Results 1 to 16 of 16
Like Tree6Likes
  • 3 Post By austinite
  • 1 Post By JJ78
  • 1 Post By uhit
  • 1 Post By Times Roman

Thread: After 27 Years: No Deaths from Vitamins, 3 Million from Prescription Drugs

  1. #1
    austinite's Avatar
    austinite is offline HRT Specialist ~ AR-Platinum Elite-Hall of Famer ~
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Cialis, Texas
    Posts
    31,169

    After 27 Years: No Deaths from Vitamins, 3 Million from Prescription Drugs

    Over the past 27 years — the complete timeframe that the data has been available — there have been 0 deaths as a result of vitamins and over 3 million deaths related to prescription drug use in the USA alone. In fact, going back 54 years there have only been 11 claims of vitamin-related death, all of which provided no substantial evidence to link vitamins to the cause of death. The news comes after a recent statistically analysis found that pharmaceutical drug deaths now outnumber traffic fatalities in the US.


    In 2009, drugs exceeded the amount of traffic-related deaths, killing at least 37,485 people nationwide.




    The findings go against the claims of mainstream medical ‘experts’ and mainstream media outlets who often push the idea that multivitamins are detrimental to your health, and that prescription drugs are the only science-backed option to improving your health. While essential nutrients like vitamin D are continually being shown to slash your risk of disease such as diabetes and cancer, prescription pharmaceuticals are continually being linked to such conditions. In fact, the top-selling therapeutic class pharmaceutical drug has been tied to the development of diabetes and even suicide, and whistleblowers are just now starting to speak out despite studies as far back as the 80s highlighting the risks.


    Mainstream medical health officials were recently forced to speak out over the danger of antipsychotic drugs, which millions of children have been prescribed since 2009. U.S. pediatric health advisers blew the whistle over the fact that these pharmaceuticals can lead to diabetes and even suicide, the very thing they aim to prevent. What is even more troubling is that half of all Americans will be diagnosed with a mental condition during their lifetime thanks to lack of diagnosis guidelines currently set by the medical establishment, of which many cases will lead to the prescription of antipsychotics and other similar medications.


    Covering up the side effects


    In order to protect sales, the link between suicide and antipsychotic drugs was completely covered up by Eli Lilly & Co, the makers of Prozac. Despite research stretching as far back as the 1980s finding that Prozac actually leads to suicide, the company managed to hide the evidence until a Harvard psychiatrist leaked the information into the press. The psychiatrist, Martin Teicher, stated that the American people were being treated like guinea pigs in a massive pharmaceutical experiment.


    Greedy and oftentimes prescription-happy doctors are handing out antipsychotic medication like candy to adults and young children alike. In 2008, antipsychotics became the top-selling therapeutic class prescription drug in the United States and grossing over $14 billion in sales.


    Antipsychotic drugs are not the only dangerous pharmaceuticals. The average drug label contains 70 side effects, though many popular pharmaceuticals have been found to contain 100 to 125. Some drugs, prescribed by doctors to supposedly improve your health, come with over 525 negative reactions.


    Ritalin, for example, has been linked to conditions including:


    Increased blood pressure
    Increased heart rate
    Increased body temperature
    Increased alertness
    Suppressed appetite
    Perhaps the hundreds of negative side effects is part of the reason why the FDA announced last year that it is pulling more than 500 cold and allergy off the market due to health concerns. Prescription drugs kill more people than traffic accidents, and come with up to 525 negative side effects. Avoiding these drugs and utilizing high quality organic alternatives like whole food-based multivitamins and green superfoods will lead to a total health transformation without harsh side effects and an exponentially increased death risk.

    source: After 27 Years: No Deaths from Vitamins, 3 Million from Prescription Drugs | Wake Up World
    ~ PLEASE DO NOT ASK FOR SOURCE CHECKS ~

    "It's human nature in a 'more is better' society full of a younger generation that expects instant gratification, then complain when they don't get it. The problem will get far worse before it gets better". ~ kelkel

  2. #2
    kelkel's Avatar
    kelkel is offline HRT Specialist ~ AR-Platinum Elite-Hall of Famer ~ No Source Checks
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    East Coast Dungeon
    Posts
    30,122
    That's it! I'm flushing all my prescription drugs.

    Neat find. Lose the curlers.
    -*- NO SOURCE CHECKS -*-

  3. #3
    austinite's Avatar
    austinite is offline HRT Specialist ~ AR-Platinum Elite-Hall of Famer ~
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Cialis, Texas
    Posts
    31,169
    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    That's it! I'm flushing all my prescription drugs.

    Neat find. Lose the curlers.
    Curlers come off tomorrow. Send me all your Sermorelin. And oh... Sermorelin/GHRP2 is doing A-OK so far. Never thought sleep could be so great. I love my doc.
    ~ PLEASE DO NOT ASK FOR SOURCE CHECKS ~

    "It's human nature in a 'more is better' society full of a younger generation that expects instant gratification, then complain when they don't get it. The problem will get far worse before it gets better". ~ kelkel

  4. #4
    Deal Me In's Avatar
    Deal Me In is offline Member
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    600
    I don't have children so it's hard for me put myself in that situation. But I don't think I would give my kid anything that listed "suicide" as possible side effect.

  5. #5
    lovbyts's Avatar
    lovbyts is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    30,268
    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Curlers come off tomorrow. Send me all your Sermorelin. And oh... Sermorelin/GHRP2 is doing A-OK so far. Never thought sleep could be so great. I love my doc.
    Time to start a new thread on this I think. More information needed. I'm always looking for a way to get half way decent sleep mostly do to working 3rd shift 1/2 the week.

    I'm glad they covered the anti depression meds. It's to bad human life can be bought so easily.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deal Me In View Post
    I don't have children so it's hard for me put myself in that situation. But I don't think I would give my kid anything that listed "suicide" as possible side effect.
    It's amazing how many doctors want to prescribe anti depressants to kids now days. They tried with my daughter after her step mom died and I refused saying it's good to be able to feel the emotions, that's how we learn to cope with them and enjoy life more. Now that she is older they tried to give her some for anxiety and she refused them also.

    There are a small percentage of people who need them but it's 1/100th of the number who are prescribed IMO.
    Last edited by lovbyts; 10-05-2014 at 11:17 PM.

  6. #6
    JJ78 is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    The Beach
    Posts
    1,524
    0 from the herb ever.
    Docd187123 likes this.

  7. #7
    thegodfather's Avatar
    thegodfather is offline Dulce bellum inexpertis
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Middle East
    Posts
    3,511
    What a mixed bag you've opened with this thread.

    1) Most suicides related to anti-depressants are due to the fact that those people are in such a depressed state, they lack the motivation to end their lives. The drugs in fact, bring them out of this depressive state, and it's during the period when the drugs are taking effect, but not to full capacity, that the danger of suicide is greatest. Giving them enough motivation to kill themselves, but not enough to be in a non-depressed state. With that said, I think these drugs are GROSSLY over prescribed, prescribed too often for things which are everyday life ills, and should be used as cautiously as we use any other dangerous drug. The real downfall for these drugs came during the late 90s early 2000s with the push for Family Medicine practitioners to be able to prescribe these powerful drugs, which they are certainly not qualified to do. Additionally, since no test exists to find our which specific neurotransmitter is causing the illness (Serotonin, Norepinephrine, etc), the doctor is forced to play a game of trial by fire with your brain. These drugs DO have a purpose, as there are cases that simply cannot be treated any other way, but these are not what you go hop on because your wife left you, your girlfriend cheated on you, or you lost your job. These drugs are for people with PHYSIOLOGICAL defects in the way their brain consumes neurotransmitters.

    2) The two most prolific instances of drug over prescription in the last decade have been with regard to anti-depressant drugs and opoid pain killers. Both Eli Lily and PURDUE were extremely deceptive in marketing these drugs as safe. In the first instance, marketing anti-depressants directly to consumers, and encouraging them to ask their doctors about XYZ drug. Highly unethical behavior, and I'm glad its been banned. Your doctor prescribes you drugs, not the other way around. In the latter case, PURDUE marketed Oxycontin to doctors as a less addictive drug, that was 'SAFE' to prescribe for chronic pain. Prior to 1996-98, chronic pain had NEVER been treated with opoid painkillers, and they were reserved for ACUTE PAIN/POST-OPERATIVE PAIN/&END OF LIFE PALLIATIVE CARE. This is why there was a $500BN USD judgement against them.

    With all of that being said, there is a legitimate place in medicine for both classes of drugs mentioned. The issue comes in how we are training our doctors to calculate RISK vs. REWARD, as there are always risks when you take ANY drug. I think both classes of drugs are going through what Barbituates went through in the 60s/70s, they are viewed as the drug to use for everything, are massively over prescribed, and we end up with swaths of people dependent on them. I think the issue will self-correct in a couple of years, or at least I hope it will.

  8. #8
    lovbyts's Avatar
    lovbyts is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    30,268
    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    What a mixed bag you've opened with this thread.

    1) Most suicides related to anti-depressants are due to the fact that those people are in such a depressed state, they lack the motivation to end their lives. The drugs in fact, bring them out of this depressive state, and it's during the period when the drugs are taking effect, but not to full capacity, that the danger of suicide is greatest. Giving them enough motivation to kill themselves, but not enough to be in a non-depressed state. With that said, I think these drugs are GROSSLY over prescribed, prescribed too often for things which are everyday life ills, and should be used as cautiously as we use any other dangerous drug. The real downfall for these drugs came during the late 90s early 2000s with the push for Family Medicine practitioners to be able to prescribe these powerful drugs, which they are certainly not qualified to do. Additionally, since no test exists to find our which specific neurotransmitter is causing the illness (Serotonin, Norepinephrine, etc), the doctor is forced to play a game of trial by fire with your brain. These drugs DO have a purpose, as there are cases that simply cannot be treated any other way, but these are not what you go hop on because your wife left you, your girlfriend cheated on you, or you lost your job. These drugs are for people with PHYSIOLOGICAL defects in the way their brain consumes neurotransmitters.

    2) The two most prolific instances of drug over prescription in the last decade have been with regard to anti-depressant drugs and opoid pain killers. Both Eli Lily and PURDUE were extremely deceptive in marketing these drugs as safe. In the first instance, marketing anti-depressants directly to consumers, and encouraging them to ask their doctors about XYZ drug. Highly unethical behavior, and I'm glad its been banned. Your doctor prescribes you drugs, not the other way around. In the latter case, PURDUE marketed Oxycontin to doctors as a less addictive drug, that was 'SAFE' to prescribe for chronic pain. Prior to 1996-98, chronic pain had NEVER been treated with opoid painkillers, and they were reserved for ACUTE PAIN/POST-OPERATIVE PAIN/&END OF LIFE PALLIATIVE CARE. This is why there was a $500BN USD judgement against them.

    With all of that being said, there is a legitimate place in medicine for both classes of drugs mentioned. The issue comes in how we are training our doctors to calculate RISK vs. REWARD, as there are always risks when you take ANY drug. I think both classes of drugs are going through what Barbituates went through in the 60s/70s, they are viewed as the drug to use for everything, are massively over prescribed, and we end up with swaths of people dependent on them. I think the issue will self-correct in a couple of years, or at least I hope it will.
    This is finally about to change.
    A new test that identifies particular molecules in the blood could help doctors diagnose patients with clinical depression,

    A Blood Test For Depression Shows The Illness Is Not A Matter Of Will

  9. #9
    uhit's Avatar
    uhit is offline Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    England
    Posts
    651
    BRB taking my megaman multivitamin instead of this anti depressent the doc gave me because I was feeling lethargic for a week (im fine now)
    lovbyts likes this.

  10. #10
    Khazima's Avatar
    Khazima is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    2,058
    The pharmaceutical scam sickens me.. After watching a few videos on it when I was heavily addicted to prescription meds this stuff absolutely enrages me.

  11. #11
    JJ78 is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    The Beach
    Posts
    1,524
    I will be honest. Its not such a bad thing to have a few Percs 10mgs set aside for when you hurting.

  12. #12
    Hazard's Avatar
    Hazard is offline AR-Elite Hall of Famer
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    20,517
    Quote Originally Posted by JJ78
    I will be honest. Its not such a bad thing to have a few Percs 10mgs set aside for when you hurting.
    I never ever take em. I've thrown away whole prescriptions after surgery. I've done pretty good without em so far..... They also destroyed my ex-wife's life.
    Failure is not and option..... ONLY beyond failure is - Haz

    Think beyond yourselves and remember this forum is for educated members to help advise SAFE usage of AAS, not just tell you what you want to hear
    - Knockout_Power

    NOT DOING SOURCE CHECKS......


  13. #13
    lovbyts's Avatar
    lovbyts is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    30,268
    Quote Originally Posted by JJ78 View Post
    I will be honest. Its not such a bad thing to have a few Percs 10mgs set aside for when you hurting.
    Nope, as long as you actually need them and you are sure you dont have an addiction to them or an addictive personality. I have a nice little stash from past/present RX.

    I have a buddy who gets a healthy RX every month, a lot more than me but he is always hitting me up for extra. I always tell him I dont have any and I used all mine because of x, y or z. He is addicted and it's not just because of pain.

    I feel once someone starts crushing them and snorting them claiming it works better and faster then they have a problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hazard View Post
    I never ever take em. I've thrown away whole prescriptions after surgery. I've done pretty good without em so far..... They also destroyed my ex-wife's life.
    I can see how that would make you a little bias. It's funny, I usually dont take anything right after surgery either and Ive had far to many... I like to be able to feel what is happening.

  14. #14
    Times Roman's Avatar
    Times Roman is offline Anabolic Member
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Back from Afghanistan
    Posts
    27,376
    I think the article is accurate to a certain extent, but taken out of context to a certain extent as well.

    I'm not interested in the comparison to vitamins, as the article raises two fundamental points, only one of which I will address.

    I think the unspoken point of the article is that if one were to lead a right lifestyle, including diet and exercise, then most of the prescription drugs would not be necessary. And in that light, the potential risks associated with these meds compared to living right is high.

    But let's just assume that a slovenly lifestyle is the norm and is a given. Then these drugs do become necessary to a point. At this point, the risk of medication is lower compared to the alternative, not taking medication.

    Imagine a Type2 diabetic not taking the insulin . Although the risk of medication is real, the risk of not taking medication is immanent.

    What is unknowable is the lives saved due to taking the medication. But since this information is omitted/unknowable, the only other thing we can compare it to is vitamins, which is a wrong comparison. Apples and oranges.
    Khazima likes this.

  15. #15
    Times Roman's Avatar
    Times Roman is offline Anabolic Member
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Back from Afghanistan
    Posts
    27,376
    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    Nope, as long as you actually need them and you are sure you dont have an addiction to them or an addictive personality. I have a nice little stash from past/present RX.

    I have a buddy who gets a healthy RX every month, a lot more than me but he is always hitting me up for extra. I always tell him I dont have any and I used all mine because of x, y or z. He is addicted and it's not just because of pain.

    I feel once someone starts crushing them and snorting them claiming it works better and faster then they have a problem.



    I can see how that would make you a little bias. It's funny, I usually dont take anything right after surgery either and Ive had far to many... I like to be able to feel what is happening.
    I sometimes do "minor" procedures on myself. Pain is a necessary feedback mechanism, and I rely on it heavily in the gym. Yeah, pain is a good thing. Sometimes.

  16. #16
    Deal Me In's Avatar
    Deal Me In is offline Member
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    600
    Quote Originally Posted by JJ78 View Post
    I will be honest. Its not such a bad thing to have a few Percs 10mgs set aside for when you hurting.
    To be honest, these things scare me. I've known to many people who are addicted. That being said, about once every two years I pass a kidney stone and for about 48 hours I do love them.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •