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11-21-2012, 08:09 PM #1
What's with the pathetic results?
I really don't want to be mean and hurt people's feelings and all that sh** but what's with the pathetic results I see people posting on the anabolic steroid forum? Like every single person who posts pics of his before and after, after a 500mg 12 week test e cycle for example, looks almost no different than when he started...
This is leading me to believe that the majority of steroid users are those who are too lazy to put in the work in the first place, with or without steroids .
Am I wrong? Do I just expect too much of a change in a person's physique after a 12 week cycle?
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11-21-2012, 08:16 PM #2Originally Posted by Lazarov
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11-21-2012, 08:20 PM #3
have you cycled yet?
if so, what were your before and afters like?
usually from a first cycle, people tend to keep about 10-15 lbs of muscle...
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11-21-2012, 08:21 PM #4
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11-21-2012, 08:26 PM #5
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11-21-2012, 08:33 PM #6
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11-21-2012, 08:35 PM #7Banned
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Magic beans?
Lemme have some.
I have to agree with others tho. From my experience the ppl I have seen gain 25 lbs, had several things wrong with their diets while on gear. Eating evrything in sight (dirty bulk) but as history shows, this comes with a gain in fat as well.
Others, sometimes with good diet can do a solid 8-10lbs.
Diet dictates evrything with gear. No such thing as magic beans.
You train, analyze, adjust.
Simple as that.
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11-21-2012, 08:38 PM #8
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11-21-2012, 08:39 PM #9
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11-21-2012, 08:40 PM #10
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11-21-2012, 08:44 PM #11Originally Posted by kronik420
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11-21-2012, 09:14 PM #12Originally Posted by Lunk1
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11-21-2012, 09:34 PM #13
Let me make two things clear here:
1 - You, as well as most people, are most definitely expecting far too much from a typical 12 week cycle. Yes, anabolic steroids work very well. Yes, they produce results that are far more significant than anything available over the counter. But they are still nowhere near what most people here WANT them to be. A 12 week cycle will not turn someone into Jay Cutler. To obtain physiques like that, assuming one has the genetics for it, requires YEARS upon YEARS of cycles one after the other. Just as how the average joe blow out there thinks that AAS are magic pills that allows you to wake up the next morning looking like Jay Cutler (and we all facepalm at that don't we?), we too within the AAS using community have very similar misconceptions among ourselves. This is also why some people will do a cycle and wonder "WHY ISN'T MY GEAR WORKING!?". Well, its because you've expected far too much out of AAS! And guess what - the gains diminish less and less as you make more progress cycle after cycle until it gets to the point where you'd be lucky to get even 5 lbs. of lean mass out of one cycle!
2 - Not everyone is using AAS to become the biggest guy out there. It's not everyone's goal to be massive. We tend to think that AAS users (especially the more experienced users) are gigantic beasts when we see they have 5+ years of cycling under their belt or whatever. The truth is that less than 20% of us have the genetics to be anywhere NEAR as huge as a pro, let alone the fact that many of us aren't even aspiring to have physiques like that. Almost 4 years ago I got pretty big, I reached about 225 lbs. at 10-13% bodyfat but I lost it all when I hit a period where I couldn't maintain my nutrition and training. It takes A LOT of consistency in one's nutrition to get big and remain that way, and it can be lost very easily by a little slip-up here and there. Although I do eat 6x a day and I intake 2500-3000 cals on average to maintain what I have, I am happy where I am. I'm working to get just a bit closer to what my largest was a few years ago before I lost it, but being the biggest motherfvcker in the gym is NOT my goal any more. And as many younger guys around here get older, they'll realize that too! I have a type of physique in mind that I wish to obtain and maintain, and i'm happy with that. Not every experienced vet and AAS user has to be a big huge massive cow, you know...
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11-21-2012, 09:37 PM #14
See before and after pics of 3+ years of cycling, training, eating and sleeping properly.
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11-21-2012, 09:59 PM #15
troll
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11-22-2012, 02:40 PM #16Originally Posted by asiandude
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11-22-2012, 04:05 PM #18
A lot of people don't know how to train correctly to build serious muscle and they also have no idea how to eat enough of the right foods to explode out of skin. Ive seen it for years in all the gyms I've trained in, they all take the right gear but don't have a clue how to eat to the extremes and to train correctly.
Many think they are eating and training correctly but they don't have a clue.
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11-22-2012, 04:39 PM #19Originally Posted by marcus300
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11-22-2012, 07:57 PM #20
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11-22-2012, 11:51 PM #21
I have to somewhat agree. Although I do not expect to see massive changes in people but what I do see typically are people who are far from being ready to cycle in the first place and typically have little to no results for nothing they could not have cheese with you have assed diet.
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11-23-2012, 12:10 AM #22
I definitely do not expect HUGE results. I just expect a little more size, noticeably rounder shoulders, bigger arms, wider back, etc. Just some noticeable progress. Nothing huge.
A quarter of a year on gear is plenty of time to grow substantially. I'm definitely no expert on AAS, but I'm just going off what I've done in 3-4 months naturally. Progressive overload in the gym, healthy & plentiful eating, lots of rest have given me great results in the gym in the past. So that's what's making me wonder.
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11-23-2012, 12:11 AM #23
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11-23-2012, 02:45 AM #24
a troll with a bad memory.
did you forget that you've already posted this same thread somewhere else?
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This sure is a fact.
It really is sort of in equal parts. The gear is not going to make you swoled up alone. We need it all, the diet is huge and so is your lifting regimen.
Then the juice just amplifies the results.
A ton of juice will not equal out the other 2. Sure wish it did, but in reality it will give you a heart attack before that happens.
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