Why are AAS illegal and cigarettes and booze legal?

[mattvdh]

Regulation has and will never solve anything. Just like anything else, if steroids were legalized, the market would weed out the garbage products. People always gravitate towards the better product and service and the bad products and services go out of business.

It's not governments job to keep us safe in a sense of government knows best, but to keep us safe from those who want to tell us they know best.

Regulation would solve many things. If it were manufactured in a lab using products that have been thoroughly tested and researched, then it's definitely better than some amateurs version of it. And finding reliable sources is a big problem, you don't know what you're taking. If they regulated it then it would guarantee a form of quality control. Plus market competition would improve the quality and hopefully reduce side effects and consumer costs.

I'm not clear on your last statement.

[krugerr]

They keep raising the tax on Cigarettes and Alcohol in the uk. Which I think is great, these have no health benefits at all.
Steroids , although the majority use them improperly, they do have health benefits. They're a medication. I'm fairly certain that should we live in a works where these were legal, we would see better population health and less smoking/drinking. How this would effect the governments income though... Cigarettes here are £7 or so now!

[dickster]

Metalject,

I see your point about individualism, but where are the limits, to live in any society there has to be limits unless we opt for anarchy.
What about, wife, child, mother, father, sister, brother, will abuse of your body not affect them, could it affect your employment or your mortgage payments if you become ill.
I personally agree with legalising ASS, but then will the cocaine users, heroin users and the vast amount of pill poppers out there want there's legalised.
Where will it all end.
Cigarettes and alcohol were introduced hundreds of years ago, they used to say cigs were good for you.
If everything were legalised, would we all end up living in a wigwam, in a hippie commune, drinking from the local stream, unable to hold a job down or support your loved ones, how will we be able to purchase our underground drugs or even pay the legal prescription.

Hitler was one of the first to make use of ASS for his troops, I am sure he would have loved to have bred a population of ASS super - beings given the chance.
Are you saying they should be freely available at the local shop, or given and monitored by medical practitioners, if monitored who should they be given to, the fat, the thin, the (I'm to lazy work out hard), the old, the young, those who lack confidence, or those who want to impress.

I am not knocking anyone's views, these are mine only.
It would be a great world if every decision was as easy as yes or no.

[mattvdh]

I don't care that booze and cigarettes are legal really, if people want to kill themselves slowly, that's their problem. I have a problem with smokers polluting the air and pitching their butts everywhere, and I have a big problem with drunks causing shit. But the most annoying thing about these laws is that it's a major double standard to say that steroids , and pot for the matter are unhealthy and turn the blind eye on other things.

The thing about steroids is that it doesn't get you high necessarily, so it's a healthy drug in the sense that you're going to be using it to enhance athletic ability and appearance. Both of the those things are very positive. Also AAS would give people more incentive to eat right and work out, given the result oriented nature of the drugs, it would have a positive impact on the obesity rates and all the diseases associated with overeating and lack of exercise. The general population would become a lot more fit looking and that's a good thing. I think people tend to give up on exercise because it's such a long and drawn out process to see results, endless dieting, cardio, weightlifting and sacrifice. If they would see results in a few weeks vs a several months, years or not much change at all, they would be a lot more inclined to stick to their diets and workout.

Working out and eating right is all about motivation and incentives and I think AAS would really encourage the average person to workout. Who wouldn't want to stay lean and fit once they've seen and felt what it's like to be in shape.

I think that the fact that it's illegal makes people want to abuse it more actually, it's that 'people want what they can't have' . I remember when I was a pot smoker and I had an abundance of pot I didn't even really feel like smoking all that much, but when I was out I'd buy a bunch and smoke it dry. If it were legalized and people knew that there was an unlimited supply they would probably control themselves more. It's like Holland, when they initially legalized pot the rates of smokers went up at first, but eventually it decreased to below when it was illegal. Same with prostitution. The majority of revenues come from tourists who aren't used to such privileges. But once you've become accustomed to it it's no big deal and you eventually become bored of it.

[mattvdh]

Metalject,

I see your point about individualism, but where are the limits, to live in any society there has to be limits unless we opt for anarchy.
What about, wife, child, mother, father, sister, brother, will abuse of your body not affect them, could it affect your employment or your mortgage payments if you become ill.
I personally agree with legalising ASS, but then will the cocaine users, heroin users and the vast amount of pill poppers out there want there's legalised.
Where will it all end.
Cigarettes and alcohol were introduced hundreds of years ago, they used to say cigs were good for you.
If everything were legalised, would we all end up living in a wigwam, in a hippie commune, drinking from the local stream, unable to hold a job down or support your loved ones, how will we be able to purchase our underground drugs or even pay the legal prescription.

Hitler was one of the first to make use of ASS for his troops, I am sure he would have loved to have bred a population of ASS super - beings given the chance.
Are you saying they should be freely available at the local shop, or given and monitored by medical practitioners, if monitored who should they be given to, the fat, the thin, the (I'm to lazy work out hard), the old, the young, those who lack confidence, or those who want to impress.

I am not knocking anyone's views, these are mine only.
It would be a great world if every decision was as easy as yes or no.

No don't be silly, nobody is advocating heroin or cocaine use/legalization. I think we can all agree, especially the users themselves, that both of those and meth are really, really negative for anyone. AAS users aren't robbing their grandmothers and neighbors to get their 'fix'. You can't just take AAS and sit around, you have to have your shit together, like money to pay for the food, gym pass and all that. It's really a rich persons drug who has a lot of discipline. It's generally a very positive drug for most people when use properly and the real deal and the quality is good.

[Metalject]

of all things to ban though, why steroids . It enhances recovery time and athletic ability. Who would utilize these sort of things: A.) a recovering patient and B) competitive athletes. So if we follow the money trail who is making money off of banning it, A.) the medical association/industry B.) supplement companies

think of how much money supplement companies make a year by showing images of athletes on AAS and then showing them taking their products. I think they may have a big hand in this game. By keeping steroids illegal, they continue to keep people chasing the dragon of getting big. On the other hand, if they could sell steroids they would make a ton of money, but it would also effectively kill the market for their other products, so I think there's possibly more money in their crap supplements than there is in a few steroid products. The only product people would really buy is whey, maybe creatine and multivitamins as well. Other than that it kills the dream.

The medical industry, yes. The supplement industry, no. The supplement industry is simply taking advantage of the situation, nothing more. Supplement companies, while they make some big money they pale in comparison to the medical and pharmaceutical industry. They have no power whatsoever. In fact, there are many in congress who wish to put the vast majority of over the counter supplements on the banned list, even protein powder has been brought up more than once before congress.

[mattvdh]

Steroids are illegal, and due to legal reasons, bb.com can't be associated with anything to do with steroids. Being held responsible if someone reads something on there and gets phucked over, etc. They use to have an awesome steroid sub section and porn section, back in the day. Mods are also fast to close threads down that might insinuate steroid discussions, like PH's/SERM threads, etc.

This is an example of accommodating the lowest common denominator idiocy we have in our societies. We shouldn't force everyone to adapt to kindergarten like treatment just because a few retards in the bunch can't follow procedure/instruction/rules. It's like saying 'well cleetus shot his head off when he was cleaning his loaded riffle, so that's why all guns should be illegal'. Or 'johnny and peter have been convicted of rape and pedophilia, so therefor all men should be castrated'. Extreme examples, but you get the idea.

[mattvdh]

The medical industry, yes. The supplement industry, no. The supplement industry is simply taking advantage of the situation, nothing more. Supplement companies, while they make some big money they pale in comparison to the medical and pharmaceutical industry. They have no power whatsoever. In fact, there are many in congress who wish to put the vast majority of over the counter supplements on the banned list, even protein powder has been brought up more than once before congress.

Yeah I'm just playing with a theory on that one, but most likely it's the medical industry/pharms who have the most influence. It seems that the older I get the more I resent the medical industry. There's no money in making people healthy and well, people don't seem to understand that the way they make their business is by keeping you as a patient. They've sold us this idea that doctors are to be trusted and that they're the 'good guys' trying to improve the world. It's not that all doctors have evil intentions, but I look at them like car salesmen. They're trying to make a good living, nothing wrong with that, but they're taking advantage of people's naivety and ignorances. They might seem buddy-buddy with you and trustful, but they really don't care about your health after you step out of their office, in fact I think they're hoping for you to return.

[austinite]

Easy on the rec drug talk guys. I get the conversation but lets keep it within the rules.

[dickster]

Is not coke a rich mans drug.
Some have used it recreationally for years, mainly the rich, without killing themselves.

60mg a day of dbol for multiple cycles, with no peptides or pct ain't gonna hurt you come on man, juicing at a young age ain't gonna hurt you.

We all have different opinions, I am done with this thread, I wish you all well, this is what a forum is for, taking everyone's views into consideration. Good night.

Sorry for going outside the rules, guess we are all passionate about our views.

[austinite]

no more drug talk

[bdos]

Love is a drug

[Metalject]

Why is there are rule that says you can't use drugs as a reference when making an argument about drugs i.e. steroids ? I'm sure there's a reason/purpose but I can't think of one off the top of my head. Just curious.

[bdos]

Why is there are rule that says you can't use drugs as a reference when making an argument about drugs i.e. steroids? I'm sure there's a reason/purpose but I can't think of one off the top of my head. Just curious.

I just go with cause austin said so

[mattvdh]

no more drug talk

on steroid .com? hmm that's confusing
It's like saying no wrestling talk on a WWE forum.

Ok fine whateves

[Flagg]

on steroid .com? hmm that's confusing
It's like saying no wrestling talk on a WWE forum.

Ok fine whateves

Exactly.Do you think this board wants to attract attention when people type in the word of a certain drug and this place flashes up?

[BG]

We are pushing the envelope as it is and we consider this forum a cut above the rest and dont want rec drug to bring it down. Once it gets started it always goes to far. Thanks everyone.

[skaz915]

I read online before "If steroids are illegal for athletes, then photo shop should be illegal for models." Kinda funny but very true if you think about it

[boz]

This really is a broad question.................

like asking why is the sky blue?

[bdos]

This really is a broad question.................

like asking why is the sky blue?

Reflection off the ocean i think

[Metalject]

Regulation would solve many things. If it were manufactured in a lab using products that have been thoroughly tested and researched, then it's definitely better than some amateurs version of it. And finding reliable sources is a big problem, you don't know what you're taking. If they regulated it then it would guarantee a form of quality control. Plus market competition would improve the quality and hopefully reduce side effects and consumer costs.

I'm not clear on your last statement.

My last comment you referred to means was talking about this....government regulation often takes away the ability of an individual to make a choice on his own, the government becomes the parent, which is not their job, at least not in the U.S. The U.S. was set up differently than any government on earth, to allow people to make their own decisions and for it's government to protect that right and protect them from anything that infringes or damages that right. That's the entire point of the U.S. in a nutshell or at least that's what was intended.

As for regulation, I've yet to see the U.S. government regulate anything and improve it.

[Metalject]

Metalject,

I see your point about individualism, but where are the limits, to live in any society there has to be limits unless we opt for anarchy.
What about, wife, child, mother, father, sister, brother, will abuse of your body not affect them, could it affect your employment or your mortgage payments if you become ill.
I personally agree with legalising ASS, but then will the cocaine users, heroin users and the vast amount of pill poppers out there want there's legalised.
Where will it all end.
Cigarettes and alcohol were introduced hundreds of years ago, they used to say cigs were good for you.
If everything were legalised, would we all end up living in a wigwam, in a hippie commune, drinking from the local stream, unable to hold a job down or support your loved ones, how will we be able to purchase our underground drugs or even pay the legal prescription.

Hitler was one of the first to make use of ASS for his troops, I am sure he would have loved to have bred a population of ASS super - beings given the chance.
Are you saying they should be freely available at the local shop, or given and monitored by medical practitioners, if monitored who should they be given to, the fat, the thin, the (I'm to lazy work out hard), the old, the young, those who lack confidence, or those who want to impress.

I am not knocking anyone's views, these are mine only.
It would be a great world if every decision was as easy as yes or no.

One could make the argument that comparing hard drugs to steroids isn't a fair argument being that we know hard drugs tend to make people do things that are damaging to others, while AAS does not. Personally, I'd like to see the war on all drugs end, people should be punished for the wrong they do...hurt someone, steal from someone and your punished. If you did this because you were using hard drugs or clean as a whistle doesn't matter, the harm you caused is what matters. And when you do such harm, you should actually be severely punished...harsh punishment for real crime would solve the problem. And again, this is a problem that doesn't occur due to AAS use.

If everything were legalized, all things in life, would it destroy society? The things people do that destroy themselves, they're going to do regardless of the law. The law has no affect on someones desire to do these things. If everything was legal, does this mean most would spend their days stoned out of their mind screwing $4 hookers every chance they got? I highly doubt it, most people want a better life for themselves and most people realize this type of behavior will in no way lead to that end. Sure, some choose to live like this, but again, they choose to regardless of the law.

[RajaSultan]

It seems to be more a board dedicated to miscers and selling their crappy supplements.

this is a snap for a minute ago


This is supposed to be a BB board? 8 out of 16 threads and misc, there's only 2 sort of BB related threads.

it's called misc for a reason man, and people post many things because everyone is rep hungry there, some guy even drank his own cum to get mod repped while some other guy drank water out of a toilet bowl.

[mattvdh]

One could make the argument that comparing hard drugs to steroids isn't a fair argument being that we know hard drugs tend to make people do things that are damaging to others, while AAS does not. Personally, I'd like to see the war on all drugs end, people should be punished for the wrong they do...hurt someone, steal from someone and your punished. If you did this because you were using hard drugs or clean as a whistle doesn't matter, the harm you caused is what matters. And when you do such harm, you should actually be severely punished...harsh punishment for real crime would solve the problem. And again, this is a problem that doesn't occur due to AAS use.

If everything were legalized, all things in life, would it destroy society? The things people do that destroy themselves, they're going to do regardless of the law. The law has no affect on someones desire to do these things. If everything was legal, does this mean most would spend their days stoned out of their mind screwing $4 hookers every chance they got? I highly doubt it, most people want a better life for themselves and most people realize this type of behavior will in no way lead to that end. Sure, some choose to live like this, but again, they choose to regardless of the law.

Yeah I agree the war on drugs is a really silly idea to think that they can control people to such a degree. However there's already pretty harsh laws in place for many abusers who commit crimes, so I'm not sure what more they could do to discourage people.

[mattvdh]

Rajasultan: That's just the newest threads feed, it lists all the latest threads. My point was that almost every thread is a misc or non BB. And they threaten to ban you for steroid talk, it's ridiculous. It's a friggen BB forum, steroids are a huge part of BB. Why can't they just make users agree to a waiver when they sign up so they can't be held liable--seems like an obvious thing to do.

[RajaSultan]

Rajasultan: That's just the newest threads feed, it lists all the latest threads. My point was that almost every thread is a misc or non BB. And they threaten to ban you for steroid talk, it's ridiculous. It's a friggen BB forum, steroids are a huge part of BB. Why can't they just make users agree to a waiver when they sign up so they can't be held liable--seems like an obvious thing to do.

there had been a case or something file on bb site before, they advertised something on their website saying "make steroids at home" teaching people stuff about roids and everything like that, then bb made it to the news, so they had to ban people for talking like that to avoid trouble, if u see old threads there have been alot of steroid talks and no-one was banned.

[mattvdh]

Did someone threaten a lawsuit or legal action?

[RajaSultan]

Did someone threaten a lawsuit or legal action?

Don't know, i read about it a long time ago, there was a video about it on Youtube also. but srsly forgot

[Honkey_Kong]

Don't know, i read about it a long time ago, there was a video about it on Youtube also. but srsly forgot

They had a lot of incidents. But the one that got them to crackdown was when this happened:

Bodybuilding.com Raided in Criminal Steroid Investigation on Eve of IFBB Olympia Weekend