Hey you old farts on the forum.... yea you.. over 40....

**dan991** · 01-31-2013, 10:07 PM

So I'm starting to wonder what we're all gonna feel like when we get to 60-70 years old (if we make it that far and the world doesn't end from self destruction) after all these years of bodily abuse in the gym with all this weight and such. I'm wondering if the day's gonna come where my joints just can't take anymore and I can't make it a day without pain killers to deal with the arthritis.

So.. any of you older farts that have been working out since the 70's have any input here?

**Times Roman** · 01-31-2013, 10:12 PM

since when did 40+ become an old fart?

apparently, those still in diapers may THINK 40+ is an old fart?

**dan991** · 01-31-2013, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

since when did 40+ become an old fart?

apparently, those still in diapers may THINK 40+ is an old fart?

Since I'm under 40 for a few more years.... and since over 40 has their own section on the forum......

**Times Roman** · 01-31-2013, 10:23 PM

here's my .02 since apparently im in your "old fart" category

yes, the grind of weightlifting takes it's toll over the years. but so does atrophy, or "not working out". Im in better shape at 51 than most at 40. But there are things i do to prevent the aspect of wear and tear from outstripping my body's ability to recover.

1) get used to taking MSM - 5 grams a day forever... helps improve collegen synthesis and is also an anti imflamatory. this means, "diaper dan", that it helps regrow your cartiledge faster than it ordinarily would. and it takes MY pain away from knee pain
2) learn to adapt your work out rouutines to your aging frame. this means as you get older, you need to back off always going heavy. Yes, your muscles may still be able to lift the heavy weights, but NO, your connective tissue (tendons/ligaments) will begin to weaken and have a hard time keeping up as you age with heavy weights.
3) as you get older, you need to lose some weight. all the weight is hard on your heart, your knees/back, and your respitory system. Do not expect to be this massively muscular dude when you are in your 50's and going into your 60's. You can be very muscular, but you need to keep the weight down too. The bigger you are, the more your aging heart has to work. Everyone wants to take it easier as they get older, even your heart.
4) Hormone replacement therapy. Enough said there.
5) Clean diet, moderate drinking, no smoking, and remember the cardio
6) TB500 when you do get injured. Quick healing is critical, especially as you age. The older you get, the quicker you will atrophy, so take the TB so you can quickly get back into the gym, and stop the atrophy!!!

Pretty simple stuff.

Let me know if any questions

---Roman

**zaggahamma** · 01-31-2013, 10:44 PM

at 43 when i see a 65-75 year old walking, exercising, light work, enjoying moderate activities (golf, gym, house work/yard work) i just hope to have the same ability with very little pain (which i already have)
chronic back
knee
tendonitis
etc. etc.

**austinite** · 01-31-2013, 10:45 PM

Watch out now. 40 is the new 38.

**Atomini** · 01-31-2013, 10:46 PM

There are plenty of preventative measures, and the other thing is that training methods you do when you are young will have a big impact on whether your joints are good or not at a later age or in your senior years.

I know individuals who are of the older age group, have been training for years consistently since their young days, and they are fine. I also know many who have joint and connective tissue problems. The difference i've noticed was in their training mehtods as the biggest factor, with the second being what preventative measures (if any) did they use?

**songdog** · 01-31-2013, 10:56 PM

At 54 I out do a lot of these guys in their 30s.So I feel good yes I have injuries.But they are work related.Well mostly the shoulder was work in progress since I was younger.

**dan991** · 02-01-2013, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

here's my .02 since apparently im in your "old fart" category

yes, the grind of weightlifting takes it's toll over the years. but so does atrophy, or "not working out". Im in better shape at 51 than most at 40. But there are things i do to prevent the aspect of wear and tear from outstripping my body's ability to recover.

1) get used to taking MSM - 5 grams a day forever... helps improve collegen synthesis and is also an anti imflamatory. this means, "diaper dan", that it helps regrow your cartiledge faster than it ordinarily would. and it takes MY pain away from knee pain
2) learn to adapt your work out rouutines to your aging frame. this means as you get older, you need to back off always going heavy. Yes, your muscles may still be able to lift the heavy weights, but NO, your connective tissue (tendons/ligaments) will begin to weaken and have a hard time keeping up as you age with heavy weights.
3) as you get older, you need to lose some weight. all the weight is hard on your heart, your knees/back, and your respitory system. Do not expect to be this massively muscular dude when you are in your 50's and going into your 60's. You can be very muscular, but you need to keep the weight down too. The bigger you are, the more your aging heart has to work. Everyone wants to take it easier as they get older, even your heart.
4) Hormone replacement therapy. Enough said there.
5) Clean diet, moderate drinking, no smoking, and remember the cardio
6) TB500 when you do get injured. Quick healing is critical, especially as you age. The older you get, the quicker you will atrophy, so take the TB so you can quickly get back into the gym, and stop the atrophy!!!

Pretty simple stuff.

Let me know if any questions

---Roman

Interesting... and thanks for the input! Today I had one of those "I'm getting fvcking old" moments. Even going in I felt like I was too old to be there. Its just one of those realization periods I guess. Just didn't feel right and I can tell that my body hates me for all those years in the gym training heavy and pushing the limits of abuse.

**dan991** · 02-01-2013, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by zaggahamma

at 43 when i see a 65-75 year old walking, exercising, light work, enjoying moderate activities (golf, gym, house work/yard work) i just hope to have the same ability with very little pain (which i already have)
chronic back
knee
tendonitis
etc. etc.

I know right.... my knee has had enough. Today it buckled like it just gave me a big "fvck off" lol.

**dan991** · 02-01-2013, 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by Atomini

There are plenty of preventative measures, and the other thing is that training methods you do when you are young will have a big impact on whether your joints are good or not at a later age or in your senior years.

I know individuals who are of the older age group, have been training for years consistently since their young days, and they are fine. I also know many who have joint and connective tissue problems. The difference i've noticed was in their training mehtods as the biggest factor, with the second being what preventative measures (if any) did they use?

Preventative measures like? I doubt anyone on here plans on getting old and joints giving you the finger.....

**marcus300** · 02-01-2013, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by dan68131

So I'm starting to wonder what we're all gonna feel like when we get to 60-70 years old (if we make it that far and the world doesn't end from self destruction) after all these years of bodily abuse in the gym with all this weight and such. I'm wondering if the day's gonna come where my joints just can't take anymore and I can't make it a day without pain killers to deal with the arthritis.

So.. any of you older farts that have been working out since the 70's have any input here?

I'm 45yrs old so by your standards I'm defo an old fart lol

All I can say is at my age now I'm destroying young stupid farts like yourself in the gym daily, you younger guys dont know how to train, dont train hard enough and walk around with zero muscle

What would I be like in my 70's??? still taking the piss out of younger farts but with a few more pain killing meds floating around I guess lol

**DSM4Life** · 02-01-2013, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

here's my .02 since apparently im in your "old fart" category

yes, the grind of weightlifting takes it's toll over the years. but so does atrophy, or "not working out". Im in better shape at 51 than most at 40. But there are things i do to prevent the aspect of wear and tear from outstripping my body's ability to recover.

1) get used to taking MSM - 5 grams a day forever... helps improve collegen synthesis and is also an anti imflamatory. this means, "diaper dan", that it helps regrow your cartiledge faster than it ordinarily would. and it takes MY pain away from knee pain
2) learn to adapt your work out rouutines to your aging frame. this means as you get older, you need to back off always going heavy. Yes, your muscles may still be able to lift the heavy weights, but NO, your connective tissue (tendons/ligaments) will begin to weaken and have a hard time keeping up as you age with heavy weights.
3) as you get older, you need to lose some weight. all the weight is hard on your heart, your knees/back, and your respitory system. Do not expect to be this massively muscular dude when you are in your 50's and going into your 60's. You can be very muscular, but you need to keep the weight down too. The bigger you are, the more your aging heart has to work. Everyone wants to take it easier as they get older, even your heart.
4) Hormone replacement therapy. Enough said there.
5) Clean diet, moderate drinking, no smoking, and remember the cardio
6) TB500 when you do get injured. Quick healing is critical, especially as you age. The older you get, the quicker you will atrophy, so take the TB so you can quickly get back into the gym, and stop the atrophy!!!

Pretty simple stuff.

Let me know if any questions

---Roman

You have any studies that backup MSM?

**faither** · 02-01-2013, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

I'm 45yrs old so by your standards I'm defo an old fart lol

All I can say is at my age now I'm destroying young stupid farts like yourself in the gym daily, you younger guys dont know how to train, dont train hard enough and walk around with zero muscle

What would I be like in my 70's??? still taking the piss out of younger farts but with a few more pain killing meds floating around I guess lol

I
Nice one Marcus those young ones think there the first to lift a bar bell we were doing the damage when they were still in there dads ball sac.Lol?u

**bikeral** · 02-01-2013, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

here's my .02 since apparently im in your "old fart" category

yes, the grind of weightlifting takes it's toll over the years. but so does atrophy, or "not working out". Im in better shape at 51 than most at 40. But there are things i do to prevent the aspect of wear and tear from outstripping my body's ability to recover.

1) get used to taking MSM - 5 grams a day forever... helps improve collegen synthesis and is also an anti imflamatory. this means, "diaper dan", that it helps regrow your cartiledge faster than it ordinarily would. and it takes MY pain away from knee pain
2) learn to adapt your work out rouutines to your aging frame. this means as you get older, you need to back off always going heavy. Yes, your muscles may still be able to lift the heavy weights, but NO, your connective tissue (tendons/ligaments) will begin to weaken and have a hard time keeping up as you age with heavy weights.
3) as you get older, you need to lose some weight. all the weight is hard on your heart, your knees/back, and your respitory system. Do not expect to be this massively muscular dude when you are in your 50's and going into your 60's. You can be very muscular, but you need to keep the weight down too. The bigger you are, the more your aging heart has to work. Everyone wants to take it easier as they get older, even your heart.
4) Hormone replacement therapy. Enough said there.
5) Clean diet, moderate drinking, no smoking, and remember the cardio
6) TB500 when you do get injured. Quick healing is critical, especially as you age. The older you get, the quicker you will atrophy, so take the TB so you can quickly get back into the gym, and stop the atrophy!!!

Pretty simple stuff.

Let me know if any questions

---Roman

TR

I looked up MSM and on wikipedia the first entry is "men who have sex with men"

Not sure if I can take 5 grams daily of that forever.

**Sgt. Hartman** · 02-01-2013, 09:15 AM

^^thats why DSM wanted to see the "studies" on it.

**Papa Smurf** · 02-01-2013, 09:41 AM

At almost 51 (May 1st) and as I sit here this morning having a "work from home day" Im nursing a pulled muscle from last nights shoulder routine. I lifting heay currently (on cycle) and both elbows are SCREAMING.......Really...Ican here them lol

Kelkel had some good avdvice on joint relief that he PMed me............Maybe he will read this and share it

**dan991** · 02-01-2013, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by bikeral

TR

I looked up MSM and on wikipedia the first entry is "men who have sex with men"

Not sure if I can take 5 grams daily of that forever.

LOL... did the same thing and didn't want to be the first one to say it.

**songdog** · 02-01-2013, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

i'm 45yrs old so by your standards i'm defo an old fart lol

all i can say is at my age now i'm destroying young stupid farts like yourself in the gym daily, you younger guys dont know how to train, dont train hard enough and walk around with zero muscle

what would i be like in my 70's??? Still taking the piss out of younger farts but with a few more pain killing meds floating around i guess lol

boom!

**Oki-Des** · 12-19-2013, 11:15 PM

I took my 78 year old dad to a club a few years ago and he said "No matter how old you get, you still look at girls through 20 year olds eyes." That was the best description of what getting old feels like. : )

**DSM4Life** · 12-20-2013, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by Old-Fart

I took my 78 year old dad to a club a few years ago and he said "No matter how old you get, you still look at girls through 20 year olds eyes." That was the best description of what getting old feels like. : )

Sounds horrible.

**Igifuno** · 12-20-2013, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

Sounds horrible.

Which part, getting old or looking at girls?

**tarmyg** · 12-20-2013, 07:36 AM

Randomised, Double-Blind, Parallel, Placebo-Controlled Study of Oral Glucosamine, Methylsulfonylmethane and their Combination in Osteoarthritis

Abstract

Objective: Glucosamine, classified as a slow-acting drug in osteoarthritis (SADOA), is an efficacious chondroprotective agent. Methylsulfonylmethane (MSM), the isoxidised form of dimethyl-sulfoxide (DSMO), is an effective natural analgesic and anti-inflammatory agent. The aim of this study was to compare the efficacy and safety of oral glucosamine (Glu), methylsulfonylmethane (MSM), their combination and placebo in osteoarthritis of the knee.

Patients and design: A total of 118 patients of either sex with mild to moderate osteoarthritis were included in the study and randomised to receive either Glu 500mg, MSM 500mg, Glu and MSM or placebo capsules three times daily for 12 weeks. Patients were evaluated at 0 (before drug administration), 2, 4, 8 and 12 weeks post-treatment for efficacy and safety. The efficacy parameters studied were the pain index, the swelling index, visual analogue scale pain intensity, 15m walking time, the Lequesne index, and consumption of rescue medicine.

Results: Glu, MSM and their combination significantly improved signs and symptoms of osteoarthritis compared with placebo. There was a statistically significant decrease in mean (± SD) pain index from 1.74 ± 0.47 at baseline to 0.65 ± 0.71 at week 12 with Glu (p < 0.001). MSM significantly decreased the mean pain index from 1.53 ± 0.51 to 0.74 ± 0.65, and combination treatment resulted in a more significant decrease in the mean pain index (1.7 ± 0.47 to 0.36 ± 0.33; p < 0.001). After 12 weeks, the mean swelling index significantly decreased with Glu and MSM, while the decrease in swelling index with combination therapy was greater (1.43 ± 0.63 to 0.14 ± 0.35; p < 0.05) after 12 weeks. The combination produced a statistically significant decrease in the Lequesne index. All treatments were well tolerated.

Conclusion: Glu, MSM and their combination produced an analgesic and anti-inflammatory effect in osteoarthritis. Combination therapy showed better efficacy in reducing pain and swelling and in improving the functional ability of joints than the individual agents. All the treatments were well tolerated. The onset of analgesic and anti-inflammatory activity was found to be more rapid with the combination than with Glu. It can be concluded that the combination of MSM with Glu provides better and more rapid improvement in patients with osteoarthritis.

REF:Randomised, Double-Blind, Parallel, Placebo-Controlled Study of Oral Glucosamine, Methylsulfonylmethane and their Combination in Osteoarthritis - Springer

AD · 12-20-2013, 07:42 AM

Any difference between glucosamine sulphate and glucosamine hydrochloride?

**trikydik** · 12-20-2013, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Watch out now. 40 is the new 38.

It's the new 36 - new advancements in medicine

**Times Roman** · 12-20-2013, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by dan991

Interesting... and thanks for the input! Today I had one of those "I'm getting fvcking old" moments. Even going in I felt like I was too old to be there. Its just one of those realization periods I guess. Just didn't feel right and I can tell that my body hates me for all those years in the gym training heavy and pushing the limits of abuse.

let me clue you in on a little secret that many do not know.

as the male body ages, certain parts of the body continue to grow. Obviously not anything related to skeletal mass or skeletal muscle. Mostly just soft tissue. For example, you notice how big an older bloke's ears and nose gets? You notice that because it's exposed. But what you don't see is his garden hose. The reality is that continues to grow too.

so now you know, and have something to look forward to! =)

**Igifuno** · 12-20-2013, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

let me clue you in on a little secret that many do not know. as the male body ages, certain parts of the body continue to grow. Obviously not anything related to skeletal mass or skeletal muscle. Mostly just soft tissue. For example, you notice how big an older bloke's ears and nose gets? You notice that because it's exposed. But what you don't see is his garden hose. The reality is that continues to grow too. so now you know, and have something to look forward to! =)

Now I can't wait to get old!!