Thinkung about using black marjet versus TRT clinic

**Tnatious** · 09-09-2013, 07:06 PM

Just requested a print out of the last 3 months supplement purchases and I am blown away! I feel I am now dialed in on my protocol and I am seriously considering ordering my hormones and supplements via the black market! I know this is a risky idea but with out insurance there is no way I can continue with my current clinic's costs!!!

**EverettCD** · 09-10-2013, 01:06 AM

Does your current out of pocket cost exceed what something like the LowT center advertised here cost? I'm not saying they're the only game in town but maybe it's a more affordable, safe option. I know most of these "TRT Clinics" I see around town cost an arm & a leg & cash is king, no insurance accepted.

Personally I would be hesitant to by Test via the black market & actually inject it into my quad. But this is coming from a guy that has only used Test Cyp from the pharmacy.

**Tnatious** · 09-10-2013, 05:23 AM

EverettCD

Thanks for advice and I am merely venting! LowT is def a better option but at the same time I could get 4-5 vials of pharm grade t , Arimidex and HCG for the cost of a month's service. But as you have stated...nothing is safer than buying directly from the pharm

**Honkey_Kong** · 09-10-2013, 06:10 AM

Tnatious, there is no comparison between real pharmacy gear and some stuff you buy from a guy you know (or online).

And you really should not be running TRT on your own. That sort of stuff you should be running under real medical supervision given by professionals.

This site is pretty affordable:

LowTestosterone.com - $199 All-Included Testosterone Treatment

**EverettCD** · 09-10-2013, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Tnatious

EverettCD

Thanks for advice and I am merely venting! LowT is def a better option but at the same time I could get 4-5 vials of pharm grade t , Arimidex and HCG for the cost of a month's service. But as you have stated...nothing is safer than buying directly from the pharm

Hey no problem. I'm picking up what you're putting down, when it comes to spending hard earned money it's tough to not take the cheaper deal & run with it.

Good luck to you whichever way you go.

**< <Samson> >** · 09-10-2013, 01:27 PM

I have been looking into this for a bit for myself. If you are staying on gear(TRT or whatever) you want quality. Yes, you can use UGL and be okay - But, for how long? UGL gear does contain something extra that you may not be paying for(metals and other contaminants).

So, your choices are:

Pay a grip of cash and get 100% quality, every time.
Run UGL and hope for the best. < Ehh, I can't say I'd suggest this to myself or anyone else.
Get your hands on some Iranian gear and other meds. Is it 100%? That's up for a tad of a debate. But, it will be your best all around bet.

**austinite** · 09-10-2013, 01:34 PM

Thinkung, Marjet... I have a headache already

**EverettCD** · 09-10-2013, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

I have been looking into this for a bit for myself. If you are staying on gear(TRT or whatever) you want quality. Yes, you can use UGL and be okay - But, for how long? UGL gear does contain something extra that you may not be paying for(metals and other contaminants).

So, your choices are:

Pay a grip of cash and get 100% quality, every time.
Run UGL and hope for the best. < Ehh, I can't say I'd suggest this to myself or anyone else.
Get your hands on some Iranian gear and other meds. Is it 100%? That's up for a tad of a debate. But, it will be your best all around bet.

When using UGL Gear, would it benefit the user to filter the product with a small micron syringe filter? Are these metal particles too small for a syringe filter to catch?

I've never researched UGL Gear, I had no idea about that issue.

**< <Samson> >** · 09-10-2013, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by EverettCD

When using UGL Gear, would it benefit the user to filter the product with a small micron syringe filter? Are these metal particles too small for a syringe filter to catch?

I've never researched UGL Gear, I had no idea about that issue.

To some point

But, not for other contaminants such as metals

**EverettCD** · 09-11-2013, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

To some point

But, not for other contaminants such as metals

Ok cool, that makes sense. Thanks for the info.

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**bass** · 09-11-2013, 09:56 AM

TRT is for life, so putting questionable drugs in your body that long. well! is this a risk you're willing to take? this probably should have been posted in the HRT section.

**bass** · 09-11-2013, 09:59 AM

my suggestion is stay with your current clinic but keep looking for a TRT doctor that gives you the script to take to any pharmacy. you may save some money this way.

**EverettCD** · 09-11-2013, 04:32 PM

Tnatious,

2Sox posted this website a while back in the HRT forum.
Prices, Coupons and Information - GoodRx

Check it out, thank God I have insurance & I only have to pay $5 for my Test Cyp but if I was to lose my insurance it's only $11.07 with the coupon from the GoodRx site. All you do is print the coupon & take it to the pharmacy & pay cash. Everyone needs to know about this, that's a chunk-o-change saved.

**Tnatious** · 09-12-2013, 06:19 PM

Thanks EverettCD!

Only issue is that this wonderful clinic that I belong to does not prescribe oils! Only creams!!! Grrrrrr!

**EverettCD** · 09-12-2013, 09:24 PM

You're welcome. I'm always looking for ways to save money, if you change Dr's this will help ya out.

**Metalject** · 09-12-2013, 10:16 PM

I think a lot of men who are on TRT and have their insurance cover it or at least a very large portion of it are in for a rude awaking over the next 12-18 months. It might take a little longer for some but I'd be surprised. My point, the day of insurance covering TRT is getting ready to go bye-bye. You can thank the Affordable Care Act for that.

BTW, your comparison with LowT...you could get all that for $199? Pharma grade test alone on the black market, actual Organon or Schering, 40-50ml, the absolute best you could do would be $240-300 but it would more than likely be more like $400-$500 for 4-5 bottles and that's not including AI or HCG . Granted, your yearly cost would still be less but the savings wouldn't be enormous and it would also come with the risk associated with it. Just something to think about.

**Rwy** · 09-13-2013, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

I think a lot of men who are on TRT and have their insurance cover it or at least a very large portion of it are in for a rude awaking over the next 12-18 months. It might take a little longer for some but I'd be surprised. My point, the day of insurance covering TRT is getting ready to go bye-bye. You can thank the Affordable Care Act for that.

BTW, your comparison with LowT...you could get all that for $199? Pharma grade test alone on the black market, actual Organon or Schering, 40-50ml, the absolute best you could do would be $240-300 but it would more than likely be more like $400-$500 for 4-5 bottles and that's not including AI or HCG. Granted, your yearly cost would still be less but the savings wouldn't be enormous and it would also come with the risk associated with it. Just something to think about.

In my search for finding a legit TRT dr I have heard that not only will it be gone but a lot of places are going to get shut down (Clinics and Dr's) becuase the proper medical protocol is not followed. Before anything is administered an MRI is supposed to be done on the pituitary gland for tumors. Even though the risks are low is still the proper protocol to follow. At least this is what has been told to me by ample Dr's

I just started going to TRT Dr in my area that is know for ebing a putz but we came to an agreement on dose and duration. As he was doing 400mg every two weeks and I want a 100mg a week. No hcg or ai but I take care of that on my own.

***LowT Mike*** · 09-13-2013, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Rwy

In my search for finding a legit TRT dr I have heard that not only will it be gone but a lot of places are going to get shut down (Clinics and Dr's) becuase the proper medical protocol is not followed. Before anything is administered an MRI is supposed to be done on the pituitary gland for tumors. Even though the risks are low is still the proper protocol to follow. At least this is what has been told to me by ample Dr's

I just started going to TRT Dr in my area that is know for ebing a putz but we came to an agreement on dose and duration. As he was doing 400mg every two weeks and I want a 100mg a week. No hcg or ai but I take care of that on my own.

IMO and what the A4m medical board teaches...You would only do an MRI if someone had a very unusually low T level or reflex flagged an abnormal prolactin suggestive of prolactin secreting pituitary tumor. This is the proper medical protocol and what they teach at A4m...We follow the "Harvard Protocol" which is A4m's protocol. You follow that you ok in the eyes of the DEA...for now!

If your a Doctor that requires every patient to do an MRI. Thats great to overkill triage your patients if they dont mind to pay for a host of otherwise erroneous test not suggestive for their labs/symptoms/health history. I guess it dosent hurt. Generally 1 in 2000 men with an abnormally low T less than 200 have a benign tumor. Guess what the treatment is for T suppression with men with Pit tumor...Give testosterone replacment therapy. LOL This is only an issue if the tumor grows from micro to macro-- greater than 5x5x5mm. Patient would have peripheral vision obstruction and other eyesight issues. Treatment---surgery followed by TRT. So the end result is always TRT. Dont think anyone is getting shut down for not doing an MRI.

Doctors do get licenses taken away for selling office use only T our the back door (Doctors are actually do jail sentences for this...big pharma wont stand for doctors having their hand in the cookie jar) , giving men superphysiological doses of T for physique improvements as T treatment is only approved for symptomatic improvement and giving men who dont have true symptoms of andropause + suboptimal labs + no contraindications for treatment. My 2 cents.