Wish Modern BBérs Aspired to this Look

[kelkel]

See what you started Jimmy!

[kelkel]

Jeff Seid is still young and has a lot of room for growth. I guess I'm a little partial towards him since my daughter did a photo shoot with him.

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No shit?

[lovbyts]

No shit?

Have I ever lied?

[kelkel]

Have I ever lied?

Nice!

[Fllifter]

Don't know but I'd bet those stats are padded. If he's 230 then I'm 290. Yes, he's lean and ripped but there's absolutely no muscular size there. None. Anyone can diet off the fat.

You haven't sold me yet! Keep trying. I like this discussion.

Agreed that guy has no where near the muscular maturity / mass Arnold once had.

[Cuz]

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Mens Physique IFBB Pro - Cory Lagasse 6' 4" 230. Two inches taller and 5lbs lighter

Not 230lbs of mass there. I'm 2 inches shorter and a lot fatter...not ever have I weighed 230. I could believe 215.

[evander87]

You haven't sold me yet! Keep trying. I like this discussion.

It is enjoyable.

Here's my thought process I love the look of old school Arny and Zane. Bodybuilding got perverted into building a hulking mass and it's not very pleasing to the eye IMHO. IFBB wants to grow their sport so they bring about the Men Physique to have the "beach body" What does that mean? good damn question. I've seen some guys get lower placements because they were too big, out of proportion, to lean etc. Right now there is no standard in what that look is to be but they know they don't want freakish looks such that body building has grown into.


So if Arny or Zane took the stage today against Heath, Cutler, Green etc they would get blown away because they are not those monsters. So drop them into the Physique class (btw that competes at heights instead of weight) and I'd be those two would dominate. And with the rules changing soon, box shorts instead of board shorts I think the IFBB is going to be looking more for bodies like that of Arny and Zane.

[kelkel]

It is enjoyable.

Here's my thought process I love the look of old school Arny and Zane. Bodybuilding got perverted into building a hulking mass and it's not very pleasing to the eye IMHO. IFBB wants to grow their sport so they bring about the Men Physique to have the "beach body" What does that mean? good damn question. I've seen some guys get lower placements because they were too big, out of proportion, to lean etc. Right now there is no standard in what that look is to be but they know they don't want freakish looks such that body building has grown into.

Agree. It's new and standards need to evolve.


So if Arny or Zane took the stage today against Heath, Cutler, Green etc they would get blown away because they are not those monsters. So drop them into the Physique class (btw that competes at heights instead of weight) and I'd be those two would dominate. And with the rules changing soon, box shorts instead of board shorts I think the IFBB is going to be looking more for bodies like that of Arny and Zane.

Still think they'd be totally out of place in physique. I don't think the IFBB will let the physique class develop into looking like full blown BB'ers, even if looking like they're from the Arnold and Zane era. There needs to be a distinction.

[evander87]

Still think they'd be totally out of place in physique. I don't think the IFBB will let the physique class develop into looking like full blown BB'ers, even if looking like they're from the Arnold and Zane era. There needs to be a distinction.

You may or may not be correct with that. The physique judges are a fickle bunch. I have a buddy that's been competing most of his life in BBing. He's 6' 6" and will step on stage 240-245 and he looks small compared to a guy thats 6" 230. He's always coming in third or worse. One show he had an injury that kept him from getting as peeled as he does for BBing so he one time and one time only took the stage in Physique and he walked away with a sword. lol

I have friends that say I should compete. I'm 6' 4" 240 at 10% If i cut down to 230 for a show I'll look freaking small compared to other heavyweights. I could do physique but damnit I work my legs. lol

Honestly outside of bringing back the vacuum pose as a mandatory to eliminate the igf, hgh, tortoise shell belly I think they should switch over to height classes in BBing instead of weight. A guy 5' 10" at 230 is always going to look like a bigger thicker beast than a 6' 2" 235 body builder. Funny how long muscles are a curse on stage.

Great discussion Kel. Way to keep the personal jabs out of an hypothetical conversation.

[Igifuno]

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Mens Physique IFBB Pro - Cory Lagasse 6' 4" 230. Two inches taller and 5lbs lighter

Not sold either.. by a long shot. He looks far from Arnold's league.. not even close.

Jeff Seid is still young and has a lot of room for growth. I guess I'm a little partial towards him since my daughter did a photo shoot with him.

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lov I've told you before, and tellin' you again, your daughter is an absolute beauty. Thank god she looks like her mom

[Back In Black]

There's a category in the UK called 'Classic Bodybuilding' where guys are limited to their weight based on their height. Does this exist in the States?

[kelkel]

You may or may not be correct with that. The physique judges are a fickle bunch. I have a buddy that's been competing most of his life in BBing. He's 6' 6" and will step on stage 240-245 and he looks small compared to a guy thats 6" 230. He's always coming in third or worse. One show he had an injury that kept him from getting as peeled as he does for BBing so he one time and one time only took the stage in Physique and he walked away with a sword. lol

I have friends that say I should compete. I'm 6' 4" 240 at 10% If i cut down to 230 for a show I'll look freaking small compared to other heavyweights. I could do physique but damnit I work my legs. lol

Honestly outside of bringing back the vacuum pose as a mandatory to eliminate the igf, hgh, tortoise shell belly I think they should switch over to height classes in BBing instead of weight. A guy 5' 10" at 230 is always going to look like a bigger thicker beast than a 6' 2" 235 body builder. Funny how long muscles are a curse on stage.

Great discussion Kel. Way to keep the personal jabs out of an hypothetical conversation.

Funny, a friend of mine and former successful amateur BB-er, now trainer, entered a physique contest. He was much thinner than in competitive days but was still told he was "to muscular" so yes, it's gotta evolve.

Vacuum pose? A lost art. Arnold, Zane were great at it and remember Brian Buchanan? His was awesome with such a small waist. And yes, the taller you are the tougher it is, but when completely filled out it's a killer look. 6'4 and 240 is impressive stats evander.

Good discussion as well. Never a reason to take personal shots at a quality member.

[kelkel]

There's a category in the UK called 'Classic Bodybuilding' where guys are limited to their weight based on their height. Does this exist in the States?

Not that I'm aware of but I like it. If possible, post up the weight/height categories. I'd be interested in seeing them.

[Back In Black]

Not that I'm aware of but I like it. If possible, post up the weight/height categories. I'd be interested in seeing them.

Here you go. They are in kg's so multiply that number by 2.2 to get lbs. somebody who is 5'11 (180cm) can be a maximum of 189lbs.

- UP TO AND INCLUDING 168 CM CATEGORY: maximum body weight = body height [cm] minus 100
(Example: A competitor, who is 167 cm tall, may weigh a maximum of 67 kg)

- UP TO AND INCLUDING 171 CM CATEGORY:
maximum body weight = body height [cm] minus 100 + 2 kg
(Example: A competitor, who is 170 cm tall, may weigh a maximum of 72 kg)
- UP TO AND INCLUDING 175 CM CATEGORY:

maximum body weight = body height [cm] minus 100 + 4 kg
(Example: A competitor, who is 174 cm tall, may weigh not more than 78 kg)
- UP TO AND INCLUDING 180 CM CATEGORY

maximum body weight = body height [cm] minus 100 + 6 kg
(Example: A competitor, who is 180 cm tall, may weigh not more than 86 kg)

- OVER 180 CM CATEGORY (this category has 3 sub height/weight)
180 – 190 cm = body height [cm] minus 100 + 8 kg (i.e. height 189 cm max. weight 89 + 8 = 97 kg)
190 – 198 cm = minus 100 + 9 kg
(i.e. height 197 cm max. weight 97 + 9 = 106 kg)
Over 198 cm = minus 100 + 10 kg
(i.e. height 204 cm max. weight 104 + 10 = 114 kg)

[kelkel]

Thanks BIB!

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i won my pro card from overall too while in light heavy weight, Other then heavy weights being groomed for Mr.o down the road, a lot of hw's at shows are never in great contest shape. bloated, flat muscles and hamms not shredded.

ur a pro BB'er now mock?? what contest did u win to earn this card?

i have a kinda friend from work who won at the National Physique Committee Ga BB championships and went to nationals to try to get his pro card and didnt even place.

how long ago did u turn pro? lets see some pics man.. u mustve come a long way ..

[Metalject]

There's something that many people have a time understanding when it comes to competitive bodybuilding.

It's not a contest to see who's the best looking guy.
It's not a contest to see who has the physique the general public would aspire to have.

It has nothing to do with either one of those things. If it were about those things, tons of guys could step on stage at 190lbs and 8-9%bf and be competitive. It would be even more boring than it already is. It would simply be a Mr. America pageant.

If bodybuilding were like the pageant many seem to want, it would be like a NASCAR even where everyone drove a nice but not absurd luxury car around the track at no more than 90mph. And guess what? Still no one would watch.

[Back In Black]

ur a pro BB'er now mock?? what contest did u win to earn this card?

i have a kinda friend from work who won at the National Physique Committee Ga BB championships and went to nationals to try to get his pro card and didnt even place.

how long ago did u turn pro? lets see some pics man.. u mustve come a long way ..

Don't fall for it mate. He was light heavy tiddlywinks winks champion 2007.

[--->>405<<---]

i won my pro card from overall too while in light heavy weight,

Don't fall for it mate. He was light heavy tiddlywinks winks champion 2007.

i am trying to give him the benefit of the serious doubt. in any event just so i have this straight:

07-05-2012, 12:40 AM
33 male, 91 kgs (22-23% bf / 155LBM) body recomp Carb Cycling and fasting program (16/8)
Goal: cut to 10% bf

big time goal 200lbs 10% bf, on cycle 220lbs10-14% bf

12-15-2013, 09:02 PM
100.9 kilos
14.9% bf
82.9kgs LBM
height: 178 cm

12-15-2013, 09:19 PM
Its been a good journey for 17 months from 91kgs (22%bf / 155LBM) I suppose ive nearly hit my goal, just need to diet down for 16-18 weeks and i am there. The stupid part is i dont see any difference now then from 17 months ago. What a mental mind ****.

it would seem turning pro would be cause to describe it as a GREAT journey??

12-14-2013, 04:38 PM
I suppose when i am content with where i am at body comp wise, i will just train an hour 3x a week for maintenance and well being. Much like you 405 and gbrice i got into this game in my 30's and missed out on the easy gain and recovery years.

so basically mockery you are saying u went from a fat ass 30 something (like i was 2 yrs ago) to a pro BB'er in less than 17 months..

now i see why u only had very limited time to show up in here periodically to make your antagonistic remarks.. u were a busy fellow!

[AD]

Cmon guys. It's entirely possible. It's really not that hard to become a pro BBer. You know what's really hard? To become a pro WWF wrestler. Now that would be impossible to do in 17 months. Takes at least 18.

[Igifuno]

Cmon guys. It's entirely possible. It's really not that hard to become a pro BBer. You know what's really hard? To become a pro WWF wrestler. Now that would be impossible to do in 17 months. Takes at least 18.

You know you're over 35 if you still call it WWF. I'm guilty as well.

[--->>405<<---]

You know you're over 35 if you still call it WWF. I'm guilty as well.

what is it now??

talk about old? i got old for you..






^^this is the rasslin' i grew up with (as did you im sure)

[Igifuno]

what is it now?? talk about old? i got old for you.. ^^this is the rasslin' i grew up with (as did you im sure)

Now it's WWE, for many years now. Those were the same guys I grew up with!! I used to run around with a 2x4 and pretend I was Hacksaw. Lol

[Back In Black]

This was what I grew up with

[--->>405<<---]

who were those dudes BIB??

[Back In Black]

Big Daddy & Giant Haystacks. Biggest crowd pullers in the 70's in the UK.

[Cuz]

That's one big son of a bitch

Well guys I've give up on bodybuilding....just maybe I can go into physique after I gain about 15lbs lbm...damn. dreams were crushed today.

Hey mock. Give me some advice man cmon anything it doesn't matter.

[Igifuno]

That's one big son of a bitch Well guys I've give up on bodybuilding....just maybe I can go into physique after I gain about 15lbs lbm...damn. dreams were crushed today. Hey mock. Give me some advice man cmon anything it doesn't matter.

What dude? Why what happened?

[Igifuno]

Big Daddy & Giant Haystacks. Biggest crowd pullers in the 70's in the UK.

Nice... They look like bad ass mofos.

[evander87]

There's something that many people have a time understanding when it comes to competitive bodybuilding.

It's not a contest to see who's the best looking guy.
It's not a contest to see who has the physique the general public would aspire to have.

It has nothing to do with either one of those things. If it were about those things, tons of guys could step on stage at 190lbs and 8-9%bf and be competitive. It would be even more boring than it already is. It would simply be a Mr. America pageant.

If bodybuilding were like the pageant many seem to want, it would be like a NASCAR even where everyone drove a nice but not absurd luxury car around the track at no more than 90mph. And guess what? Still no one would watch.

You are correct with he spirit of the sport but there is the business side too. After Arnold and the "Golden Days" of BB the sport went into decline. The IFBB needed to attract new people and make for broader appeal. Hence both mens and women's physique, women's bikini, dropping women's BBing and adding "fitness pole dancing" or whatever they are calling it.


You want to talk about pageants? Look into the WBFF, quickly becoming a competitor of the IFBB in drawing athletes.

[mockery]

i did the same thing as Kevin Levon dieted up to a show and won, Im pretty much amazing

[mockery]

the hardest part about being so amazing is with a pro card you cant compete on the regular circuit any more and the pro circuit is full of freaks and the yearly membership is a lot more. hardly was worth it.

[mockery]

But not to worry AD, ill still give free advice to you regardless of what i charge at work. For the sake of brothers in iron, i got your back.

[Cuz]

[ickythump]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yJrkUBQvkOY

I agree with OP, and I like this kid, we'll see what he does I only know this video but I like his goals

Calum von Monger

[AD]

But not to worry AD, ill still give free advice to you regardless of what i charge at work. For the sake of brothers in iron, i got your back.

thanks pal!

let me see, what question will suit your level of qualification...

ok... what shoes should i wear to the gym? the black ones or the blue ones?

when i say black, i mean black

and blue, means blue

got it?

[Sgt. Hartman]

i did the same thing as Kevin Levon dieted up to a show and won, Im pretty much amazing

Lmfao what did you do get breast implants and enter female physique?

[Cuz]

Did you mean "Kevin Levrone" ? I don't know of a Kevin Levon? Sorry if I sound stupid.

[Metalject]

You are correct with he spirit of the sport but there is the business side too. After Arnold and the "Golden Days" of BB the sport went into decline. The IFBB needed to attract new people and make for broader appeal. Hence both mens and women's physique, women's bikini, dropping women's BBing and adding "fitness pole dancing" or whatever they are calling it.


You want to talk about pageants? Look into the WBFF, quickly becoming a competitor of the IFBB in drawing athletes.

The heyday of bodybuilding was actually the 90's through early 2000's. That's when it was on TV, there were pro bodybuilders that had their own workout shows on TV, ESPN covered it and the Olympia was packed. You had stacked lineups, Dorian, Gaspari, Nasar, Levrone, Ray, Wheeler, Titus, Matarazzo, Ruhl, Gunter and then Coleman....on and on and on and on.

Now the Arnold era or Golden Age of Bodybuilding, that's what first brought real attention to bodybuilding, but the 90's and early 2000's is the pinnacle of pro bodybuilding's success. From there it's been a rapid devastating downward spiral. Sure, there's some big names but no one and I mean no one really cares. Now the modern era, that's the dominating era of the supplement companies. That's all bodybuilding is any more.

[Back In Black]

Come on Mockery how about you repost those photos that you put up in your thread last month and then took down 5 minutes later.

Come on champ, waiting.......