer

chemical dependency and drug abuse has ruined much of my family and childhood. When those who take part in it eventually die, I will not be attending their funerals, nor will I be shedding any tears.

mate you have a very bitter outlook, i used to have also. im not trying to patronised you but it will eat you up eventually

**dec11** · 07-24-2011, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Bronzer

I know several successful men who use AAS. How many successful, well-educated, respectable heroin addicts do you know?

ever heard the phrase 'upwardly mobile drug addict'? plenty around mate, plenty

**Times Roman** · 07-25-2011, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by terraj

you fvcked an ex junkie the other night right? Now she's a star of the sceen correct???

And I know many that have walked a fine line with hard drugs, myself included......and most people would say that I'm doing pretty well in life--- college education, well paid job, happy marriage.....

Maybe when you get a few more years of life behind you or perhaps joining the police force we remove your narrow view of life....

There are many from our generation that flirted with drugs and skirted disaster. But from our generation, or at least in my group in highschool, there were many more who fell at the wayside. Growing up near Berkely and Oakland and San Francisco back in the 60's and 70's was a hazadorous thing.

**gixxerboy1** · 07-25-2011, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by dec11

ever heard the phrase 'upwardly mobile drug addict'? plenty around mate, plenty

my old shore house we used to get had everything from lawyers to a guy who worked in clinical testing part of a huge pharmaceutical company. Plus normal successful people. If you ever came there everyone was fvcked up

**Gaspari1255** · 07-25-2011, 07:55 PM

Way too many feel sorry for people. I have hate in me, I am straight up, honest, and tell it how it is. I do not feel sorry for people who suffer from addiction because THEY are the ones who chose that path. Things such as financial difficulties, family problems, death, and depression are factors that lead to addiction, but the bottom line is, whether it is heroin, prescription pills, or alcohol, no one held a gun to these peoples heads and forced them to take part in using these drugs. With that being said, how am I supposed to have sympathy for someone like that.

A major problem in our world today is that everyone pities and fvcking loves losers and scumbags. I cannot stand how successful people marry and enter serious relationships with drug addicts/losers with hopes of "Saving" them. That is beyond retarded. I've often considered going out and buying Local 527 union t shirts, a pair of timberlands with the shoe laces untied, getting a couple barb wire tattoos on my forearms and calves, getting a pair of levi jeans and rolling them around in the grass a few times, jabbing my forearms veins with a couple 18g needles, and informing all the women that I meet that I am recovering heroin addict who makes $9 an hour as a laborer and works one day a week. Being a fvcking scumbag seems to be acceptable in my generation.

**Gaspari1255** · 07-25-2011, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

You'll prob do very well in law enforcement - you sound alot like an a$$hole cop ....
Some poeple take a drink and something is triggered - they are alcoholics. Some do a drug and the same thing. I never heard anyone say they want to be a junkie when they grow up. Some alcoholics / addicts are presented with opportunites - moments in their life where they do get a second chance to make a concious chioce to stop and they make the best of it - as many here have indicated they did/are doing. Some dont - many of the latter die. Who the hell are other people to say they deserve it or oh well it was their choice so who cares.
I wouldnt be so quick to judge one for stupid decisions - if you think about it if you hit that guy with the stool - broke his neck and killed him you could be in jail for life. Also if the gansters you had a problem with and punched out had a gun you could be dead. Some pretty stupid decisions you made that could have cost you your life. Of course it didnt happen like that so in your mind its ok. If it did should your family not attend your funeral because you "chose you own fate" ....

I'd rather die standing up for myself, fighting three guys by myself, and getting shot by the fourth one, then die from alcohol poisoning or of a drug over dose. And if I were to get killed during that incident, yes I did choose my own fate. But I'll be sitting in my grave knowing I did the right thing.

**terraj** · 07-25-2011, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Bronzer

Way too many feel sorry for people. I have hate in me, I am straight up, honest, and tell it how it is. I do not feel sorry for people who suffer from addiction because THEY are the ones who chose that path. Things such as financial difficulties, family problems, death, and depression are factors that lead to addiction, but the bottom line is, whether it is heroin, prescription pills, or alcohol, no one held a gun to these peoples heads and forced them to take part in using these drugs. With that being said, how am I supposed to have sympathy for someone like that.

A major problem in our world today is that everyone pities and fvcking loves losers and scumbags. I cannot stand how successful people marry and enter serious relationships with drug addicts/losers with hopes of "Saving" them. That is beyond retarded. I've often considered going out and buying Local 527 union t shirts, a pair of timberlands with the shoe laces untied, getting a couple barb wire tattoos on my forearms and calves, getting a pair of levi jeans and rolling them around in the grass a few times, jabbing my forearms veins with a couple 18g needles, and informing all the women that I meet that I am recovering heroin addict who makes $9 an hour as a laborer and works one day a week. Being a fvcking scumbag seems to be acceptable in my generation.

So you give no credence to the genetic or environmental factors for addiction? Lol

**bigpapabuff** · 07-25-2011, 08:49 PM

Grantland had a really good write up on this, talented singer, RIP.

**jimmyinkedup** · 07-25-2011, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Bronzer

I'd rather die standing up for myself, fighting three guys by myself, and getting shot by the fourth one, then die from alcohol poisoning or of a drug over dose. And if I were to get killed during that incident, yes I did choose my own fate. But I'll be sitting in my grave knowing I did the right thing.

I thought you punched out one guy in a group of three because he looked at you hard when u walked by and said keep walking. Then the onter 2 didnt do anything. Huh whatever. So your choice of not continuing to walk away that could very well have cost you your life(according to you btw) was the right thing? Hell look at where it got you without getting shot ...look at the BS in your life as a result- yet you still think you were right. Keep the attitude you have my man and you may experience the same unmanagbility in your life an addict does. You are no better or more noble. Hell this addict (amy Winehouse) touched millions with her voice - you bounce at a strip club and wanna be yet another a$$hole cop. Who impacted more people positively - you or the scumbag addict Amy Winehouse? What makes your life more valuable than hers? I dont feel sorry for her at all ...in fact i kind of feel sorry for you.
My man you just dont get it imo ....
We will have too agree to disagree

**Gaspari1255** · 07-25-2011, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

I thought you punched out one guy in a group of three because he looked at you hard when u walked by and said keep walking. Then the onter 2 didnt do anything. Huh whatever. So your choice of not continuing to walk away that could very well have cost you your life(according to you btw) was the right thing? Hell look at where it got you without getting shot ...look at the BS in your life as a result- yet you still think you were right. Keep the attitude you have my man and you may experience the same unmanagbility in your life an addict does. You are no better or more noble. Hell this addict (amy Winehouse) touched millions with her voice - you bounce at a strip club and wanna be yet another a$$hole cop. Who impacted more people positively - you or the scumbag addict Amy Winehouse? What makes your life more valuable than hers? I dont feel sorry for her at all ...in fact i kind of feel sorry for you.
My man you just dont get it imo ....
We will have too agree to disagree

Yes that is correct. The above scenario was just giving you an example. Yeah, please keep feeling sorry for me. 3.8GPA, have a career waiting for me in three months, and never touched a rec. drug in my life. But you're right, PLEASE FEEL SORRY FOR ME, I am real envious of the lives that drug addicts lead. Get the hell out of here. YES, I use AAS and YES I think I am better than those who abuse rec. drugs. Wanna know why? Because recreational drugs essentially make you acting like a fvcking idiot most of the time. Do you think people act rationally after having 15 shots of whiskey? Do people act in line after they pop a couple Oxycontin's? Would you say that most PCP users show respect and normative behavior? How about when people pop E in the club and everything feels "good", are these the kind of people we should all idolize ? Well, I can tell you first hand that I know SEVERAL AAS users and maybe one out of every 20 acts like an asshole on cycle. And you know what, this guy is an asshole off cycle as well.

Feeling sorry for everyone will do NO good for you.

**dec11** · 07-25-2011, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Bronzer

Way too many feel sorry for people. I have hate in me, I am straight up, honest, and tell it how it is. I do not feel sorry for people who suffer from addiction because THEY are the ones who chose that path. Things such as financial difficulties, family problems, death, and depression are factors that lead to addiction, but the bottom line is, whether it is heroin, prescription pills, or alcohol, no one held a gun to these peoples heads and forced them to take part in using these drugs. With that being said, how am I supposed to have sympathy for someone like that.

A major problem in our world today is that everyone pities and fvcking loves losers and scumbags. I cannot stand how successful people marry and enter serious relationships with drug addicts/losers with hopes of "Saving" them. That is beyond retarded. I've often considered going out and buying Local 527 union t shirts, a pair of timberlands with the shoe laces untied, getting a couple barb wire tattoos on my forearms and calves, getting a pair of levi jeans and rolling them around in the grass a few times, jabbing my forearms veins with a couple 18g needles, and informing all the women that I meet that I am recovering heroin addict who makes $9 an hour as a laborer and works one day a week. Being a fvcking scumbag seems to be acceptable in my generation.

which sooner or later will turn to depression if you dont do something about it, if bouncing is making that way then get out of it, i do understand.

**jimmyinkedup** · 07-26-2011, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by Bronzer

Yes that is correct. The above scenario was just giving you an example. Yeah, please keep feeling sorry for me. 3.8GPA, have a career waiting for me in three months, and never touched a rec. drug in my life. But you're right, PLEASE FEEL SORRY FOR ME, I am real envious of the lives that drug addicts lead. Get the hell out of here. YES, I use AAS and YES I think I am better than those who abuse rec. drugs. I never commented on this analogyWanna know why? Because recreational drugs essentially make you acting like a fvcking idiot most of the time. Kind of like you acted when twice in one night you made stupoid decisions thazt very well could have cost you your life in one way or another? Oh but wait thats different...Do you think people act rationally after having 15 shots of whiskey? Do people act in line after they pop a couple Oxycontin's? Would you say that most PCP users show respect and normative behavior? How about when people pop E in the club and everything feels "good", are these the kind of people we should all idolize ? Who said to idolize anyone?Well, I can tell you first hand that I know SEVERAL AAS users and maybe one out of every 20 acts like an asshole on cycle. And you know what, this guy is an asshole off cycle as well This I belive.....

Feeling sorry for everyone will do NO good for you.

Yes you are right about feeling sorry for people - however it is hard to see someone judging others like you - too stupid to realize their behaviors and decisions are just as stupid if not for different reasons and could just as easily get them killed - yet due to arrogance and stupidity they see themselves somehow better than or above others. Like I said - the perfect mentality for an a$$hole cop. Maybe I shouldnt judge you as im asking you not to judge- maybe you just need help- just like alcoholics / addicts. Maybe you need to lay off the juice - perhaps that substance is causing you to make stupid decisions that will make your life unmangeable and perhaps get you killed. You called yourself an a$$hole off cycle - but perhaps on cycle its magnified and you make more foolish decisions and have stupid actions/reactions that could cost you your life. Perhaps - you need rehab *LOL*

**Times Roman** · 07-26-2011, 09:51 AM

I think addictive personalities have a tendency to run in families

My family is Irish, and i'll tell you, it's real hard to go to bed when drinking, and the bottle is still half full