15 States want to secede from the USA

[Gaspari1255]

http://www.examiner.com/article/citi...-united-states



This is interesting. We're going to be even more of the laughing stock to the rest of the world. The media is obviously blowing this out of proportion, numbers wise, but this is interesting, to say the least.

[lovbyts]

Nice, at least someone has some balls. I may have to move next door to Oregon. Better riding for ATV and Jet ski anyways.

[Euroholic]

Um im not american but i swear i have read somewere that a state can not succeed from the union? You dont want another civil war do you?

[gixxerboy1]

Um im not american but i swear i have read somewere that a state can not succeed from the union? You dont want another civil war do you?

U are correct. The exception is texas

[lovbyts]

Um im not american but i swear i have read somewere that a state can not succeed from the union? You dont want another civil war do you?

No, I dont WANT a civil war but I have been saying for several years that is probably what it's going to take to get things back to where they need to be; either that or a global disaster. I really dont want to live thought something like that but things are spiraling down. It may take many more years to get there but by then there might be to much compliance and not one left to do anything about it. Our nation has been through one before and we came out better for it.

[gixxerboy1]

I cant open rhe link to see what states it is but typically the are the very right leaning states si i have thoughts on which ones they are. Most of those are on gov welfare. Thry take more money from the government then they pay. So **** them. It will help our debt not paying for them and they will all be broke in a short time. Good riddance

[Flagg]

The not so United States is beginning to sound like the European Union.

[gixxerboy1]

The not so United States is beginning to sound like the European Union.

It is. Every state wants states rights and pass what ever laws suit them. The politicians keep tslking about taking stuff from the federal gov and giving it to the states. I laugh they all complain about europe but they are the ones turning us into it

[Tigershark]

Is it just me or do stories like this come up after every election?
No state would ever secede mainly because they would loose federal spending and have to pay for everything themselves like the roads and schools. Let alone no federal assistance during natural disasters either. Imagine having county jails and state prisons recieving no federal money?
The people who file these things never think this stuff through.

[Flagg]

The scariest words to the American psyche and i'd wager 90% of them don't know the meaning.

[songdog]

the scariest words to the american psyche and i'd wager 90% of them don't know the meaning.

amen

[JD250]

Fvck that!!!! I won't secede, I say we throw obama and all his lovers out the back door and let them move to Europe if they like it so much!! Don't let the door hit ya in the ass bitches!! LMAO

[lovbyts]

LOL

On BTW I do believe Romney was wrong in one particular instance. When he said 47% of Americans statement. Obviously due the the election polls it's more like 51%.

[thegodfather]

It is. Every state wants states rights and pass what ever laws suit them. The politicians keep tslking about taking stuff from the federal gov and giving it to the states. I laugh they all complain about europe but they are the ones turning us into it

That is how a Federal system of governance works, according to the 10th Amendment any powers not specifically delegated to the Federal government are reserved for the States. States have the RIGHT to make their own laws regarding drugs, education, etc, because the Federal government is not given those powers anywhere in the constitution. The entire point of the United States was to have a weak central government, or a 'decentralized' government. The idea of '50 labs of democracy' is actually what makes this country unique.
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[lovbyts]

That is how a Federal system of governance works, according to the 10th Amendment any powers not specifically delegated to the Federal government are reserved for the States. States have the RIGHT to make their own laws regarding drugs, education, etc, because the Federal government is not given those powers anywhere in the constitution. The entire point of the United States was to have a weak central government, or a 'decentralized' government. The idea of '50 labs of democracy' is actually what makes this country unique.
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I always like it when you chime in. LOL

[gixxerboy1]

That is how a Federal system of governance works, according to the 10th Amendment any powers not specifically delegated to the Federal government are reserved for the States. States have the RIGHT to make their own laws regarding drugs, education, etc, because the Federal government is not given those powers anywhere in the constitution. The entire point of the United States was to have a weak central government, or a 'decentralized' government. The idea of '50 labs of democracy' is actually what makes this country unique.
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I understand that and IMO its wrong. It may have made sense 200 years ago. To me it doesnt anymore. Society is alot more mobile then it was. Now with cars and planes in a couple hours you can be in another state that is completly different laws then yours. What should you get a flyer when you enter a state to let you know what is or isnt legal there?
Some kid can get a drivers license at 16 in Florida. So if his parents move to NY should he loose his right to drive?
Weed is now legal in some states. So someone is fine in Colorado but if they drive a mile and cross the state line then can goto jail?
Gay marriage is legal in some states. So if someone gets a job transfer to a state that doesnt recognize it they should loose their rights?
Hell states were trying to pass person hood amendments that would make certain types of birth control illegal. So if you move your gf or wife wouldnt be aloud to take certain medicines because they would be illegal in your new states.
we all live in the same country. You shouldnt have to know 50 different states laws. You shouldnt have to to homework on where you may travel or move to.

[JohnnyVegas]

There aren't 15 states that want to secede. There are a small number of idiot citizens in 15 states that want to make noise. Totally different.

Plus, signing a petition is meaningless. Those people are butt hurt about the election and want to make it sound like the country is going to spontaneously burst into flames because of all the despotic socialism that is everywhere (but totally isn't anywhere). We should kick those people out of the country despite their BS beliefs that they are the true patriots trying to save the rest of us sheep from the antichrist.

I think the people that want to secede should move into their end of the world bunkers until the food they bought from Beck's advertisers runs out. Then they should pop their heads out to see how everything is going. If we are lucky they have purchased more than one year's food.

Personally, I would LOVE to see state-level bureaucrats try and run their own country. No THAT would make a great reality show except the downside would be so monumental to the citizens.

Before anyone says I am a liberal moron...I am a fiscally conservative, socially moderate Republican.

[Far from massive]

The fact that so much attention is being paid to this when its so lacking in backing is amazing. If you look at the state with the largest following so far Texas, they have about 19000 signed on...Now that sounds like a lot till you consider Texas has 25 million residents so even if they get the 25000 needed for it to be considered by congress we would still only be talking about 1 in a thousand voters.

PS I was typing while Johnny Vegas was posting, well said Johnny!

[JohnnyVegas]

The fact that so much attention is being paid to this when its so lacking in backing is amazing. If you look at the state with the largest following so far Texas, they have about 19000 signed on...Now that sounds like a lot till you consider Texas has 25 million residents so even if they get the 25000 needed for it to be considered by congress we would still only be talking about 1 in a thousand voters.

PS I was typing while Johnny Vegas was posting, well said Johnny!

There will always be people in Texas wanting their freedom. It is a big part of their culture. They are a feisty bunch.

[canesfan804]

Um im not american but i swear i have read somewere that a state can not succeed from the union? You dont want another civil war do you?

The problem is there are still morons who are pissed about the outcome of the last Civil War we had.

[jimmyinkedup]

The scariest words to the American psyche and i'd wager 90% of them don't know the meaning.

Really ??????
Id wager that 90% of them reading your post wont see it for the arrogant condescending insult that it is ....but I guess I'm in the other 10 % ......

[canesfan804]

There aren't 15 states that want to secede. There are a small number of idiot citizens in 15 states that want to make noise. Totally different.

Plus, signing a petition is meaningless. Those people are butt hurt about the election and want to make it sound like the country is going to spontaneously burst into flames because of all the despotic socialism that is everywhere (but totally isn't anywhere). We should kick those people out of the country despite their BS beliefs that they are the true patriots trying to save the rest of us sheep from the antichrist.

I think the people that want to secede should move into their end of the world bunkers until the food they bought from Beck's advertisers runs out. Then they should pop their heads out to see how everything is going. If we are lucky they have purchased more than one year's food.

Personally, I would LOVE to see state-level bureaucrats try and run their own country. No THAT would make a great reality show except the downside would be so monumental to the citizens.

Before anyone says I am a liberal moron...I am a fiscally conservative, socially moderate Republican.

Brilliant!!!! Some of the people my wife work with are acting like they will lose their jobs this week because Obama won. Some people are dumb.

[Armykid93]

Fvck that!!!! I won't secede, I say we throw obama and all his lovers out the back door and let them move to Europe if they like it so much!! Don't let the door hit ya in the ass bitches!! LMAO

Agreed

[Honkey_Kong]

The fact that so much attention is being paid to this when its so lacking in backing is amazing. If you look at the state with the largest following so far Texas, they have about 19000 signed on...Now that sounds like a lot till you consider Texas has 25 million residents so even if they get the 25000 needed for it to be considered by congress we would still only be talking about 1 in a thousand voters.

PS I was typing while Johnny Vegas was posting, well said Johnny!

Yeah FFM, petitions mean jack shit. There is as huge difference between a state government withdrawing from the union and a few nutcases clicking their names on to an online internet petition.

[thegodfather]

I understand that and IMO its wrong. It may have made sense 200 years ago. To me it doesnt anymore. Society is alot more mobile then it was. Now with cars and planes in a couple hours you can be in another state that is completly different laws then yours. What should you get a flyer when you enter a state to let you know what is or isnt legal there?
You make yourself aware of the laws of the state that you are living in, it is not a hard thing to do. It's your duty as a citizen of that state to become familiarized with the laws of that state. For instance, I know that in New Jersey it is illegal to avoid a traffic signal by cutting through a private parking lot at a corner, while in Pennsylvania doing that very same thing is completely legal. Ignorance of the law is no excuse(unless we are talking about Federal laws, in which case there are so many onerous pieces of legislation that it becomes physically impossible to even find out whether one is breaking a law or not. Your beef should not be with individual state laws, but rather with Federal laws, as there are so many Federal laws on the books that neither the US Attorney General nor the US Congress can tell us how many Federal laws actually exist. And roughly 10,000 new laws are passed via legislation in each session of Congress. State laws are quite simple when you consider these facts)

Some kid can get a drivers license at 16 in Florida. So if his parents move to NY should he loose his right to drive?
Driving is not a RIGHT in any state, it is a privilege.

Weed is now legal in some states. So someone is fine in Colorado but if they drive a mile and cross the state line then can goto jail?
Yes, if you plan to be that transient, then you need to be aware of the laws in the states in which you plan to visit or pass through. This is an argument taken to its farthest point simply for the point of exacerbating a point that really doesn't make any sense, as the large majority of people in the country are not transient hobo's, but rather people who set up life in one area and tend to live there for very long periods of time. It is not too much to ask to learn the laws of the place in which you choose to reside and to follow them.

Gay marriage is legal in some states. So if someone gets a job transfer to a state that doesnt recognize it they should loose their rights?
Rights are inalienable, those which are outlined in the constitution of the United States of America. They do not become recognized by the States until they become "Fully incorporated unto the States." At this time, all 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights are fully incorporated, the most recent one is the 2nd. So while a state may say that something is a right in their constitution if they amend it, it is not a right in every state because it would require that the Federal government make a constitutional amendment, and then fully incorporate that right unto all states. Rights are not things which the states or Federal government grant to its citizens, they are 'recognized' by the government, and then legislation/amendments are prohibit the government from infringing upon those rights, those are known as 'negative freedoms'.

Hell states were trying to pass person hood amendments that would make certain types of birth control illegal. So if you move your gf or wife wouldnt be aloud to take certain medicines because they would be illegal in your new states.
we all live in the same country. You shouldnt have to know 50 different states laws. You shouldnt have to to homework on where you may travel or move to. Well, unless you live in 50 different states at once, you don't have the need to know the laws of 50 different states. It is a rather simple task to learn the differences in the laws between the states. Lets be completely truthful here and not exaggerate things, most laws are universal in every state, it is just a few controversial laws and minor ordinances which differ state to state. Murder, rape, robbery, larceny, assault and battery, harassment, etc, are pretty much universal in every state. When it comes to certain drug laws, and local ordinances regarding noise, demonstrations, and wiretap laws, things can differ state to state, and this information is relatively easy to find and readily available.

Is freedom of speech any less relevant now than it was 200 years ago? Are any of the amendments to the constitution any less relevant now than they were 200 years ago? The founding fathers were VISIONARIES, they had a truly profound sense of liberty, one which has withstood the tests of time. They wrote a document which is simply a framework, a lattice structure, to be filled in by us with the other branches of government. In the same way that the constitution is a framework and lattice structure, the design of these United States of America is a framework, to be filled in by the states which make up the UNITED in United States of America.

[Rwy]

I am just playing devils advocate but didnt freedom of speech give some putz the ability to make a movie about muslims that ended up getting americans killed


freedom of speech in the wrong hands can cause a lot of harm

[thegodfather]

I am just playing devils advocate but didnt freedom of speech give some putz the ability to make a movie about muslims that ended up getting americans killed


freedom of speech in the wrong hands can cause a lot of harm

No, your post is the result of glossing over an issue but not bothering to follow up on it when you decide to make a post about it. It was determined that the attack on our Libyan embassy was a pre-planned attack, most likely sponsored by AQA (Al-Qaeda in Africa), and coincided with the 11th anniversary of 9/11. The video while responsible for demonstrations and uprisings in a few Muslim countries, did not lead to American deaths elsewhere.

Furthermore, making the argument that we should censor freedom of speech because of an archaic religion with fanatical followers who cannot take a little bit of harsh criticism towards their deity, as all other religions have to endure, is very very weak. That's called a 'slippery slope,' when we try to make arguments against liberties because people may do irrational, illegal, or dangerous things when those liberties are exercised. Some people made arguments that market speculators were to blame for our economic woes and should be held legally and financially responsible, other people make arguments that if you speak out against a war during war time you should be imprisoned for sedition. Still yet others target journalists, saying that their reporting on things during wars like the burning of Quran's causes American military members to be killed and they are therefore traitors. Making information available is not a crime, it is essential to a free societies functioning, it is actually a check and balance that we often times take for granted and seldom view as such. While information is extremely powerful, and it can have grave consequences up to and including death, most relationships between the release of information and the disastrous consequences are correlative at best, and not causative.

[lovbyts]

^^^ Again, Amen and I agree 100%

He can always move to one of those countries that do censor freedom of speech and see how that goes. I keep reading about people being arrested for making a joke that someone else finds offensive even with it was not meant for or about them. In other countries just saying you dont agree with whoever the current leader is can get you beheaded or life in prison if you are lucky. Once censorship starts it's a slippery slope and rarely if ever does it go back to where it was but only gets worse.

[spywizard]

I'm still waiting for my free phone..

[Honkey_Kong]

I'm still waiting for my free phone..

Sorry Dude, I took the last one. You wouldn't have wanted it anyways. It was just the Iphone4.

[Shsm]

Nothing unusual. I would like to Texas to secede, they would **** the cartels up big time.

[gearbox]

I do like how gixxer mapped out alienable rights as americans and the word united!!
But I will add the right of ppl to protect themselves against their own government!
A quote by George Washington someone posted a few days ago

[gearbox]

I honestly think we as americans just sit back and complain and do nothing to change these drastic things that are happening to our country.
Reminds me of civil rights and how many ppl had to rally protest die to take and stand and get some laws passed in their behalf.
But basically we can't. We are all stuck and controlled by our country. We can protest gas priced cause we need gas to go to work each day. It sucks.

[Armykid93]

Nothing unusual. I would like to Texas to secede, they would **** the cartels up big time.

Lol id like it to honestly. They have had a balanced budget and are the 15th largest economy in the worlds. They could secede and be effective I think.