Police Officer Shatters Student's Car Window

[DexterMorgan]

Who's right or wrong here?

[Euroholic]

Text book procedure the cops did nothing wrong

[austinite]

Text book procedure the cops did nothing wrong

Yeah? Because you're so familiar with US laws?

[tdoe11]

Who's right or wrong here? YouTube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ObiQnzve13k

That girl was asking for it. That cop has much better self control than 90% of police I have encountered.

[DexterMorgan]

I'm not sure if she had to roll down the window all the way down, I think you don't have to, but I could be wrong.
Either way she wasn't cooperating. She made a mistake rolling the window up, could have broke his wrist or fingers.
Cop was cool and polite. She acted like an annoying 14 year old.

[redz]

She deserved it, there was no reason for her to act like that.

[Euroholic]

Yeah? Because you're so familiar with US laws?

Well mate explain to me please what he did wrong then cheers.

I watched enough tom celic as a kid to no enough austinite

[austinite]

forget this thread..........

[DexterMorgan]

Am I the only one here who has been driving for 6 years and has never been pulled over? lol

[Euroholic]

The girl was certainly annoying and this could have been prevented if she just rolled her window down. However... there is NO LAW that states you have to roll the window down all the way. Not in any county in the US. It was more than half way down, he could have just handed her the citation, she even put her hand out of the car. There are 1000's upon 1000's of videos where officers get SO frustrated with drivers who don't pull their window down but do NOTHING because they know it's not the law.

The cop was nice, but he also hiding an ego. Either way, I would have smacked that girl for being so annoying lol.

By the way... in Texas... the cops TELL US NOT TO ROLL THE WINDOW DOWN ALL THE WAY, especially if you're unable to see the marking on the cop car. If the window is illegally tinted, it would be another story. I personally always roll my window down all the way. Right or wrong, I know it pisses cops off and it's not worth the hassle when I can be on my way in 5 minutes.

I hate the rest of America. lol. Texas for life.

Do you not have laws about following olice directive? You hate your own country? Thats pretty harsh dude

[austinite]

Do you not have laws about following olice directive? You hate your own country? Thats pretty harsh dude

Euro, you child. Of course there are laws, read the quote again. You can't be THAT slow...

Don't take my last comment that seriously, you seem to take everything literally. If you can't comprehend anything such as sarcasm, then shut the fvck up and don't converse with me. Got it, Child?

You still selling drugs to children and ruining them??

[Euroholic]

Euro, you child. Of course there are laws, read the quote again. You can't be THAT slow...

Don't take my last comment that seriously, you seem to take everything literally. If you can't comprehend anything such as sarcasm, then shut the fvck up and don't converse with me. Got it, Child?

You still selling drugs to children and ruining them??

The quote says nothing about police directive laws. You cant use that language towards me. You always seem to resort to aggression when people dissagree with you

[MuscleInk]

The girl was certainly annoying and this could have been prevented if she just rolled her window down. However... there is NO LAW that states you have to roll the window down all the way. Not in any county in the US. It was more than half way down, he could have just handed her the citation, she even put her hand out of the car. There are 1000's upon 1000's of videos where officers get SO frustrated with drivers who don't pull their window down but do NOTHING because they know it's not the law.

The cop was nice, but he also hiding an ego. Either way, I would have smacked that girl for being so annoying lol.

By the way... in Texas... the cops TELL US NOT TO ROLL THE WINDOW DOWN ALL THE WAY, especially if you're unable to see the marking on the cop car. If the window is illegally tinted, it would be another story. I personally always roll my window down all the way. Right or wrong, I know it pisses cops off and it's not worth the hassle when I can be on my way in 5 minutes.

I hate the rest of America. lol. Texas for life.

Do I have to wear cowboy boots and a cowboy hat if I come there Austinite?

[austinite]

The quote says nothing about police directive laws. You cant use that language towards me. You always seem to resort to aggression when people dissagree with you

Shut the fvck up you dumb child. I am aggressive towards you only because you are a worthless member and garbage for the forums.

You are insignificant, Ereoholic. You will always be insignificant. Just a low, trashy loser that should have never existed. Those simple facts will never change, because you are garbage online, garbage in real life and you will always be garbage.

Learn how to spell, educate yourself, stop causing so much harm to helpless children in Australia, and maybe... MAYBE one day you will be worth a buck.

You insignificant child. Hows that for aggressive, you turd? DO NOT converse with me.

[austinite]

Do I have to wear cowboy boots and a cowboy hat if I come there Austinite?

Just so I can see it, yes! lol.

[Fcastle357]

The quote says nothing about police directive laws. You cant use that language towards me. You always seem to resort to aggression when people dissagree with you

I love it. "You can't talk that way to me!" Classic.

[MuscleInk]

Just so I can see it, yes! lol.

Damn!!! I look really goofy in any hat - more goofy than normal. Lol

[bass]

what's with the annoying US haters lately?!

[MuscleInk]

The officer maintained his composure much longer than I would have. I would have only asked once before I smashed the window and hauled her noncompliant argumentative ass out of the vehicle - but that's why LE isn't for me.

What was so hard with cooperating with the officer's request!?! I agree with Austinite. It's one thing to be cautious about who you open the window for but there were two marked cruisers on scene. Just cooperate damn it!!!!!

[austinite]

The officer maintained his composure much longer than I would have. I would have only asked once before I smashed the window and hauled her noncompliant argumentative ass out of the vehicle - but that's why LE isn't for me.

What was so hard with cooperating with the officer's request!?! I agree with Austinite. It's one thing to be cautious about who you open the window for but there were two marked cruisers on scene. Just cooperate damn it!!!!!

Agree. This could have been avoided completely. Roll your dang windows down folks!

[bass]

just finished watching the video, could barley finish it, was just as annoying as Euroholic,'s posts! LOL.

[Fcastle357]

Come on euro I'm tired. Gonna respond. I'm stay ing up for this. Lol I know im a immature kid.

[austinite]

Come on Euro... take more things literally and try to make the OP look bad. Second time you do this to me you garbage can.

[MuscleInk]

Agree. This could have been avoided completely. Roll your dang windows down folks!

Right!?! I just don't get some people - and the next thing you know she'll be claiming it was racially provoked. No, you were being a stupid biatch. Color had nothing to do with it. I would have done the same if she was black, white, yellow, green, or a rainbow of colors.

I'm starting to question Darwin's theory of natural selection? How do these people survive and propagate more ignorant offspring????? Lol

[Fcastle357]

Come on Euro... take more things literally and try to make the OP look bad. Second time you do this to me you garbage can.

Garbage can. Nice. Made my night. I'm off to bed.

[brazuka]

You child

[Java Man]

Lol. Some kids just watch wayuy too much tv. Just don't understand theory vs reality. The law is youre being detained and I'm going to break your window. Lol classic!

[austinite]

Lol. Some kids just watch wayuy too much tv. Just don't understand theory vs reality. The law is youre being detained and I'm going to break your window. Lol classic!

Yup. once an officer announces that you're being detained, it's over. Fighting that will get you nowhere real fast.

[Metalject]

So you can destroy someone's property because you're a police officer just because they're getting on your nerves even though they're breaking no law whatsoever? Was the girl annoying? Maybe a little, but austinite is right, there is no law nor reason why you have to roll your window all the way down.

People wonder why many people cannot stand cops, and the answer is videos like that. Sure, maybe she could have been a little more cooperative, but she wasn't doing anything wrong. Secondly, a lot of black people already have a strong mistrust for police officers, right or wrong she more than likely felt that way. Just a thought, obviously not provable without being inside her head.

But the biggest reason people have a problem with the way the police behave is that they continually use their what's supposed to be very limited authority in over exaggerated ways.

[Metalject]

Right!?! I just don't get some people - and the next thing you know she'll be claiming it was racially provoked. No, you were being a stupid biatch. Color had nothing to do with it. I would have done the same if she was black, white, yellow, green, or a rainbow of colors.

I'm starting to question Darwin's theory of natural selection? How do these people survive and propagate more ignorant offspring????? Lol

Again, she didn't break the law. And maybe godfather can verify this, if you're being arrested you have to be told specifically why, you cannot just be arrested. If you're being detained, I would assume you need to be told a specific reason why. Saying a traffic violation isn't a reason, that's a generalization. But I could be wrong about that. However, if he's detaining her on the basis of her not rolling her window all the way down, he was in the wrong.

[ppwc1985]

She did break the law, why you think she was pulled over. Just because it's a traffic infraction it's still breaking the law. He has the right to detain her, she could have been hiding a bomb in the car and that's why she didn't want to roll the window down. Even if you don't like po, when you are pulled over you need to listen to instructions and follow them, that is the law and it's for the po protection. Dam all he asked was to roll her window down.

[Java Man]

They can detain a person for just about any reason too. Odds are if I look around hard enough I will find something about you or your vehicle that is on the books and at least an infraction. Give them a reason and they start looking for those things. Don't give them a reason just take the ticket and cooperate with that process. Now she's going to jail for assaulting a police officer (smashing his fingers in the window), resisting arrest, maybe even charge her with just being an obstinate bitch (obstruction). 3 serious charges instead of a little ticket! Worth it? Lol. I think not

And yes, she did break the law. That's why she got pulled over.

[austinite]

forget this thread..........

[Metalject]

She did break the law, why you think she was pulled over. Just because it's a traffic infraction it's still breaking the law. He has the right to detain her, she could have been hiding a bomb in the car and that's why she didn't want to roll the window down. Even if you don't like po, when you are pulled over you need to listen to instructions and follow them, that is the law and it's for the po protection. Dam all he asked was to roll her window down.

There's no law that states you have to do everything a police officer tells you to do. If you're arrested, that changes a little but the officer still cannot tell you to do absolutely whatever he wants. And being detained for a traffic violation and arrested are two very different things. And again, there's no law about rolling your window all the way down.

I don't hate the police. I hate the abuse of power by the police. Yes, this is an extremely small example, but it's still an example. What irritates me more is how so many people have just given into it and decided police officers are rulers over the people. The same with the government, kind of how like Chris Rock said we should view the president like our dad, he's in charge, he's the boss. Personally, I think people have started to accept this kind of thinking because most have become to pathetic to think for and take care of themselves. Maybe they need to be ruled by others, if so they deserve what they get.

[austinite]

forget this thread..........

[ppwc1985]

I didn't say they were all arrestable, but they are all breaking the law. Not wearing your seatbelt is breaking the law. Speeding 1 mile over the speed limit is breaking the law.

[Java Man]

Somebody has a chip on their shoulder me thinks. I've been a citizen and I've been a cop. I don't have this debate with anyone else unless they have also been both. Theoreticians who get way too hung up on the actual letter of the law can tell it to a judge. Nobody else gives a damn. You'll spend your entire life in court with that way of thinking. But hey, on the end you may be right if a judge agrees with you. That's what's really important isn't it? Who's right? Yeah.

[Metalject]

Somebody has a chip on their shoulder me thinks. I've been a citizen and I've been a cop. I don't have this debate with anyone else unless they have also been both. Theoreticians who get way too hung up on the actual letter of the law can tell it to a judge. Nobody else gives a damn. You'll spend your entire life in court with that way of thinking. But hey, on the end you may be right if a judge agrees with you. That's what's really important isn't it? Who's right? Yeah.

If you're directing that comment at me (maybe you're not, I don't know) but the answer would be yes, maybe a little. I've been harassed by police officers more times than I care to count my entire adult life. Do I ever argue or make things more difficult than they have to be? No, I don't. If I'm pulled over my window's rolled all the way down before the officer gets to my door with my drivers license in hand.

Have you ever been pulled over and told to wait in your car while a half dozen more cop cars showed up and they made you stay in your car for three hours, never told you why and then finally told said you could go? Ever had that happen twice and never knew why?

Have you ever had an officer threaten to arrest you because you answered his question but didn't say "Yes sir" when you answered it? Not because you were being disrespectful, but you simply said yes.

Have you ever been pulled over for not wearing your seatbelt and given a ticket even though you were clearly wearing your seatbelt?

Have you ever had officers show up at your house with a warrant on a basis that held no ground whatsoever and had them trash your house like a tornado went through it, break numerous valuables, dump your eggs all over the floor, break pictures on the wall, find your girlfriends lingerie and panties and start playing with them, pulling out pictures of your girlfriend and talk about how much they want to **** her while you're sitting handcuffed on your couch? And then when it's all said and done and there was no reason for all that garbage to happen, not only is there no apology but your house is still destroyed, even your bed is broken in half and you've had a dozen plus men drooling over your fiancés pictures and one even jokingly put her panties up to his nose.

Yes, I have a chip on my shoulder.

[MuscleInk]

Again, she didn't break the law. And maybe godfather can verify this, if you're being arrested you have to be told specifically why, you cannot just be arrested. If you're being detained, I would assume you need to be told a specific reason why. Saying a traffic violation isn't a reason, that's a generalization. But I could be wrong about that. However, if he's detaining her on the basis of her not rolling her window all the way down, he was in the wrong.

Correct, however a part from being generally annoying she was being noncompliant. Some will say she has no legal obligation to roll the window down but it was a simple request and she was being belligerent. Perhaps he (the officer) could have handled the situation differently and who knows, this particular officer may be reprimanded or punished for his action. Many will assume he won't, but we don't know the aftermath of this confrontation.

For me, it's more about respect. Call it old fashioned but when an officer is asking you for a reasonable response or action, just do it for Christ sake. Are cops perfect? Of course not. I've yet to meet anyone who is with the exception of arrogant fools who think they are infallible. The officer made a simple request at a traffic stop and there were other officers on the scene. If she had simply complied, the outcome surely would have been different. WTF did she honestly expect!?! She was being uncooperative for no reason. Ok, perhaps the officer didn't clearly state the reason she was stopped and he could have been more forthcoming but many of the cop haters and bashers simply have an axe to grind and have never had to put themselves in an officer's position. Sure, there are cops who abuse their position, but show me an industry or a job where someone doesn't abuse their authority. One bad person doesn't make the entire industry corrupt but unfortunately the cases where cops over step their boundaries become so damn sensationalized that the fallacy that all cops are bad is pandemic.

I'm fairly certain the majority of people watching this video are thinking, "just roll down the f-ing window!!!!!!" I feel no empathy for her. A simple request was made. She could have been cooperative and the whole thing would have ended quickly without incident in the majority of cases.

There is no way I feel she was in the right - and that does not imply I feel the cop was right either - but a little more cooperation would have prevented the situation for escalating.

[thegodfather]

You really have to parse the video at different moments. While its true that there is no specific law on the books stating that you have to roll your window down all the way, the courts have traditionally given the officers a wide degree of latitude during detentions for the purpose of officer safety. What complicates the matter with the window in this case, is that we are talking about a case in a state where the suspect is required to sign the ticket, this is not the case in other states. For this reason, the officer felt he could order the window be rolled all the way down. While technically not a law, we always say "You argue cases in a courtroom not on the side of the road." This means, that you should always obey ANY lawful orders from a police officer, even if they are not in fact per say 'lawful,' or are not based on any specific law. There is always much less to gain from disobeying an order, and had there not been video from the officer, she would likely be facing many more fabricated charges.

So here is where we need to examine the video.

I. Within her rights to refuse rolling down the window, as it is not a law.

II. Officer asks her to step out of the vehicle. He can ask the occupant to exit the vehicle under a ruling similar to Terry v. Ohio, where the officer is permitted to perform an open palm pat down of the outside of a suspects clothing for the purpose of officer safety. During a motor vehicle stop he can order the occupant from the vehicle for his safety. At the point that she disobeyed this lawful order, she was breaking the law.

III. He broke the window not because she refused to roll it down, but rather because he ordered her to exit the vehicle and she refused. He actually showed in my opinion, a great deal of restraint in not breaking the window and ripping her from the vehicle MUCH EARLIER.

IV. She was being 'detained,' the entire time that she was stopped. You cannot refuse to exit the vehicle when its a lawful order, she was not asked. It became an arrestable offense at the point which she obstructed the official duties of a law enforcement officer. It was not however resisting arrest, as the law is quite clear, for someone to be under arrest the officer must utter the words "YOU'RE UNDER ARREST," and without that, a person cannot be charged with resisting arrest, as they cannot possibly be aware that the officer is attempting to arrest them.

Overall, this chick handled this encounter very poorly, and the officer handled it rather well. Anyone who knows me, knows that I usually give much more deference to the citizen over the officer, but in this case, she was wrong for disobeying a lawful order, but it had NOTHING to do with rolling her window down or not.