Joe Paterno dies twice? RIP Joe Pa

[JD250]

Hindsight is always 20/20.......it's easy to look back at all the facts once they are compiled and sit in judgement, I actually read what the Grand jury wrote, EVERY page of it, they found Joe Pa to be the only credible witness in this whole debaucle, he wasn't found guilty of any crime, that's how the justice system works, it protects us from people who would crucify EVERYONE because their emotions told them who deserves to be punished. Maybe Joe Pa was clueless about the evils that were taking place, but to condemn him for something he's not guilty of is ludicrous, and to crucify him for being a clueless old man is unacceptable, he lost everything he ever had in life because he was clueless.......that's enough punishment. I suppose some would like to spit on his grave but that would just be misguided rage and emotions. In my mind there were only 2 guilty people in this whole thing, Mcqueary and Sandusky.

[DSM4Life]

Hindsight is always 20/20.......it's easy to look back at all the facts once they are compiled and sit in judgement, I actually read what the Grand jury wrote, EVERY page of it, they found Joe Pa to be the only credible witness in this whole debaucle, he wasn't found guilty of any crime, that's how the justice system works, it protects us from people who would crucify EVERYONE because their emotions told them who deserves to be punished. Maybe Joe Pa was clueless about the evils that were taking place, but to condemn him for something he's not guilty of is ludicrous, and to crucify him for being a clueless old man is unacceptable, he lost everything he ever had in life because he was clueless.......that's enough punishment. I suppose some would like to spit on his grave but that would just be misguided rage and emotions. In my mind there were only 2 guilty people in this whole thing, Mcqueary and Sandusky.

I agree. Should he have been punished criminally? That i am not sure of but trust me it came back and not only bite him in the @$$ but his entire career and family. Imagine spending an entire lifetime of creating this wonderful career only to have it tainted by this. Now everytime he comes up in conversation this will always surface.

[D7M]

Hindsight is always 20/20.......it's easy to look back at all the facts once they are compiled and sit in judgement, I actually read what the Grand jury wrote, EVERY page of it, they found Joe Pa to be the only credible witness in this whole debaucle, he wasn't found guilty of any crime, that's how the justice system works, it protects us from people who would crucify EVERYONE because their emotions told them who deserves to be punished. Maybe Joe Pa was clueless about the evils that were taking place, but to condemn him for something he's not guilty of is ludicrous, and to crucify him for being a clueless old man is unacceptable, he lost everything he ever had in life because he was clueless.......that's enough punishment. I suppose some would like to spit on his grave but that would just be misguided rage and emotions. In my mind there were only 2 guilty people in this whole thing, Mcqueary and Sandusky.

I could be wrong, but didn't he admit that he knew about the abuse and turned a blind eye?

[D7M]

double post...

[jimmyinkedup]

Is this real life when someone who has put some of the sickest men - responsible for some of the most horrid atrocities in human history- as his respresentation on this site in the form of his aviatar is in this thread questioning the character and insulting in death Joe Paterno? So much I could say but i'll let his hypocrisy speak for his lack of character.

RIP JoePa .
We are......Penn State.

[DSM4Life]

I could be wrong, but didn't he admit that he knew about the abuse and turned a blind eye?

He was told of the abuse. He said in an interview "He was confused because he didn't even know there was such a thing a boy rape." Then he also said "He didn't want to do the wrong thing so instead of reporting this to the police he reported it to his supervisor and figured if it needed to be escalated that they would do it."

[JD250]

Joe was a great guy but if you've watched and listened to him in the last several years you could tell that the man was clueless about anything except football, not to disrespect the man because of his age, just making note that I don't think he had an understanding of what Mcqueary says that he saw and then later changed his story to "heard".

No Joe never turned a blind eye, I just don't think he understood the gravity of the situation or that such a thing would be happening, anywhere, the grand jury referred to him as being the only credible witness, everyone elses story was found to be lacking.

[cherrydrpepper]

Let me first say I am a Penn State alumni like a couple of other guys on this site so you can take my opinion as biased I don't care. I have very few heroes in my life but some great ones I can count.. my father first and foremost, Pat Tillman, Team Hoyt and yes Joe Paterno. I have a few thoughts.

First, Joe Paterno did not rape those kids. This seems important to point out because of what a witch hunt this has become. In my opinion, the media loves to take an icon or a hero and tear them down to nothing. Joe Paterno did not witness the rape or molestation of anyone. He was told by someone on his staff that they witnessed something, so he went to his superiors with the information so they could take action. They apparently did nothing and yes its a huge tragedy and a smear on a school I love. I have mixed feelings - on the one hand, does he call Officer Doolittle and say "so-and-so told me he saw a little boy getting raped"? Why should he be the one making that call? Mcqueary should have called the cops. There seems to be a lot of confusion about what happened as the associated press is reporting Mcqueary may have called the cops based on a private email he sent a friend (not much to go on but maybe the whole story will come out in time). So what is my opinion on Joe Paterno in all of this. Yes he could have been more gung ho about the whole thing. He could have called the cops or done more. Its a mistake. To say that he was trying to cover for a pedophile is just rediculous. I think the worst thing about all this is he is having to pay for the abysmal sins of someone else. If I do something horrible I don't expect you to call my father and say hey look what you did this is your fault. From the information we are being given, he could have done more and its a tragedy. I have my doubts about the whole thing to be honest and can't wait for the entire story to come out.

But anyway my take on Joe Paterno is this. Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. We put our heroes on pedestals and expect them to be perfect - life and people do not work that way. People make mistakes. Joe is a man of honor. I will always see him as someone of principle and integrity who made peoples lives around him better. This is one of the few benefits I have as an alcoholic. A new found humility. I understand what it is to be knee deep in filth and to hate who you are and what you have done. My acts and my failures have kept me up many nights of my life. To be me is to feel shackled and destined for the lake of fire. It is a feeling you can never understand unless you have been there. If you feel such hatred for this kind old man who gave so much.. I implore you to turn that microscope on yourself. We live in a world where so many people are incapable of love. Do you know what it is to love another? Love is when you care about someone more than you care about yourself. Some of you reading this, you don't even comprehend what that sentence means. You think buying your kid ice cream qualifies. You don't know the meaning of sacrifice and you certainly have no place to judge a man as great as Joe Paterno.

WE ARE
PENN STATE

[Vettester]

Well said CDP ^^^

[BrownGirl]

Let me first say I am a Penn State alumni like a couple of other guys on this site so you can take my opinion as biased I don't care. I have very few heroes in my life but some great ones I can count.. my father first and foremost, Pat Tillman, Team Hoyt and yes Joe Paterno. I have a few thoughts.

First, Joe Paterno did not rape those kids. This seems important to point out because of what a witch hunt this has become. In my opinion, the media loves to take an icon or a hero and tear them down to nothing. Joe Paterno did not witness the rape or molestation of anyone. He was told by someone on his staff that they witnessed something, so he went to his superiors with the information so they could take action. They apparently did nothing and yes its a huge tragedy and a smear on a school I love. I have mixed feelings - on the one hand, does he call Officer Doolittle and say "so-and-so told me he saw a little boy getting raped"? Why should he be the one making that call? Mcqueary should have called the cops. There seems to be a lot of confusion about what happened as the associated press is reporting Mcqueary may have called the cops based on a private email he sent a friend (not much to go on but maybe the whole story will come out in time). So what is my opinion on Joe Paterno in all of this. Yes he could have been more gung ho about the whole thing. He could have called the cops or done more. Its a mistake. To say that he was trying to cover for a pedophile is just rediculous. I think the worst thing about all this is he is having to pay for the abysmal sins of someone else. If I do something horrible I don't expect you to call my father and say hey look what you did this is your fault. From the information we are being given, he could have done more and its a tragedy. I have my doubts about the whole thing to be honest and can't wait for the entire story to come out.

But anyway my take on Joe Paterno is this. Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. We put our heroes on pedestals and expect them to be perfect - life and people do not work that way. People make mistakes. Joe is a man of honor. I will always see him as someone of principle and integrity who made peoples lives around him better. This is one of the few benefits I have as an alcoholic. A new found humility. I understand what it is to be knee deep in filth and to hate who you are and what you have done. My acts and my failures have kept me up many nights of my life. To be me is to feel shackled and destined for the lake of fire. It is a feeling you can never understand unless you have been there. If you feel such hatred for this kind old man who gave so much.. I implore you to turn that microscope on yourself. We live in a world where so many people are incapable of love. Do you know what it is to love another? Love is when you care about someone more than you care about yourself. Some of you reading this, you don't even comprehend what that sentence means. You think buying your kid ice cream qualifies. You don't know the meaning of sacrifice and you certainly have no place to judge a man as great as Joe Paterno.

WE ARE
PENN STATE

^^^ Great post CherryDrPepper! I seriously don't understand why it was simply HIS responsibility to report it! Why didn't McQueary report it? Or why didn't whomever he said he "heard" it from report it? It seems like it was a game of telephone by the time it got to Paterno. Damn media sensationalism, trying to make a famous guy into a villain! Sad story, that's what it is.. RIP Joe Paterno.

[lovbyts]

My rage is focused on the pedophiles and those that help cover up their crimes.

I'm by no means a Joe Paterno fan since I'm not a sports fan. I wouldnt be able to pick him out of a crowd.
It's good you have your rage focused on people who commit horrendous crimes but in this case do we really know any of the facts except what the media is telling us? I hold my judgment until the verdict has been ruled and then still most of us will never know what really happened.
Did Joe try to cover it up? Did it get reported to who it should and THEY didnt follow up? Did someone even higher up tell everyone to hush it up? Is it really not as serious as what it's being made out to be?

I think it's to bad that people are so quick to judge and believe the worse automatically. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I don't remember ever reading except in the accusation of rape or pedophilia. Why not wait to see what happens? This is one of the reasons I watch the news as rarely as possible. When I do I just get pissed off about all the lies. Most every quote or interview I have ever seen is cut up and taken out of context to make it news or sound incrimination. Just watch one of the recent debates then the news, it's never reported the way it happened.

Lets not start another war between members just because one persons idol is another persons abhorrence. Lets take a step back and a deep breath. Really guys lets not let it get out of hand.

[Razor]

I lost my love for sports with this and the lockouts in NFL, NBA, its all greed and money and sick offense anyways.
Ill just remember the glory days of the 49's and Joe Montana and focus my attention on getting better at golf and getting bigger in the gym./

[kif]

I don't care if the guy is 105 years old if he understood football he understood that children were being rapped, he should have went to the police, come on, he knew damn well what was happening, if he spoke up, maybe it would have ended years ago well before someone's else's child was rapped.

[Razor]

I don't care if the guy is 105 years old if he understood football he understood that children were being rapped, he should have went to the police, come on, he knew damn well what was happening, if he spoke up, maybe it would have ended years ago well before someone's else's child was rapped.

Money is everything and they did not want to upset the establishment, so he remained quiet.

[kif]

Actually, it is my thread and I could easily petition admin to delete your posts or have you banned for flaming. But I won't do that.

Instead I will just post the quality of a person that you really are.





It makes me sick that you feel self-entitled to collect money from a program that you obviously know nothing about, if you did, then you would know that you have paid nothing into it and that you are nothing more than an over-judgemental parasite. It baffles me how you can judge anyone for any reason while living the life that you do.

So that's how it works someone disagree's with your option and you threaten them, your going to have them banned, you give great advice bro but this just isn't right.

[kif]

Money is everything and they did not want to upset the establishment, so he remained quiet.

You know what, that is so true!!!

[JD250]

Why didn't you share your irrefutable evidence with law enfor***ent so Joe would be punished for his crimes, why don't you share it with us? A grand jury found him innocent but you claim to know something that proves his guilt, please share and put this thing to rest at last.

[jasc]

Not to stoke the fire but an innocent verdict means nothing. Lindsay Lohan, OJ, Ben Rothlisberger, etc..

In this country money buys freedom.

I also find it interesting that he's found innocent because he can't comprehend rape, yet he can lead a multi-million $ sports team.

With that being said, I think this situation was handled poorly and did feel bad for the guy. His only crime was not following up with management.

[Sgt. Hartman]

So that's how it works someone disagree's with your option and you threaten them, your going to have them banned, you give great advice bro but this just isn't right.

Actually, I first asked him politely to not post in this thread if he was gonna degrade a man on the same day that he died. That's not why I posted the article and not what I wanted the thread to be about. If he wanted to disparage the man postmortem he could have started his own thread to express his opinion. Hell, this whole PSU controversy has been going on for months so why wait until the day he dies to speak out on what a terrible person Joe Pa was? That's just classless.

Aside from that, there are other issues with xelnaga not related to this thread and the bottom line is I'm sick of his shit and I just don't like him.

[JD250]

Not to stoke the fire but an innocent verdict means nothing. Lindsay Lohan, OJ, Ben Rothlisberger, etc..

In this country money buys freedom.

I also find it interesting that he's found innocent because he can't comprehend rape, yet he can lead a multi-million $ sports team.


With that being said, I think this situation was handled poorly and did feel bad for the guy. His only crime was not following up with management.

Good points, But Joe didn't hire a big shot lawyer to get his verdict, it was a grand jury investigation. Secondly, with all due respect to the mans ability to lead....he never RAN a multi-million dollar sports team..... he was the coach. He turned second hand information over to his superiors just like he should have, I don't believe Joe willingly would turn his head on something that evil, like I said it's easy to judge when looking back at all the facts, all Joe had at the time was some second hand info that he entrusted to his superiors to handle. That may have been poor judgement but to accuse the man of knowingly covering up child rape is ludicrous and flys directly in the face of the facts that have been gathered and investigated by the law. He's innocent until proven guilty.

[HitIt]

i just don't understand how when a man is caught raping a child he walks out alive...if not at least beat to within an inch of his life. the cave man in me says that guy has to pay right then and there before the "law" has a chance protect him

[BG]

your going to have them banned, you give great advice bro but this just isn't right.

Its not the first time, we are fustrated with xelnaga and his attics. Its gone far enough and he has been temporarly suspended as a final warning. Please know whats going on before you post like this, or feel free to pm if you like.

[Bonaparte]

Good points, But Joe didn't hire a big shot lawyer to get his verdict, it was a grand jury investigation. Secondly, with all due respect to the mans ability to lead....he never RAN a multi-million dollar sports team..... he was the coach. He turned second hand information over to his superiors just like he should have, I don't believe Joe willingly would turn his head on something that evil, like I said it's easy to judge when looking back at all the facts, all Joe had at the time was some second hand info that he entrusted to his superiors to handle. That may have been poor judgement but to accuse the man of knowingly covering up child rape is ludicrous and flys directly in the face of the facts that have been gathered and investigated by the law. He's innocent until proven guilty.

He was told of the shower rape by the grad student who witnessed it. That's a first hand account.

Also, I'm not taking a drastic stance on this issue, but how is it possible to live for 75 years in America and not comprehend sodomy?
I mean, even if you don't know much about same-sex relationships/rape, all you need to fathom are the mechanics of forcefully putting one thing into another.

[kif]

Actually, I first asked him politely to not post in this thread if he was gonna degrade a man on the same day that he died. That's not why I posted the article and not what I wanted the thread to be about. If he wanted to disparage the man postmortem he could have started his own thread to express his opinion. Hell, this whole PSU controversy has been going on for months so why wait until the day he dies to speak out on what a terrible person Joe Pa was? That's just classless.


Aside from that, there are other issues with xelnaga not related to this thread and the bottom line is I'm sick of his shit and I just don't like him.

Hey didn't mean any disrespect at all, I didn't know there was a past. Sorry bro, guess I just read into the post the wrong way.

[DSM4Life]

Hey didn't mean any disrespect at all, I didn't know there was a past. Sorry bro, guess I just read into the post the wrong way.

Can we please ban all members who use the word "bro?" (We will lose 100% of our NJ/NY people)

[The Bear 79]

Can we please ban all members who use the word "bro?" (We will lose 100% of our NJ/NY people)

And how bout "Mate"...............(there goes the rest of the board)

[slfmade]

Can we please ban all members who use the word "bro?" (We will lose 100% of our NJ/NY people)

And how bout "Mate"...............(there goes the rest of the board)

And if you take out the guys that want to "mate" with a "bro"...there's goes DSM and Sholva! hehehe

[JD250]

I know I'm not the only one with a search function, you guys can google this shit and see for yourselves what the Grand Jury report says, after you find it either read the whole thing or just read what is written under the heading of "victim 2" you clearly see all the steps that were taken and understand why Joe thought he had done his job and the situation was being handled by many of his superiors. It's easy to say that Joe could've followed up but what would he do, he already involved people all the way to the top, he has no control over something like that, he did the right thing. On the other hand I have a hard time believing that a couple other heads haven't been on the chopping block yet, in fact I think it was fairly chicken shit of the administration to put Joe up as a scapegoat when there are obvious abuses in this case. Maybe they figured he was an old man and made an easy target that would satisfy the publics need to crucify someone.

BTW in the report is a reference to state law concerning such incidents and it clearly states that if a staff member/employee reports an abuse such as this that it is the sole responsibility of the individual in charge of the school or institution to make a report with the department of public welfare/LE........all those in charge were notified by Paterno and Mcqueary

[The Bear 79]

C'mon, this is just fvckin ridiculous, I understand & respect everyone's love & admiration for Joe Pa, but this is cut & dry, he knew what was going on & he didn't call the Police, fvck all that "he told the people above him", BULLSH!T! If someone came to you & said "I just saw a child being a$$ raped" would you tell your boss or call the Police? As great of a man as he may have been, he DID NOT do the right thing, nor did the little douche bag that saw it happen & ran away. I don't care how old you are, EVERYONE knows fvcking a little boy in the a$$ is wrong. I'm not saying he is responsible for what happen, but how different would things have been if he had done what he & EVERYONE else knows he should have done.

[kif]

and if you take out the guys that want to "mate" with a "bro"...there's goes dsm and sholva! Hehehe

lmao

[JD250]

Did you read the report?

[Revelations]

RIP Joe

[BG]

Can we please ban all members who use the word "bro?" (We will lose 100% of our NJ/NY people)

ummmmm 99%