Zimmerman: Not Guilty

**austinite** · 07-13-2013, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

He stated he thought the kids activities were suspicious and called 911. he then followed giving current location and description to the 911 operator. The operator told him to stop following and he acknowledged the operators order.

Gotchya.

**gixxerboy1** · 07-13-2013, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

There is equally NO evidence he WASNT doing something wrong. Its easy to Monday morning QB and say if he did this or that or suggest your opinion of how he should have done it but....the bottom line is that he did nothing to justify the assault and had every right to protect himself including the use of deadly force.

For the record, I agree that he had a wanna be complex and it put him in this position. That still doesn't mean he committed a crime or should have been on trial OR would have been anything but innocent.

Lol, really? How do you prove he wasnt planning on doing something wrong.
With that logic you do know and there is no evidence that zimmerman wasnt walking around calling him the n word and sayong he was going to shoot him. So trevon was using self defense against an armed retard.

**Cuz** · 07-13-2013, 09:21 PM

why exactly did he shoot the kid?

**gixxerboy1** · 07-13-2013, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

He stated he thought the kids activities were suspicious and called 911. he then followed giving current location and description to the 911 operator. The operator told him to stop following and he acknowledged the operators order.

The hell he did, he continued outside his car after the operator told him not too.

**Rusty11** · 07-13-2013, 09:24 PM

None of us were there. The jury heard the evidence and found him not guilty. End of story. But, the debating has only begun. Hopefully, it won't get ugly here.

**BIGTIMEPUSH** · 07-13-2013, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

And the gun nuts here freak me out. I felt safer in brooklyn or philly, then an expensive area of florida

I lived in West Palm, I agree with that. Even if you live in a multi-million dollar house you live next to the ghetto! Its like that all down the east coast of Florida!

**austinite** · 07-13-2013, 09:25 PM

I'm all for guns and self defense. But I just can't see anywhere in this entire case, on either side... where a death had to take place. I just don't. Oh well. What do I know.

**Lunk1** · 07-13-2013, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

Lol, really? How do you prove he wasnt planning on doing something wrong.
With that logic you do know and there is no evidence that zimmerman wasnt walking around calling him the n word and sayong he was going to shoot him. So trevon was using self defense against an armed retard.

You are the one saying Trevon wasn't doing anything wrong. The reality is that you cant prove he was or wasn't doing anything wrong. He is the only one who would know.

Zimmermans story (which hasn't changed) matches his injuries. Trevon had no injuries OTHER than the gun shot wound. Trevon was obviously in a offensive position on top of Zimmerman. The evidence is clear the shot was fired while Trevon was on top of Zimmerman.

Put the racial feelings and 2nd amendment feelings aside and consider the facts for what they are.

**ppwc1985** · 07-13-2013, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

I'm all for guns and self defense. But I just can't see anywhere in this entire case, on either side... where a death had to take place. I just don't. Oh well. What do I know.

This is all I'm really saying no one had to die. But p...... Shouldn't have guns.

**BIGTIMEPUSH** · 07-13-2013, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

I'm all for guns and self defense. But I just can't see anywhere in this entire case, on either side... where a death had to take place. I just don't. Oh well. What do I know.

Im saying the death came because Zimmerman had said during the scuffle Trayvon grabbed at his gun.
Now im not saying this was right to do because Zimmerman shouldnt have been there in the first place. But if the same where to happen to a cop the end result would be the same. A death.

**austinite** · 07-13-2013, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by ppwc1985

This is all I'm really saying no one had to die. But p...... Shouldn't have guns.

What is p?

**Lunk1** · 07-13-2013, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

I'm all for guns and self defense. But I just can't see anywhere in this entire case, on either side... where a death had to take place. I just don't. Oh well. What do I know.

No matter what happened or what was said prior. Zimmerman was punched in the face and Trevon was on top of him bashing his head into the concrete sidewalk. He stated he felt Trevon reach for his firearm which he managed to draw from his side and fired one round while Trevon was on top of him slamming his head.

I don't see how (at that point) a death was avoidable.

**austinite** · 07-13-2013, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by BIGTIMEPUSH

Im saying the death came because Zimmerman had said during the scuffle Trayvon grabbed at his gun.
Now im not saying this was right to do because Zimmerman shouldnt have been there in the first place. But if the same where to happen to a cop the end result would be the same. A death.

Yeah, I understand. But we don't actually know that those events exactly took place.

**gixxerboy1** · 07-13-2013, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

You are the one saying Trevon wasn't doing anything wrong. The reality is that you cant prove he was or wasn't doing anything wrong. He is the only one who would know.

Zimmermans story (which hasn't changed) matches his injuries. Trevon had no injuries OTHER than the gun shot wound. Trevon was obviously in a offensive position on top of Zimmerman. The evidence is clear the shot was fired while Trevon was on top of Zimmerman.

Put the racial feelings and 2nd amendment feelings aside and consider the facts for what they are.

Fellings aside, Zimmerman would never been on the bottom, or trevon in a offensive position if Zimmerman didnt follow him. And im sorry his injuries werent life threatening. Get real. He never went to the hospital so all his injuries are the pictures or what he said. Ive broken my nose twice and broke alot of them. Nobody died. And the cuts to his head? Ive aeen worse on a 10 year old falling of his bike.
The only fact we know is if Zimmerman stayes in his car this would not have happened. Its his actions that caused the death.

**BIGTIMEPUSH** · 07-13-2013, 09:32 PM

That's exactly why he was not convicted... There are reasonable doubt to how it all happened.

**gixxerboy1** · 07-13-2013, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

No matter what happened or what was said prior. Zimmerman was punched in the face and Trevon was on top of him bashing his head into the concrete sidewalk. He stated he felt Trevon reach for his firearm which he managed to draw from his side and fired one round while Trevon was on top of him slamming his head.

I don't see how (at that point) a death was avoidable.

And i love with you how what zimmerman says is apparently fact.

**ppwc1985** · 07-13-2013, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

What is p?

*****s

**Lunk1** · 07-13-2013, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by BIGTIMEPUSH

Im saying the death came because Zimmerman had said during the scuffle Trayvon grabbed at his gun.
Now im not saying this was right to do because Zimmerman shouldnt have been there in the first place. But if the same where to happen to a cop the end result would be the same. A death.

Why? he has as much right to be there and call 911 when he feels the need. He wasn't trespassing or burglarizing someones residence. he was reporting what he felt was suspicious activity.

**gixxerboy1** · 07-13-2013, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by BIGTIMEPUSH

That's exactly why he was not convicted... There are reasonable doubt to how it all happened.

I get that, thats the sad part. Apparently in Florida you can kill someone with no witnesses and theyvtaje your word for it

**gixxerboy1** · 07-13-2013, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Why? he has as much right to be there and call 911 when he feels the need. He wasn't trespassing or burglarizing someones residence. he was reporting what he felt was suspicious activity.

So he says. Maybe he was going after what did he call him fvcing punks and assholes? But he was an angel when he goy out of the car following him with a gun.
Maybe he just shot him, then banged his head for a legal defense, that makes as much sense as your you dont know trevon wasn't going to do something bad

**Lunk1** · 07-13-2013, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

And i love with you how what zimmerman says is apparently fact.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that there was physical evidence that supported his statement.

**ppwc1985** · 07-13-2013, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

Fellings aside, Zimmerman would never been on the bottom, or trevon in a offensive position if Zimmerman didnt follow him. And im sorry his injuries werent life threatening. Get real. He never went to the hospital so all his injuries are the pictures or what he said. Ive broken my nose twice and broke alot of them. Nobody died. And the cuts to his head? Ive aeen worse on a 10 year old falling of his bike.
The only fact we know is if Zimmerman stayes in his car this would not have happened. Its his actions that caused the death.

This is what is wrong today, back in the day of my generation even in the hood you fight you get an ass whipping or give one, now the they to scared to get whipped so they pull guns.

**BIGTIMEPUSH** · 07-13-2013, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

I get that, thats the sad part. Apparently in Florida you can kill someone with no witnesses and theyvtaje your word for it

No this is not sad... That's called the justice system... and in your opinion it has failed (which it has in the past). But let me ask you this, were you this upset when O.J. wasn't convicted... Because later in life he admitted he was guilty. The system is the system get upset be happy either way it works sometimes and fails as well.

**gixxerboy1** · 07-13-2013, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that there was physical evidence that supported his statement.

I guess its how u look at the evidence, not what the prosecutor thought

**austinite** · 07-13-2013, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

No matter what happened or what was said prior. Zimmerman was punched in the face and Trevon was on top of him bashing his head into the concrete sidewalk. He stated he felt Trevon reach for his firearm which he managed to draw from his side and fired one round while Trevon was on top of him slamming his head.

I don't see how (at that point) a death was avoidable.

I guess so, yeah. I mean if I was in that situation I'd probably shoot, too. But chances of me putting myself in that spot is ZERO. I'm really not defending either party, just playing devils advocate. But the fact is, no one was there. We don't even know if zimmerman's injuries were self-induced, do we? It's not uncommon to panic and attempt a cover up. (He did want to be a cop after all) hahahha, JOKE!

But really, 2 things here... I would have never followed him. Even if it was to get a description. Not like i'm in a car and can make a run for it if shit hits the fan. 2.... Zimmerman is a pvssy. Maybe he should take boxing lessons instead of spending all that time at the shooting range. Could have shattered the kids jaw and called it a day.

I'll bet you a million bucks, he would have never followed, had he not had the gun. I'd rather let them come into my home before I followed someone. Then I wouldn't have to explain why I killed someone.

The entire thing doesn't add up, on either side. But the court ruled! So it is what it is.

**gixxerboy1** · 07-13-2013, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by BIGTIMEPUSH

No this is not sad... That's called the justice system... and in your opinion it has failed (which it has in the past). But let me ask you this, were you this upset when O.J. wasn't convicted... Because later in life he admitted he was guilty. The system is the system get upset be happy either way it works sometimes and fails as well.

I wasnt younger thrn and really didnt care or follow it, but akways thought he did it.
Also i honestly feel with the laws in Florida anyone can be trevon

**Lunk1** · 07-13-2013, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

So he says. Maybe he was going after what did he call him fvcing punks and assholes? But he was an angel when he goy out of the car following him with a gun.
Maybe he just shot him, then banged his head for a legal defense, that makes as much sense as your you dont know trevon wasn't going to do something bad

Gixx, YOU stated Trevon WASNT doing anything wrong. How do we know what he was or wasn't doing is my point.

The evidence shows that the shot was fired while Zimmerman was on his back and Trevon was on top of him. Zimmerman suffered injuries from the beating that support his statement.

**Lunk1** · 07-13-2013, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

I guess its how u look at the evidence, not what the prosecutor thought

Evidence is evidence...it isn't what one side thinks

**gixxerboy1** · 07-13-2013, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Gixx, YOU stated Trevon WASNT doing anything wrong. How do we know what he was or wasn't doing is my point.

The evidence shows that the shot was fired while Zimmerman was on his back and Trevon was on top of him. Zimmerman suffered injuries from the beating that support his statement.

Trwvon wasnt doing anything wrong, nobody has even tried to say he was attempting to and there is zero evidence he was.
Nobody was there so we have Zimmermann s word which i believe is shit. He changed the story a bunch of times. Zimmerman wad looking for a issue and found it then couldn't deal with it

**BIGTIMEPUSH** · 07-13-2013, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

I wasnt younger thrn and really didnt care or follow it, but akways thought he did it.
Also i honestly feel with the laws in Florida anyone can be trevon

This is true florida has less strict gun laws than other states... But as far as the verdict I agree and respect the system.

**Lunk1** · 07-13-2013, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

I guess so, yeah. I mean if I was in that situation I'd probably shoot, too. But chances of me putting myself in that spot is ZERO. I'm really not defending either party, just playing devils advocate. But the fact is, no one was there. We don't even know if zimmerman's injuries were self-induced, do we? It's not uncommon to panic and attempt a cover up. (He did want to be a cop after all) hahahha, JOKE!

But really, 2 things here... I would have never followed him. Even if it was to get a description. Not like i'm in a car and can make a run for it if shit hits the fan. 2.... Zimmerman is a pvssy. Maybe he should take boxing lessons instead of spending all that time at the shooting range. Could have shattered the kids jaw and called it a day.

I'll bet you a million bucks, he would have never followed, had he not had the gun. I'd rather let them come into my home before I followed someone. Then I wouldn't have to explain why I killed someone.

The entire thing doesn't add up, on either side. But the court ruled! So it is what it is.

He actually had recently lost 100lbs and was working out with an MMA trainer who basically said his skill level was horrible lol.
I 100% agree that Zimmerman could have done things differently that would have changed the outcome but hindsight ya know.
I'm simply arguing the evidence is overwhelming that is was a legal and justified shooting based on self defense.

**austinite** · 07-13-2013, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

He actually had recently lost 100lbs and was working out with an MMA trainer who basically said his skill level was horrible lol.
I 100% agree that Zimmerman could have done things differently that would have changed the outcome but hindsight ya know.
I'm simply arguing the evidence is overwhelming that is was a legal and justified shooting based on self defense.

lol. That's all that really matters to me. I mean, it's not a broken window that could have been avoided, it's someones life. That alone is enough for me to say.... "Shooting was unjustified because it was 100% preventable." Even a confrontation could have been avoided, much less a scuffle and a death.

**austinite** · 07-13-2013, 09:48 PM

Ok you all have another 45 minutes to debate. Then I'm posting hot broad pics.

**gixxerboy1** · 07-13-2013, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

He actually had recently lost 100lbs and was working out with an MMA trainer who basically said his skill level was horrible lol.
I 100% agree that Zimmerman could have done things differently that would have changed the outcome but hindsight ya know.
I'm simply arguing the evidence is overwhelming that is was a legal and justified shooting based on self defense.

And i dont think you can ever claim self defense when you willingly put yourself in the situation.

**JAB1** · 07-13-2013, 09:51 PM

Everyones opinions aside the REALITY is that Zimmerman was on trial, and it was the states burden to prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and they failed. There are MANY DOUBTS such as all the ones you all are disagreeing about, and that is why he was found not guilty. The same standards exist in all states not just Florida

**BIGTIMEPUSH** · 07-13-2013, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

lol. That's all that really matters to me. I mean, it's not a broken window that could have been avoided, it's someones life. That alone is enough for me to say.... "Shooting was unjustified because it was 100% preventable." Even a confrontation could have been avoided, much less a scuffle and a death.

True but a conviction could not be given due to gaps in evidence. This is our system this is how it works... Respect it!!! And as far as Zimmerman getting his, Im sure he has lost his "life" it is now not the same. And he already has had death threats!!! He is already dealing with his mistake in judgment to follow treyvon.

**Lunk1** · 07-13-2013, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

Trwvon wasnt doing anything wrong, nobody has even tried to say he was attempting to and there is zero evidence he was.
Nobody was there so we have Zimmermann s word which i believe is shit. He changed the story a bunch of times. Zimmerman wad looking for a issue and found it then couldn't deal with it

Do you know what Trevon was doing that day? Do you know why he was walking between the houses? NO? Me either.

He really never changed the core story after being interviewed numerous times. Did some of the small details change? Yes. Everyone's story changes to a degree when it's told over and over.

Again, the evidence corroborates the statement.

**Cuz** · 07-13-2013, 09:53 PM

"its not what you know, its what you can prove in court"

**austinite** · 07-13-2013, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by BIGTIMEPUSH

True but a conviction could not be given due to gaps in evidence. This is our system this is how it works... Respect it!!! And as far as Zimmerman getting his, Im sure he has lost his "life" it is now not the same. And he already has had death threats!!! He is already dealing with his mistake in judgment to follow treyvon.

Respect it? Never said I don't respect the system, but I most certainly don't have to respect anything I don't feel like respecting, not the system, not the president, nothing. I live in America. I pay plenty for this freedom.

**BIGTIMEPUSH** · 07-13-2013, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Respect it? Never said I don't respect the system, but I most certainly don't have to respect anything I don't feel like respecting, not the system, not the president, nothing. I live in America. I pay plenty for this freedom.

Wasn't saying that to you, sorry should have sent another post... Your part was that he is getting his now...