Proof there is a GOD (time to put the argument to rest)

[crazy mike]

How bout this..... Two men play a game...... One prays and believes and faith..... The other doesn't. Who wins?

The more talented player......

Now I like that. So what is all the BS and the show of one knee. It's BS and a total violation at any sense of the faith in scripture, but the hypocrites that favor him will say this is an exception tot the rule meaning Scripture.
I only chimed in because the thread sort of turned a different corner in regard to two faithful players. ...not so crazy mike

[Hazard]

If there is a god I hope to hell he's not paying any mind to tebow when there's larger issues out there.

Regarding him going to new England...... It gives me one more reason to hate the pats lol

[BlueWaffle21]

How bout this..... Two men play a game...... One prays and believes and faith..... The other doesn't. Who wins?

The more talented player......

What if two men play a game, neither pray, and both are equally talented........who wins?

[RaginCajun]

Tebow? Isn't that the workout fitness program made by that black guy? Billy something?

Hahahahaha!

Damn Euro, that one got me!

[RaginCajun]

Did you know that the guy who drafted Tebow for the Broncos (josh mcdaniels) is back with the Patriots.

[tigerspawn]

If there is a god I hope to hell he's not paying any mind to tebow when there's larger issues out there.

God might be a football fan.

[Metalject]

I don't understand the Tebow hate. The guy comes to Denver and turns the team around but everyone still hates him. Then he goes to NY and doesn't get a chance at all so that one is a wash. But why hate the guy? He's obviously a good ball player and anyone who can't see that chooses to not see it for biased personal reasons. But most who hate him love the filthy human beings that make up a lot of the superstardom NFL cast.

$10,000 says if he was a Muslim he would be praised by the public. If he spent every waking moment talking about how proud he was of being gay he'd be praised for his courage. But because he chooses to live a decent moral life and has even once mentioned why he does he's hated. Can people not see how insanely ridiculous this is? And yes, that's a rhetorical question because I understand most cannot see it.

[Lunk1]

I don't understand the Tebow hate. The guy comes to Denver and turns the team around but everyone still hates him. Then he goes to NY and doesn't get a chance at all so that one is a wash. But why hate the guy? He's obviously a good ball player and anyone who can't see that chooses to not see it for biased personal reasons. But most who hate him love the filthy human beings that make up a lot of the superstardom NFL cast.

$10,000 says if he was a Muslim he would be praised by the public. If he spent every waking moment talking about how proud he was of being gay he'd be praised for his courage. But because he chooses to live a decent moral life and has even once mentioned why he does he's hated. Can people not see how insanely ridiculous this is? And yes, that's a rhetorical question because I understand most cannot see it.

I agree with everything except the bolded above. He is a good ATHLETE but not that great of a ball player. I am a HUGE Tebow fan for who he is as a person but as a ball player he just doesn't have it. The whole hype about what he did in Denver...it's no different than Matt Flyn coming in and throwing 480 yrds and 6 TD's. Show me those results season after season and I will become a believer

[Metalject]

I agree with everything except the bolded above. He is a good ATHLETE but not that great of a ball player. I am a HUGE Tebow fan for who he is as a person but as a ball player he just doesn't have it. The whole hype about what he did in Denver...it's no different than Matt Flyn coming in and throwing 480 yrds and 6 TD's. Show me those results season after season and I will become a believer

Someone has to give him a chance for that to ever happen. That's the problem. He hasn't proven himself to be a failure but most view him as one so he can't get a shot at a year after year kind of thing. At least not yet.

[Lunk1]

Someone has to give him a chance for that to ever happen. That's the problem. He hasn't proven himself to be a failure but most view him as one so he can't get a shot at a year after year kind of thing. At least not yet.

Pretty sure Sanchez would have sat if they saw greatness from Tebow during camp. I will say that he is perhaps in the best position he has ever been in. to carry a clip board and learn from a HOF QB and coach.

[basketballfan22]

Morality and religiousness are not equivalent. While there are certain traits of his that are admirable, there are some that aren't. How great of a guy can he really be when he hates gay people? Yes, believing they are going to hell is a form of hatred. It is funny how people assume a religious person is a great person. In my experience the really religious people tend to hate entire groups of people because of what they believe a book says.

Even if he is a great person though, it doesn't matter. This is sports. There is a reason we don't have Mother Teresa (besides the fact she is dead, lol) playing football. He is a terrible quarterback. He didn't bring Denver to the playoffs. The rest of the team did. I have always said and I believe Rwy posted this as well: consider how terrible Mark Sanchez was. Tebow was THAT much more terrible on the practice field that he wasn't even good enough to get the backup position. While it is nice to have athletes that are great humanitarians too, that is not why we watch them. There are far better role models out there besides athletes anyway. Have your son or daughter look up to the doctor that saved hundreds of lives or the man that liberated an entire country through nonviolent civil disobedience as his/her role model.

Tebow has an amazing heart, and he is one of the toughest guys on the field; but those are all secondary qualities that a professional athlete should have. There is a reason we don't see a bunch of "Rudys" or immigrants working shitty jobs on shitty wages playing football. While they may have all the heart and toughness in the world, they aren't skilled or athletic enough.

I do feel bad that there is so much baggage that comes with Tebow, but you can blame his insane fans and followers for that. He didn't start Tebowmania, the fans and media did.

[Pittsburgh412]

Well if this is going to be brought up we might as well start a gay marriage and political thread

[crazy mike]

Well if this is going to be brought up we might as well start a gay marriage and political thread

SH!T , OMG don't do that. But wait the gay thing won't go anywhere, ask DSM and he will tell there is no controversy...OK, OK, I won't go there.

So back to this thread how we gonna prove God is... God exists. Certainly not by talking football. ...crazy mike

[Pittsburgh412]

SH!T , OMG don't do that. But wait the gay thing won't go anywhere, ask DSM and he will tell there is no controversy...OK, OK, I won't go there.

So back to this thread how we gonna prove God is... God exists. Certainly not by talking football. ...crazy mike

I won't but I still don't understand why people like man ass when they can have women ass
And since god is being mentioned "god made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve"

[BlueWaffle21]

I agree with everything except the bolded above. He is a good ATHLETE but not that great of a ball player. I am a HUGE Tebow fan for who he is as a person but as a ball player he just doesn't have it. The whole hype about what he did in Denver...it's no different than Matt Flyn coming in and throwing 480 yrds and 6 TD's. Show me those results season after season and I will become a believer

I agree with you man, he is an incredible athlete but he was a great ball player in college. I think had he been given the chance to come back to Denver he would have led that team to victory again and again. Those guys began to really believe in him and when a team bbelieves in the QB it becomes a totally different team. I don't believe the jets wanted to play for Tebow, he didn't earn their respect like he did with Denver.

Everyone hates the guy because of the amount of press/coverage he gets. It can be a little much at times but again they are covering someone that represents good. Everyone complains about how much negativity is mentioned publicly everyday and then you mention this guy and all the good he represents and what happens? Everyone complains!! Basically nobody is ever happy and nobody can ever win, sad world!!

[crazy mike]

I agree with you man, he is an incredible athlete but he was a great ball player in college. I think had he been given the chance to come back to Denver he would have led that team to victory again and again. Those guys began to really believe in him and when a team bbelieves in the QB it becomes a totally different team. I don't believe the jets wanted to play for Tebow, he didn't earn their respect like he did with Denver.

Everyone hates the guy because of the amount of press/coverage he gets. It can be a little much at times but again they are covering someone that represents good. Everyone complains about how much negativity is mentioned publicly everyday and then you mention this guy and all the good he represents and what happens? Everyone complains!! Basically nobody is ever happy and nobody can ever win, sad world!!

Again I don't follow football, BUT I know about Tebow from the press and the media and church. I live in Gator country. Every Christian here football fan or not follows ( to an extent) Tebow because he kneels and prays on the field. Somewhere there is a statue of him praying. It's like they want to follow and pray to Tebow. I'm exaggerating a bit but If you knew what goes on in the Gainesville churches. The same was with Danny Worfield (spelling?) He went to my church, oh no, really our football savior. And now WTF. That's all I'm saying., Remember I don't dislike this guy, I dislike how he exhibits himself. ...crazy mike

[evander87]

Belicheck wil turn him into a TE at best. He will NEVER be under center. He has a great work ethic but he's no qb. Hell, Urban knew that back in the college days. Got lucky w/him though but he;s now in the NFL.

I bet Tebow is filling in for Gronk for a while.

[Lunk1]

I hope he makes it on the roster and we get to see him develop under solid coaching and a Vet QB. I would have loved to have seen them keep him in Denver, let Payton beat him out (which he no doubt would have) and let him learn from arguably the best QB to play the game. It would have been an immeasurable benefit to Timmy.

I truly wish him success. Not because of his faith but is athleticism and his drive. Mad props!

[Rusty11]

How many college players, especially heisman winners, peak in college? It's a long list.

[crazy mike]

I hope he makes it on the roster and we get to see him develop under solid coaching and a Vet QB. I would have loved to have seen them keep him in Denver, let Payton beat him out (which he no doubt would have) and let him learn from arguably the best QB to play the game. It would have been an immeasurable benefit to Timmy.

I truly wish him success. Not because of his faith but is athleticism and his drive. Mad props!

I could and will agree, not really caring about the sport much, but tell him to get off that knee in the big arena. We are here/there to play football. That's all I can say. ...cm

[Lunk1]

How many college players, especially heisman winners, peak in college? It's a long list.

I love the list of Heisman and 1st round flops lol

[Rusty11]

It's strange how some players just can't make the transition to pro. Billions of dollars thrown down the drain. Then you have the Jerry Rice type players who come from obscure colleges that go on to HOF careers. Ya just never know. It's really time to try Tebow at a different position. Again, who knows what will happen.

[Shol'va]

[QUOTE=basketballfan22;6576344]Morality and religiousness are not equivalent. While there are certain traits of his that are admirable, there are some that aren't. How great of a guy can he really be when he hates gay people? Yes, believing they are going to hell is a form of hatred. It is funny how people assume a religious person is a great person. In my experience the really religious people tend to hate entire groups of people because of what they believe a book says.




Sad thing is that they fail to understand passages in the bible and fail to put them into context with what the sentences before and after are referring to. And usually they also fail to follow their own Bible as in judge not less yea be judged. But instead pick and choose verses out of context to use and try to justify their hatred towards others who are different. If they are going to condemn others of different likes and such, they should at the very least learn and understand the Bible from whence they quote. And to do that they have to go back into the ancient manuscripts with translations of Ancient Greek, Hebrew, and Caldean languages. But most wont do that and instead just puppet what their preacher of the day has to throw at them. One should never fully believe what any preacher says without fully checking it out for yourself! This month is a slow month for a lot of Preachers and their congregations and they know the best way to get those coffers filled to the brim with congregation money is to sound an alarm of attack against their church or very existence. For example all they need do is to bring up the hot button Gay Agenda as in they are trying to take over our church or they are trying to take over our local government. Better yet the marriage issue. If we don't stop them from allowing marriage which by the way is strictly reserved for all god fearing straight man and woman, according to them, our marriages will no longer be sacrosanct if we allow those gays to marry. but lets see now. Marriage is at an all time low with over 55% ending in divorce. So those preachers who preach that gays will destroy the American institution of marriage really need to take a look at what is going on now with only straight men marrying straight women. Personally though I prefer we don't have a marriage for gays especially since that institution is about bankrupt anyways without any help from gays. But anyways just bringing up issues such as these at the church during those down times really fires up the religious far right to open those wallets wide and really give like never before. Which the preachers love so they can finish the 10,000 square foot ballroom in their multimillion dollar mansions which by the way are all tax deductible under the religious exemptions on the IRS forms. So if one wants to make a bunch of moolah look no further than creating your own church.

One of Joyce Meyer's Mansions.



Benny Hinn Mansion







Pastor Preston Hollow In Texas. His small quaint lil home all bought and paid for by the congregation. Praise their lord (money) and pass the collection plate.





my questions is What Would Jesus Say to them about living such a kings way when their flock is on fixed incomes being constantly begged to send in their last dollar telling them that god is going to reward them 10 times over. Preying on the elderly with them being up in age nearer to passing on than most, being told by these preachers that they need to get right by god before they pass on and to do that is to send them their money. Bottom line is that the preachers don't hate the gays, but rather need them and use them as one of their best tools to bring in tons of money during those slow economic times. Of course you will never hear one of them even half admit to it as that would ruin everything for them. and well it would also slow down building of their new multimillion dollar mansion in Hawaii and that new private learjet that is on order for their vacations. This probably comes off as me hating on those preachers and indeed I do. I just wish that those who have faith would find them a church and a pastor locally they trust to feed them the word in the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse near their own community so the community could prosper from the churches help and the money would stay locally, instead of joining those long distance televangelists who are misleading their flock and living like kings and queens at the expense of the congregation. Wow that was cathartic for me..

[evander87]

I hope he makes it on the roster and we get to see him develop under solid coaching and a Vet QB. I would have loved to have seen them keep him in Denver, let Payton beat him out (which he no doubt would have) and let him learn from arguably the best QB to play the game. It would have been an immeasurable benefit to Timmy.

Gonna disagree with you lunk. Timmy isn't a QB. if he could check his ego and go over to tight end he might have a decent pro career. All the reports I've heard on the guy suggests his arm isn't anything special. Leave it to belichick to figure a new way to advance the game with a TE that can throw.

Eat meticulous, train ridiculous for best results.

[BlueWaffle21]

Gonna disagree with you lunk. Timmy isn't a QB. if he could check his ego and go over to tight end he might have a decent pro career. All the reports I've heard on the guy suggests his arm isn't anything special. Leave it to belichick to figure a new way to advance the game with a TE that can throw.

Eat meticulous, train ridiculous for best results.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard!! The dude doesn't have an ego and will do anything he is asked of to help his team win.

[Lunk1]

I agree. I don't see him as egotistical at all. It's the media hype that gives him that appearance. In fact he has remained nothing but humble is entire career.

As far as NOT being a QB? Perhaps but I think he possesses the athleticism and drive to play any position..but he def. needs work before he could be a consideration as a starting QB. Hell...Tavaris Jackson is still in the league lol.

[evander87]

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[evander87]

Never said he was egotistical I swear I heard the jets asked tebow to play TE and he said no. That's why I said if he can check his ego and play a position other than the vaulted quarterback he might have a career. Well the threat of not playing in the nfl might have giving him a better perspective.

Eat meticulous, train ridiculous for best results.

[BlueWaffle21]

Never said he was egotistical I swear I heard the jets asked tebow to play TE and he said no. That's why I said if he can check his ego and play a position other than the vaulted quarterback he might have a career. Well the threat of not playing in the nfl might have giving him a better perspective.

Eat meticulous, train ridiculous for best results.

I think you just confused heart and ego! The dude takes hits like a running back day in and day out and you think he won't play TE. This is why there is so much drama surrounding him, people always thinking they "heard" something. He is more humble than any other athlete on the field and only wants to play the game he loves. He always talks about his tea being the reason that they won and never takes sole credit.

I feel like I'm relentlessly defending the guy but I don't understand how anyone can hate him for the person that he is and what he believes in. The dude is the real deal and you should be wishing every sports figure was like him. Instead we have the Vicks and OJs of the world being sh*t role models for our kids, maybe Plaxico can get busted for a gun again and show everyone how and NFL player should act!

[evander87]

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I feel like I'm relentlessly defending the guy but I don't understand how anyone can hate him for the person that he is and what he believes in. The dude is the real deal and you should be wishing every sports figure was like him. Instead we have the Vicks and OJs of the world being sh*t role models for our kids, maybe Plaxico can get busted for a gun again and show everyone how and NFL player should act!

Probably why I love college ball and follow nfl in my fantasy league only. Lol

I have no feelings of love or hate for the guy. I don't see him being a good nfl quarterback and I've been saying that since the draft. Gronk is out for the beginning of the season and Brady is not giving up the starting position. Sounds to me like tebow could be playing TE for the pats.

On that note, Go USC!!!!

Eat meticulous, train ridiculous for best results.

[basketballfan22]

...
my questions is What Would Jesus Say to them about living such a kings way when their flock is on fixed incomes being constantly begged to send in their last dollar telling them that god is going to reward them 10 times over. Preying on the elderly with them being up in age nearer to passing on than most, being told by these preachers that they need to get right by god before they pass on and to do that is to send them their money. Bottom line is that the preachers don't hate the gays, but rather need them and use them as one of their best tools to bring in tons of money during those slow economic times. Of course you will never hear one of them even half admit to it as that would ruin everything for them. and well it would also slow down building of their new multimillion dollar mansion in Hawaii and that new private learjet that is on order for their vacations. This probably comes off as me hating on those preachers and indeed I do. I just wish that those who have faith would find them a church and a pastor locally they trust to feed them the word in the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse near their own community so the community could prosper from the churches help and the money would stay locally, instead of joining those long distance televangelists who are misleading their flock and living like kings and queens at the expense of the congregation. Wow that was cathartic for me..

Great post. I could go on and on, but I don't have the patience to argue (if you can call it that) with ignorant morons. I have learned long ago that the human race is full of all kinds of stupidity. Pittsburgh412, I hope your post was a joke because that argument is one I would expect a 10-year old to use. I am not flaming you; I just have no tolerance for bigots.

[basketballfan22]

I think you just confused heart and ego! The dude takes hits like a running back day in and day out and you think he won't play TE. This is why there is so much drama surrounding him, people always thinking they "heard" something. He is more humble than any other athlete on the field and only wants to play the game he loves. He always talks about his tea being the reason that they won and never takes sole credit.

I feel like I'm relentlessly defending the guy but I don't understand how anyone can hate him for the person that he is and what he believes in. The dude is the real deal and you should be wishing every sports figure was like him. Instead we have the Vicks and OJs of the world being sh*t role models for our kids, maybe Plaxico can get busted for a gun again and show everyone how and NFL player should act!

Or just look up to Peyton and Brees. Then you can have great guys who are also great at their position.

[Lunk1]

The thought of a TE that runs like a fullback and can throw the ball....imagine defending that!

[basketballfan22]

Never said he was egotistical I swear I heard the jets asked tebow to play TE and he said no. That's why I said if he can check his ego and play a position other than the vaulted quarterback he might have a career. Well the threat of not playing in the nfl might have giving him a better perspective.

Eat meticulous, train ridiculous for best results.

You are correct in your assertion. He didn't want to switch positions. Now I don't know what you want to call that, but the fact that he was so close to being removed from the NFL changed his tune to try new things. If there is one team and coach that is great at experimenting at placing players into different positions, it is the Patriots and Belichick.

[basketballfan22]

The thought of a TE that runs like a fullback and can't throw the ball....imagine defending that!

Fixed. The reason he isn't a quarterback is that he is one of the most inaccurate passers I have ever seen.

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sholva some very good points made man! most of em i agree with. the thing about christians and christianity, just like everything else, is it is run by PEOPLE. we screw everything UP! everything we touch we screw up! that is what we do man. ever since sin came into the world we started screwing stuff up..

we will continue to screw stuff up until sin is removed!

for the record speaking as a christian for the christian faith hating gay people is WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! according to my faith and the bible homosexuality is a sin and homosexual lifestyle is a sinful lifestyle. BUT so is being a drunk, liar, thief, tax cheater, drug dealer, drug abuser, hypocrite, etc, etc, etc..

we are all sinners. if i were to say: : "i hate all gay people" (which i do not) i would be a hypocrite as i am also guilty of sin.

james 2:10 "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."

[panntastic]

sholva some very good points made man! most of em i agree with. the thing about christians and christianity, just like everything else, is it is run by PEOPLE. we screw everything UP! everything we touch we screw up! that is what we do man. ever since sin came into the world we started screwing stuff up..

we will continue to screw stuff up until sin is removed!

for the record speaking as a christian for the christian faith hating gay people is WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! according to my faith and the bible homosexuality is a sin and homosexual lifestyle is a sinful lifestyle. BUT so is being a drunk, liar, thief, tax cheater, drug dealer, drug abuser, hypocrite, etc, etc, etc..

we are all sinners. if i were to say: : "i hate all gay people" (which i do not) i would be a hypocrite as i am also guilty of sin.

james 2:10 "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."

Your right people do screw things up everyone is guilty of that, but this is what brings (most of) us forward. We learn by our mistakes and adapt and overcome.
I'm not going to go into the whole god/science thing because I feel that is touched on a lot here and this was supposed to be a thread about a football player?

As for the anti gay comments I won't tolerate that crap
I hate that stuff I hate racism I hate bullies.

[--->>405<<---]

Your right people do screw things up everyone is guilty of that, but this is what brings (most of) us forward. We learn by our mistakes and adapt and overcome.
I'm not going to go into the whole god/science thing because I feel that is touched on a lot here and this was supposed to be a thread about a football player?

As for the anti gay comments I won't tolerate that crap
I hate that stuff I hate racism I hate bullies.

im with u buddy! we are all of Gods creation and He views us as equal, therefore we ARE EQUAL!

[panntastic]

im with u buddy! we are all of Gods creation and He views us as equal, therefore we ARE EQUAL!

Exactly and so many people forget that! We all bleed red we all breathe oxygen.
Skin colour, race, religion, shape, size it doesn't matter were all the same.
(Not a believer in the god theory, but I'm not one to knock another mans beliefs)

[--->>405<<---]

^^ people who dont understand this are just ignorant and unable to think objectively as well as live in reality IMO