OBama Care

**Fcastle357** · 10-20-2013, 09:00 PM

Just wait until people with government health care are forced to take exams and medicine to stay on the program.

**lovbyts** · 10-20-2013, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Brett N

@lovbyts - No, it's not about misery loves company at all. It's about doing something, anything to help reign in the prices of healthcare. A blue collar worker that makes under $50k a year should be able to provide health benefits for his children that don't cost more than housing and feeding them.

Also, when you say my healthcare system...are you not in the United States? The healthcare system is a whole here, it is all intertwined. My insurance company already dictates if I can have an MRI and where I need to go to visit a doctor. They also tell me what meds they will cover and if I want a specific brand it costs me more. I also have to get pre approval on any surgery that is not needed by being life threatening - this includes rotator cuff surgery which I needed so I could go to work. How will this new system be any different?

Well your healthcare is a lot different than mine and yes I'm in the US. I go to the doctor and if I need an xray it's done in 5 minutes. MRI is usually 1-2 days. If I dont want a certain prescription I tell my doctor and he/she changes it within reason.

I had rotator cuff surgery just over a year ago. I chose my doctor, not my insurance. I have a friend who is on government provided insurance. It took him 4 years before he was able to get much needed knee surgery and by that time it was so bad he had to have a complete knee replacement. As he puts it everything is life or limb. They wont do anything unless your life depends on it.

Sorry but I dont think everyone should have or deserves the exact same coverage, health care just as everyone does not deserve to drive the same car, own the same house or eat the same foods. Some things in life need to be earned and some of us look at them as incentives to do better for ourselves.

If you are not happy with what you have then find a way to improve it without expecting someone else to pay for it.

Yes there needs to be exceptions such as cancer or other life threatening diseases where people should not have to loose everything they have worked for just to get treatment but I may get threatment with a private nurse 24/7 and eat gourmet meals when I am at the hospital and you may only get cheese and crackers depending on what kind of coverage you have. Bottom line is it's not all equal and should not be otherwise there is not incentive for anyone to do better.

The difference is it's going to suck for most everyone now like it does in many other countries where it takes weeks or months to get simple things like xray, mri or prescriptions approve. Weeks to get into see a doctor instead of hours or a day or two and the prices will not go down but continue to go out.

**lovbyts** · 10-20-2013, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by Brett N

You kind of covered that comment in both of your posts but that's cool. Nothing personal taken.

I haven't planned a cycle because I have not done one. I haven't read more into the affordable healthcare act more because as of right now, it doesn't apply to members of collective bargaining agreements. (unions)

I am not pro or anti of obamacare. I am for healthcare reform though. I have never used medicaid so I cannot comment on it. Nor, have I used any government assistance and hopefully I will not have to. I have been fortunate enough where I have been able to make ends meet one way or another.

I just know that for every administration, there is always something where people can point fingers and pass judgement without knowing most of the facts. I am guilty of this also. Did it with Bush Jr, Clinton, Bush Sr. Nothing has changed, just the blame that's being directed to a different name.

Honestly, I think the parties like it that way. I think they like us arguing among ourselves and keeping busy being occupied by stuff that at the end of the day doesn't amount to anything .

I think all government is corrupt here, all sides. Agreed 100%
Do I think this so called Obamacare will affect my life, No. Not in the least. I think this is just the new "thing" presented to us for us to worry about. It will pass and then they will present us with another new thing to argue about. Disagree. I think it will affect you and a large majority of the working class.

At the end of the day, people without insurance and without money aren't going to pay a penny for medical. They will go to the emergency room for everything from a sore throat to arthritis. They always will. But, I think this will force the WalMarts of the country to offer healthcare to their employees instead of only giving them enough hours to not be full time.

Will this raise prices, probably. Then, I will continue going to my mom and pop grocer who isn't a huge chain and buy the stuff I always buy at the regular price there.

In red above.

**bass** · 11-21-2013, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by songdog

Well I aint going to go in dept on this.But just read wat it is about and it isn't good.Starts out at $30.00 a month per person.And if you have a lot of medical problems.Well it will go up.And the lie about you can keep your present coverage.Well that isn't true either.I can see why he didn't make his cohorts have it.Beacuse they know it sucks and would've voted it in if they had too.Well you Obama lovers did it now enjoy this mess up.

well just had our annual meeting and the attorney and accountant said once our current health insurance is up for renewal (which is in less than a year) it will automatically get canceled whether we like it or not. yes the thug Obama simply lied! and our healthcare agent did some calculations and my premium with obamacare is going to be over $500 more each month.

I guess if you are one of those who live on government hand out (thieves) you got it made, but not for those of us who work for a living!

**Hazard** · 11-21-2013, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by bass

well just had our annual meeting and the attorney and accountant said once our current health insurance is up for renewal (which is in less than a year) it will automatically get canceled whether we like it or not. yes the thug Obama simply lied! and our healthcare agent did some calculations and my premium with obamacare is going to be over $500 more each month.

I guess if you are one of those who live on government hand out (thieves) you got it made, but not for those of us who work for a living!

Been sayin this for years and all anyone said was "It won't affect me"

If everyone did the math when he introduced the idea they woulda known it wasn't possible without getting I'd of most private insurance

**bass** · 11-21-2013, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

Been sayin this for years and all anyone said was "It won't affect me"

If everyone did the math when he introduced the idea they woulda known it wasn't possible without getting I'd of most private insurance

I saw it coming too Haz, unfortunately I have no power to stop on my own. but posted this just to add more evidence to the comments made by the opposition, it has come to reality. Obama the thug has only one thing on his mind for this country, is to bring it down to it's knees, and sadly is succeeding.

**Hazard** · 11-21-2013, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by bass

I saw it coming too Haz, unfortunately I have no power to stop on my own. but posted this just to add more evidence to the comments made by the opposition, it has come to reality. Obama the thug has only one thing on his mind for this country, is to bring it down to it's knees, and sadly is succeeding.

His approval rating is the same as bush and Droppin fast lol

**lovbyts** · 11-25-2013, 02:45 AM

Remember me saying I though he would try to do this a while back?
H.J.Res. 15: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment.....
thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hjres15

**APIs** · 11-25-2013, 03:01 PM

I am self employed & insured through a small business plan in my State offered through United/Oxford. The monthly Health Insurance premiums for my business are raising by over 23% starting Dec 1, 2013. Received a notice 2 weeks ago that starting Jan 1, 2014 the monthly rate will increase by another $20 per month and oh yeah, Oxford is also dropping our current plan all together. The new replacement plan will be one tier lower in quality & my yearly deductable has increased by $300.00 and the majority of office copays will now double in cost. Don't believe everything you're hearing on the news folks...

**Hazard** · 11-25-2013, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by APIs

I am self employed & insured through a small business plan in my State offered through United/Oxford. The monthly Health Insurance premiums for my business are raising by over 23% starting Dec 1, 2013. Received a notice 2 weeks ago that starting Jan 1, 2014 the monthly rate will increase by another $20 per month and oh yeah, Oxford is also dropping our current plan all together. The new replacement plan will be one tier lower in quality & my yearly deductable has increased by $300.00 and the majority of office copays will now double in cost. Don't believe everything you're hearing on the news folks...

Lol most news stations are now against it and are looking for a fix

**tmfsd** · 11-25-2013, 08:36 PM

So messed up what is happening. And just in case you believe all the liars saying that ppl didn't like their plans anyway, my plan was pretty bloody awesome and it will cease to exist come Jan 1.

**lovbyts** · 11-25-2013, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

Lol most news stations are now against it and are looking for a fix

Originally Posted by tmfsd

So messed up what is happening. And just in case you believe all the liars saying that ppl didn't like their plans anyway, my plan was pretty bloody awesome and it will cease to exist come Jan 1.

It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, if ever. The only reason they delayed it was so it's after the next election before people get the full effect of the sticker shock. By then there will be 3x the number of uninsured compared to now also.

**Hazard** · 11-25-2013, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, if ever. The only reason they delayed it was so it's after the next election before people get the full effect of the sticker shock. By then there will be 3x the number of uninsured compared to now also.

Yup..... Heard that

**austinite** · 11-25-2013, 10:35 PM

Question.

Is Obama still the president?

**lovbyts** · 11-25-2013, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Question.

Is Obama still the president?

Figuratively.

**austinite** · 11-25-2013, 10:37 PM

Man. I need to watch the news.

**Black** · 11-26-2013, 06:50 AM

That government really grinds my gears.

**APIs** · 11-26-2013, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Hazard

Lol most news stations are now against it and are looking for a fix

If you listen carefully, they're still trying to put a positive spin on it regardless of the problems now coming to light....

**Metalject** · 11-27-2013, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Man. I need to watch the news.

I'm not sure if your comment is serious or sarcastic but I do not understand how most people ignore the news and pretend it doesn't affect their lives or that there's nothing they can do about it. I'm not saying that's you, I have no idea. I'm speaking generally.

**austinite** · 11-27-2013, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

I'm not sure if your comment is serious or sarcastic but I do not understand how most people ignore the news and pretend it doesn't affect their lives or that there's nothing they can do about it. I'm not saying that's you, I have no idea. I'm speaking generally.

lol... Happy '1st day' birthday, brother.

**Hazard** · 11-27-2013, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by APIs

If you listen carefully, they're still trying to put a positive spin on it regardless of the problems now coming to light....

I guess it depends who you watch. Fox News is bashing the shit out of it. CNN used to be for obamacare but their reporting is now primarily how it's not working how it was intended.

**bass** · 11-27-2013, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

I'm not sure if your comment is serious or sarcastic but I do not understand how most people ignore the news and pretend it doesn't affect their lives or that there's nothing they can do about it. I'm not saying that's you, I have no idea. I'm speaking generally.

I don't listen to new to get peace of mind. when Obama took office I prepared myself for the worst, mentally, so when I get back to listening to news I won't be shocked or disappointed. to be honest the last best president the democrats had before the liberals/socialists took over the party was JFK.