Boston Truth Revealed..

[MickeyKnox]

I just came in to check to make sure no one is fist fighting..lol

Great response Shol'va, as usual.

FYI, occasionally i get the Easter Bunny and Peter Rabbit mixed up. But dont hold that against me - i had a dysfunctional childhood.

[DeniZen]

Do you realize that in order for this to be a government sanctioned bombing what would be required. Lets see, the police, state police, FBI, ATF, and homeland security which all together number in the 1000s would have to be involved and everyone stick to their story. These Americans are all involved to kill more Americans, be for real ppl. Like I said Alex jones makes his living out of conspiracies, paid to try to make ppl believe him.

hey bro don't confuse the conspiracy theorists with common sense lol

[DanB]

all sounded like training exercise of how to quickly lock down a major city to me when i seen it, but hey what do i know, prob fvckall but just first thing that popped into my head when i seen the amount of police, national guard etc, more on the streets that day then the Irish army has in total (no relevance) just a comparision to how excessive it seemed, the link makes me think i may of been right for once..............

[canesfan804]

Get ready as this is just the beginning of the conspiracy theories. It was the Easter Bunny that did it...
They were gonna blame it on Elvis but he's already left the building...

Actually Elvis was busy sending ricin to Mississippi Governor and Obama.............

[ppwc1985]

hey bro don't confuse the conspiracy theorists with common sense lol

I think that's what I did, I'm not confused its the CT that's confused.

[Shol'va]

Younger brother now blaming it all on older brother. Saying older bro was the mastermind. The kid has since been upgraded by the hospital to fair condition. I know a lot of guys here think it could all be a government agency that set this all up and the kids have nothing to do with it. But it's also possible that they did. But it sounds like the younger brother is singing like a canary spilling his guts on what he knows, already passing it off on his dead brother, how convenient! That they were lone wolves in all of this, no one else involved. They learned how to build those pressure cooker bombs on the internet. That is very believable. Too much stuff is on there. IMO, IE how to murder your husband or wife, how to murder a relative, a friend, how to commit jihad, you name it it's there. Scary thing is to most of us those are just crazy things on there. But to others, they are true documentaries...







And then we have these guys too...

[Hazard]

I saw a video on a conspiracy theory that said navy seals were seen wearing backpacks and their seal hats with logos on the bombing day..... I'm sorry but I dismissed it almost immediately. I know the government is corrupt but I don't think they're killing 8yr old kids over an exercise.

Not only that but even IF the seals had something to do with it THEY WOULDNT WEAR ANYTHING MILITARY RELATED! ESPECIALLY A LOGO!

I believe in keepin an open mind but for Christ sakes...... Let's have some common sense.

[lovbyts]

I saw a video on a conspiracy theory that said navy seals were seen wearing backpacks and their seal hats with logos on the bombing day..... I'm sorry but I dismissed it almost immediately. I know the government is corrupt but I don't think they're killing 8yr old kids over an exercise.

Not only that but even IF the seals had something to do with it THEY WOULDNT WEAR ANYTHING MILITARY RELATED! ESPECIALLY A LOGO!

I believe in keepin an open mind but for Christ sakes...... Let's have some common sense.

The biggest thing is it would be impossible to get more than a couple of guys to agree to do something like this and even then one of both of them would eventually crack and tell the truth. There is no way you would get a group or team to agree to doing something like this on US soil. They wont even do something like that on foreign soil, they need a specific target with little risk of civilian casualties. No way you could get them to keep a secret like that let alone carry it out.

[Shol'va]

I saw a video on a conspiracy theory that said navy seals were seen wearing backpacks and their seal hats with logos on the bombing day..... I'm sorry but I dismissed it almost immediately. I know the government is corrupt but I don't think they're killing 8yr old kids over an exercise.

Not only that but even IF the seals had something to do with it THEY WOULDNT WEAR ANYTHING MILITARY RELATED! ESPECIALLY A LOGO!

I believe in keepin an open mind but for Christ sakes...... Let's have some common sense.

Basically that's what I've been trying to say as well Haz. I'm sorry but it's way too far fetched to even think our Govt. would do this and to what end? And to those who honestly believe that the kids did not do this, that it was indeed the American Government that did it....you guys scare me.....

[ppwc1985]

That's what I been trying to say, no sog troops would have done something like that, no one from Craft International would have either, If you know anything about Chris, he would never start a company that would employ shooters that would be involved in this. He was a highly decorated seal, who was very honorable. No way no how. Period.

[MickeyKnox]

I saw a video on a conspiracy theory that said navy seals were seen wearing backpacks and their seal hats with logos on the bombing day..... I'm sorry but I dismissed it almost immediately. I know the government is corrupt but I don't think they're killing 8yr old kids over an exercise.

Not only that but even IF the seals had something to do with it THEY WOULDNT WEAR ANYTHING MILITARY RELATED! ESPECIALLY A LOGO!

I believe in keepin an open mind but for Christ sakes...... Let's have some common sense.

Basically that's what I've been trying to say as well Haz. I'm sorry but it's way too far fetched to even think our Govt. would do this and to what end? And to those who honestly believe that the kids did not do this, that it was indeed the American Government that did it....you guys scare me.....

They govt wont kill an 8 year old, but apparently 3000 innocent lives is negotiable.

Dont be so naive gentleman. Im not suggesting the young men were not involved, or were involved. Im suggesting that its possible the Govt played a role in this tragic event.

I feel exactly like the Architects & Engineers for 911 - World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished on 9/11? | AE911Truth - their agenda is not to solve the case, but instead to bright to light the discrepancies and misguided "facts" of 911. Incidentally, Building 7 is the smoking gun. And in this case, perhaps a smoking gun will emerge eventually. But it wont if we continue to act like sheep and not question what we are told to believe.

Keep your minds open, but never forget the victims.

[lovbyts]

I do keep my mind open but in regards to 911 with the number of witnesses who say it happen 1st hand and personally knowing engineers who are very familiar with how these buildings are built they say it fell exactly like it should have under the circumstances. It was far from just a simple fire as some would have you believe. Those jets had a lot of fuel in them that burn slow and hot and the jets themselves caused massive structural damage collapsing down on itself.

There is always a lot of possibilities and the theories are probably but not likely. Just as in the past when our government did try to blame other countries for disasters that were internal it was found out such as Operation Northwoods or Operation Mongoose.

People talk.

[DSM4Life]

It's an insult to the victims.

[MickeyKnox]

It's an insult to the victims.

How is the way in which someone dies and who is responsible any more significant?

[DSM4Life]

How is the way in which someone dies and who is responsible any more significant?

Apparently you never been on the other side. You wont understand until you have been. Hopefully you never will.

[MickeyKnox]

Apparently you never been on the other side. You wont understand until you have been. Hopefully you never will.

Whats that suppose to mean?? Are you suggesting that i need to experience a family members death by terrorists/extremists/bad guys to fully understand the scope of this tragic event and the resulting fatality of young Martin Richard and the injuries to his family?

[LGM]

Whats that suppose to mean?? Are you suggesting that i need to experience a family members death by terrorists/extremists/bad guys to fully understand the scope of this tragic event and the resulting fatality of young Martin Richard and the injuries to his family?

I don't know you, or the way in which any of your family members died. But to lose someone to something like this is much different; both in the way you grieve, the fact that it's constantly in the news, and the guilt associated with it (I shouldn't have taken my son, we should've gone to meet my husband earlier/later/at the hotel/finish line/etc.) It's almost constant, and it's a lot harder than the typical family death.

I wouldn't even say losing someone in an accident is similar, because in a day or two the news cycle moves on. This is going to keep going on and on, almost forever. Just my 2 cents.

[Shol'va]

It is just possible that all this happened exactly as presented to us. Just like in the ordeal with Timothy McVeigh. I mean who would have thought back then one of our own military boys would have struck against our government he swore to uphold and defend. But in his case, he was ticked off in the way the govt. handled the Waco event with David Koresh. That was the spark that lit his fuse. And us fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan is the spark that lit these kids fuse as they felt after seeing those jihad videos that islam was being attacked by the US. But what's crazy is we allow islam to be taught freely here in the US as well as all other religions. So we welcome islam here to those that follow it. Somehow these kids end up believing all the negative propaganda. We are a government of the people by the people and for the people but somehow those kids forgot that. Also these kids were living the great life here in the states. Way unlike they ever could over in war torn Balkins. They dressed in fancy clothes drove fancy high end cars went to university costing lots of dough smoked pot and other drugs which by the way are strickley against islam teachings. So they themselves went against their own religion thumbing their noses at the very religion they claim to love as they perverted it and killed innocent victims. So they were not even following islam but rather were just plain terrorists who happened to claim islam as their guide. All peace loving muslims who follow islam should stand up and refute these types of people who bastardise that religion for their own nefarious evil twisted purposes. They should shut down all mosques who use that religion to promote hate and murder. To look the other way is tantamount to thumbing their noses at Allah! IMO

[MickeyKnox]

Ive abandoned this thread Shol'va. Not because of anything you contributed, but simply because there are members that appear unable to maintain an open mind and debate without the emotional stresses influencing their opinions and perhaps behaviour (absent). Not just this thread, but others too.

So ive decided to refrain from initiating or contributing to any emotionally charged thread where my comments could be misunderstood or hurt the feelings of others or those that that are simply unable to handle objection or difference of opinions, particularly when it hits close to home regardless of how soft they are handled.

And for the record, I have been through a murdered family member, an accident death, and a family member who is a murderer (tried and convicted - died in prison recently.) That's what i bring to the table, for those keeping score.

Peace.

[wmaousley]

I read this article already, Alex jones is a dumbass trying to make money. He says it was seals and guys from craft international. Ok so what they did was say let's bomb fellow Americans and lets wear our CI hats and some more punisher gear. They would have to be really stupid to do this. I know quite a few SOG soldiers , both retired and active duty. They would never ever do this for no one. He'll you can buy punisher stuff anywhere. If you want a craft cap I can get you one for 38 bucks. This article disrespects our sof forces and that's it. As far a building 7 goes, I have to agreed it did look like a controlled demolition. Idk.

The hats are cheaper on Craft Internationals website lol

[wmaousley]

I saw a video on a conspiracy theory that said navy seals were seen wearing backpacks and their seal hats with logos on the bombing day..... I'm sorry but I dismissed it almost immediately. I know the government is corrupt but I don't think they're killing 8yr old kids over an exercise.

Not only that but even IF the seals had something to do with it THEY WOULDNT WEAR ANYTHING MILITARY RELATED! ESPECIALLY A LOGO!

I believe in keepin an open mind but for Christ sakes...... Let's have some common sense.

I have personally seen infants to 18 year old kids die due to the US Government's actions. Having said that, these were justified through the ROE. Shlt happens and it will continue to happen as long as mankind is around. If this was Domestic Fratricide the truth will come out in 30 years, just be patient.

Also to blame any SOF is irresponsible and anyone who would do such a thing isnt a patriot of the USA.

[Shol'va]

I have personally seen infants to 18 year old kids die due to the US Government's actions. Having said that, these were justified through the ROE. Shlt happens and it will continue to happen as long as mankind is around. If this was Domestic Fratricide the truth will come out in 30 years, just be patient.

Also to blame any SOF is irresponsible and anyone who would do such a thing isnt a patriot of the USA.

Hey WM would you please elaborate as to what the ROE And SOF are short for? For us dummies who don't know what they mean? Thanks...

[Shol'va]

ive abandoned this thread shol'va. Not because of anything you contributed, but simply because there are members that appear unable to maintain an open mind and debate without the emotional stresses influencing their opinions and perhaps behaviour (absent). Not just this thread, but others too.

So ive decided to refrain from initiating or contributing to any emotionally charged thread where my comments could be misunderstood or hurt the feelings of others or those that that are simply unable to handle objection or difference of opinions, particularly when it hits close to home regardless of how soft they are handled.

And for the record, i have been through a murdered family member, an accident death, and a family member who is a murderer (tried and convicted - died in prison recently.) that's what i bring to the table, for those keeping score.

Peace.

illegitimi non carborundum

[ppwc1985]

Yea I can them free, but I figured to make some money. Roflmfao

[ppwc1985]

Roe= rules of engagement sof= special operation forces

[Shol'va]

Roe= rules of engagement sof= special operation forces

Thanks for the info. I should have known but it's late. That's my story and I'm sticking to it..lol

[AD]

what about this, what does it mean? i refuse to use google when i'm here. its embarrassing.

illegitimi non carborundum

[Shol'va]

what about this, what does it mean? i refuse to use google when i'm here. its embarrassing.

It's a mock-latin aphorism. It means "Don't let the bastards grind you down."

[Shol'va]

Mickey there is one thing I've seen that I still question thus far and that is there was a video shown of supposedly the older brother captured and he was lying face down with his hands and legs spread out in front of a squad car I believe. So if it was indeed him I'm wondering how did he go from there to throwing bombs at the police and charging at them while the younger brother makes his escape in the car. Does anyone else know of the video I'm talking about and any more to this story. Was it actually the older brother captured or was it someone else being held by mistake?

[LGM]

Sholva, in one of the links above it shows that picture in color. Kid has blonde hair.

[TheClinch]

Sholva, in one of the links above it shows that picture in color. Kid has blonde hair.

+1 that original link is good for helping to think outside the medias reporting but, its definitely not conclusove by any means.

[Shol'va]

Sholva, in one of the links above it shows that picture in color. Kid has blonde hair.

Well that settles that then. So it wasn't the older bro being captured but instead another suspect they had while looking for all involved. Well it usually takes time for these things to sort all out. I hear now that a judge and his attorney have mirandized the younger brother and he is not talking anymore to the FBI, but before this he was singing like a canary.The FBI was delaying his miranda till they finished questioning him which was their right to do by law. But now he wont talk at all. But then who knows if what he says is even true. I say hook him up to a professional lie detector test.

[MickeyKnox]

illegitimi non carborundum

Im impressed. I had to Google it though..lol

Mickey there is one thing I've seen that I still question thus far and that is there was a video shown of supposedly the older brother captured and he was lying face down with his hands and legs spread out in front of a squad car I believe. So if it was indeed him I'm wondering how did he go from there to throwing bombs at the police and charging at them while the younger brother makes his escape in the car. Does anyone else know of the video I'm talking about and any more to this story. Was it actually the older brother captured or was it someone else being held by mistake?

There are a couple of items im questioning as well. And now some new "evidence" has emerged. So we'll see what that brings to the table.

+1 that original link is good for helping to think outside the medias reporting but, its definitely not conclusove by any means.

This is a terrific point and one that i share. But perhaps i was naive to think this was understood. I simply wanted to provoke thought. It's no different than any other relatively large scale tragedy. Emotions will run high but its those that are able to present their ideas and opinions void of poison in their ink. Im still learning this myself.

Great debate i hope you guys continue with it as this unfortunate and senseless tragedy unfolds.

[TheClinch]

This is a terrific point and one that i share. But perhaps i was naive to think this was understood. I simply wanted to provoke thought. It's no different than any other relatively large scale tragedy. Emotions will run high but its those that are able to present their ideas and opinions void of poison in their ink. Im still learning this myself.

Great debate i hope you guys continue with it as this unfortunate and senseless tragedy unfolds.

I hear you man, its a sensitive subject and very dificult to present for objective conversation or debate.

Seems like there are plenty here that have their game tight though.

[3863]

There is a conspiracy theory on almost everything man!

[AD]

i fear the only conclusion to draw here is, you'll never know what really happened. the authorities may have twisted some evidence to suit their story, but the alternative theorists may very well have cooked up some "facts" too. who's to say whose lie is bigger? everybody's theories will have some loopholes.

"the truth is still out there."

[MickeyKnox]

i fear the only conclusion to draw here is, you'll never know what really happened. the authorities may have twisted some evidence to suit their story, but the alternative theorists may very well have cooked up some "facts" too. who's to say whose lie is bigger? everybody's theories will have some loopholes.

"the truth is still out there."

Very good point. Although its a neutral response, it's difficult to argue. But hopefully with enough poking and prodding, the truth will eventually reveal itself.

[AD]

Very good point. Although its a neutral response, it's difficult to argue. But hopefully with enough poking and prodding, the truth will eventually reveal itself.

earlier on, someone asked me to go watch Fahrenheit regarding 911. i may have skimmed through it when it first came out. but i have downloaded a new copy and will go through it in detail again soon. but even before i start, i am wondering how much "evidence" in there are cooked. but i'll still watch it so as to give an informed response. but i think it will just give me more doubt than clarity.

[MickeyKnox]

I recommend watching Farenhype afterwards if you can. Once mellows out the other, and in the end you will develop a sense of what is truth and what is exaggerated truth.

I like the ideals Micheal Moore has, and i also share a lot of his views and opinions. However, his tactics are somewhat questionable at times. But he still gets a thumbs up from me because of his genuine compassion for the human race.

[AD]

I recommend watching Farenhype afterwards if you can. Once mellows out the other, and in the end you will develop a sense of what is truth and what is exaggerated truth.

cant find it on pirate bay. any ideas?