Paris Terror Attack

[kelkel]

Disturbing footage:

LiveLeak.com - Moment Video When a Gunmen Shoots at Police Man in France, Paris

[RaginCajun]

Saw that

Damn extremists!

All over a cartoon

[Metalject]

And yet the Obama white house refuses to call this islamic terrorist.
And yet the media in the U.S. and most of the world will continue to kowtow to the islamic terrorist.
And every media outlet will have numerous talking heads speak on christian fundamentalist terrorist because they're an equal problem.

This stands no chance in ending until society at large recognizes the problem and is willing to admit it.

[kelkel]

And yet the Obama white house refuses to call this islamic terrorist.
And yet the media in the U.S. and most of the world will continue to kowtow to the islamic terrorist.
And every media outlet will have numerous talking heads speak on christian fundamentalist terrorist because they're an equal problem.

This stands no chance in ending until society at large recognizes the problem and is willing to admit it.

Yes. Unbridled political correctness. Just can't offend anyone.

[lovbyts]

And yet the Obama white house refuses to call this islamic terrorist.
And yet the media in the U.S. and most of the world will continue to kowtow to the islamic terrorist.
And every media outlet will have numerous talking heads speak on christian fundamentalist terrorist because they're an equal problem.

This stands no chance in ending until society at large recognizes the problem and is willing to admit it.

If its done by anyone who is Muslim Obama refuses to say terror attack just like the guy not long ago who cut off the head of a co worker and killed another. It was work place violence.

[Metalject]

If its done by anyone who is Muslim Obama refuses to say terror attack just like the guy not long ago who cut off the head of a co worker and killed another. It was work place violence.

Something I don't understand but maybe someone here has some insight...out of all the religions in the world, why are the elites in Washington and the progressive left so protective of the muslim world and so quick to demonize and mock other religions? This is the core problem but I'm not sure what caused the problem.

[Rida5d]

Something I don't understand but maybe someone here has some insight...out of all the religions in the world, why are the elites in Washington and the progressive left so protective of the muslim world .

May be cuz some people think that the first victim for radicals are Muslims themselves ?

[noon]

This is a very sad video to watch. Not makes me sad that this continues with out repercussion .
It emboldens them when they are aloud to continue

[davidtheman100]

Sorry to offend anyone but the whole middle east should just be blown up IMO would solve so many problems

[Metalject]

Sorry to offend anyone but the whole middle east should just be blown up IMO would solve so many problems

Problem is radical islam has already infected a lot of the world. Look at Europe, 50 million muslims living there and more and more we're seeing insanity from those groups. Yeah, yeah, before someone says it, I'm sure not all the European muslims are like this but plenty of them are. Stats don't lie.

[kelkel]

Something I don't understand but maybe someone here has some insight...out of all the religions in the world, why are the elites in Washington and the progressive left so protective of the muslim world and so quick to demonize and mock other religions? This is the core problem but I'm not sure what caused the problem.

Fear.

[zempey]

Money, power, control, there are a few reasons. But you have to see the other side of the coin, American politicians have been fuking with these people for a long time leaving destruction and death in their wake.

[JAYROD]

Money, power, control, there are a few reasons. But you have to see the other side of the coin, American politicians have been fuking with these people for a long time leaving destruction and death in their wake.

so they kill innocent people because they are mad at American politicians? I don't see that side of the coin. the middle east has been fighting since the beginning of humanity and they always will.

[zempey]

They are killing innocent people because American politicians are sending troops in to their countries and killing innocent people, and this has fostered the radical movement against America.

[hawk14dl]

If its done by anyone who is Muslim Obama refuses to say terror attack just like the guy not long ago who cut off the head of a co worker and killed another. It was work place violence.

That happened here in my city. They didn't hide it on the news here, it was made very clear this was religiously motivated

[Metalject]

They are killing innocent people because American politicians are sending troops in to their countries and killing innocent people, and this has fostered the radical movement against America.

So they went into a Paris news paper because of Americans?
What about the muslim man who attacked the Canadian capital, was that because of America?
What about the British subway attack, was that because of America?
In the last 5yrs alone, there have been more terrorist attacks on non-Americans by Muslims by far and the list is pretty large.

[j3374]

Zempey was stating why Radical Muslim terrorists were attacking American targets. The entire democratic world is their enemy. Freedom of speech is a foreign concept to them.

[Euroholic]

This was more than just a attack on france. It was an attack on western values. Multiculturalism is not working. The only way to stop extremist islam and attacks like these is if the west launches one last crusade and kills everybody who does not support western values. It angers me how the normal muslims don't do enough to stop extremism.

[Rwy]

Problem is radical islam has already infected a lot of the world. Look at Europe, 50 million muslims living there and more and more we're seeing insanity from those groups. Yeah, yeah, before someone says it, I'm sure not all the European muslims are like this but plenty of them are. Stats don't lie.

Bingo.......France among other Countries have allowed Sharia Law in certain parts. Can you imagine if they tried pulling that shit in the states. I dont care how ****ed up our country is right now. It would never happen.



Fastest growing name in London.....Muhammad

[bass]

Only cowards do these acts, but the bigger coward is us and those who try to be politically correct for not calling these thugs for what the are. Terrorist, criminals and cowards. Fvck them all.

[bass]

This was more than just a attack on france. It was an attack on western values. Multiculturalism is not working. The only way to stop extremist islam and attacks like these is if the west launches one last crusade and kills everybody who does not support western values. It angers me how the normal muslims don't do enough to stop extremism.

Holy shit Euro, you sound like one of us! When did you cross over?

[Rida5d]

Sorry to offend anyone but the whole middle east should just be blown up IMO would solve so many problems

How would u feel If I said the same about u, ur family and friends? And starting by saying sorry if I offended anyone doesn't make it sound any better..

I live in the Middle East and let me know in which way I hurt you or anyone you know?


It's retarded people like you who attracts radicals , to get more silly people to do such ugly nasty stuff..

let me open your eyes for some facts , and i hope u take them with an open mind

do u realize that middle eastern heads are getting cut by those mother ****ers more than American heads, a lot more?
take a look at what happened in my city back in 2005
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Amman_bombings

do u need more statistics?? i have thousands

Do u realise we are in open war with radicals just like you?
Few weeks ago an f16 MUSLIM Jordanian pilot had his plane shot down , u know what he was doing? He was on a raid on ISIS..and now u wanna blow his home
For first time, ISIS downs and captures coalition pilot -- a Jordanian - CNN.com

i am ,a middle eastern,and I dont evaluate people looking at their passports or religion.. i am nothing like u .. if i was, i ll be thinking that each american is like one of those guys at abu garib prison who used to torture prisoners , http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_G...prisoner_abuse or like those guys who were blowing civilians with the song loud at the back ground : the roof is on fire

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HrtNSZh2Tnw

But it will be silly to think all Americans are the same as we both know, i have american friends who stayed at my home, and i have more coming to my home and i assure u , they ll find more hospitality in my home than what they ll find in urs. be sure of that..

let me end this post by saying human life is valuable , and yes.. terrorists deserve punishment.. but look where u shoot..
please .. dont act in a way , that could attract more into being a terrorist .. we both dont want this in our lives although we live in 2 different worlds.

[lovbyts]

Zempey was stating why Radical Muslim terrorists were attacking American targets. The entire democratic world is their enemy. Freedom of speech is a foreign concept to them.

Marrying a 8yr old is foreign to most of us and stoning girls to death because they want to get an education but we aren't going there to kill them because of it.

As it was said, tbey have been at war with each other and neighbors since the beginning of time. They are only coming to us now because they can.

[musclestack]

How would u feel If I said the same about u, ur family and friends? And starting by saying sorry if I offended anyone doesn't make it sound any better..

I live in the Middle East and let me know in which way I hurt you or anyone you know?


It's retarded people like you who attracts radicals , to get more silly people to do such ugly nasty stuff..

let me open your eyes for some facts , and i hope u take them with an open mind

do u realize that middle eastern heads are getting cut by those mother ****ers more than American heads, a lot more?
take a look at what happened in my city back in 2005
2005 Amman bombings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

do u need more statistics?? i have thousands

Do u realise we are in open war with radicals just like you?
Few weeks ago an f16 MUSLIM Jordanian pilot had his plane shot down , u know what he was doing? He was on a raid on ISIS..and now u wanna blow his home
For first time, ISIS downs and captures coalition pilot -- a Jordanian - CNN.com

i am ,a middle eastern,and I dont evaluate people looking at their passports or religion.. i am nothing like u .. if i was, i ll be thinking that each american is like one of those guys at abu garib prison who used to torture prisoners , http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_G...prisoner_abuse or like those guys who were blowing civilians with the song loud at the back ground : the roof is on fire

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HrtNSZh2Tnw

But it will be silly to think all Americans are the same as we both know, i have american friends who stayed at my home, and i have more coming to my home and i assure u , they ll find more hospitality in my home than what they ll find in urs. be sure of that..

let me end this post by saying human life is valuable , and yes.. terrorists deserve punishment.. but look where u shoot..
please .. dont act in a way , that could attract more into being a terrorist .. we both dont want this in our lives although we live in 2 different worlds.

Agree entirely. It angers me to read/watch on the news about what these radicals are doing, but what angers me more are the Westerners who think we should drop nukes on the Middle East because of it. Not only are you going to kill innocent people, but you will turn the 'moderate' muslims into radicals as well. It would only make the problem worse. People who advocate nuking Mecca are only thinking with emotion and not logic.

I lived overseas for 5 years (I'm American), and I can say that some of my best friends are of Middle Eastern descent and almost all of them are Muslim. They treat me just as well, if not better than my Western friends. They want to live a good life and raise their families, just like anyone else. I was overseas when the Boston bombing took place, and each one of them that I talked to about the subject were hoping and praying that it was not a Muslim that carried out the attacks (this was before the suspects were identified) because it would cause more people to hate Muslims in general.

People need to imagine if it was their family that was going to get bombed before going out and saying they'd like to bomb others who have done absolutely nothing to them. Furthermore, if you want to go drop nukes on a group of people, mostly innocent people, then who is the real terrorist?

[Rida5d]

^^ well said..

I guess we should both work together hand in hand to combat these retards..
Believe me I know that they feed on the hatred between the two worlds..

I believe that each one of us can make a difference..

On a side note , I'm not a religious person at all, but I think that lots of suckers are using it due to some agenda in their heads .. And what's more easy for dragging people into this , than religion ..

90% of the land controlled by ISIS is rich-oil land.. Coincidence ? I really don't think so.

[kelkel]

Rida what are your thoughts on what many of the news agencies over here say is a lack of leadership in the Middle East to denounce these radicals?

[Docd187123]

Rida what are your thoughts on what many of the news agencies over here say is a lack of leadership in the Middle East to denounce these radicals?

I'm not Rida but one thing I can tell you that the news agencies here flat out lie about things in the Middle East quite often. I do not trust the media coverage of anything relating to the Middle East.

[Rida5d]

Rida what are your thoughts on what many of the news agencies over here say is a lack of leadership in the Middle East to denounce these radicals?

I ll list what people say in this part of world.. This might make some people angry , but I ll just say it anyways..

The simple answer to your question is YES. It all started after saddam Hussein went down after Iraq invasion .. People believed he was a dictator , but he didn't care much about religion .. Yes, he was evil , but after he's gone we have to deal with bigger stronger evil..
Organized one: Iran ..
Unorganized aka ISIS and other radical groups.. And those are spreading like cancer in Iraq and Syria as there is no government in control in those countries..

The sad thing is that some governments supported ISIS cause they wanted to get rid of the Syrian regime , but things went out of control , and like I previously stated , it looks like a matter of business , oil , $

Put a machine gun into uneducated person , brain wash him, and he is a tool in your hand ..

In my country , we are more lucky as we don't have many radicals around ,only individuals.. Mostly non Jordanians, but I ve spoken to some of those , and looks like all of them have something in common : lack of education , no work or job , broke people.. And many of them lost a relative here or there in the US invasion to Iraq ... Can u imagine how it gets so easy to play them?

Here comes ISIS game:
Americans killed your father
Americans killed your mother
Bla bla bla .. And once in a sudden he believes it..

In a second , you are his enemy.. And I'm too cuz you are my friend.. Even I speak his language..

[kelkel]

I'm not Rida but one thing I can tell you that the news agencies here flat out lie about things in the Middle East quite often. I do not trust the media coverage of anything relating to the Middle East.

Can't disagree with that at all. The media is both profit and agenda driven.

[musclestack]

^^^Agreed, Rida. When speaking to my Middle Eastern friends, they also said that all of these radicals have certain things in common: uneducated, broke, no job, no structure in their lives. Take a person like that who has nearly nothing to LIVE for and, in turn, give them something to DIE for. It gives their uneducated mind a sense of purpose, and they'll do just about anything.

[Docd187123]

Can't disagree with that at all. The media is both profit and agenda driven.

And this is much of the reason for the hatred on both sides IMO. When both sides twist the facts to support their side and garner public opinion the end result is what we see today

I've been to several countries in the Middle East, most frequently Lebanon, but like Rida I can tell you that most of the people there only want to be able to raise their children, not bury them. I was just outside of Beirut one time on vacation visiting family when I was 10yo I think. A bomb had been set off and completely devastated a few buildings. I had relatives a few blocks from there and I remember going with some other family members to sift through the rubble to look for survivors. It's a sight I see very frequently when I go to sleep. I remember everything unfortunately but it makes me see things through another focus. I can understand why ppl would want revenge. Now I'm not justifying going out and killing people, it's wrong for both sides, but think of what you would do if you lost your whole family to something like this. Thankfully I didn't lose anyone that time but I was there to pick up the pieces of the bodies that remained. One kid, couldn't be more than 15 or 16, was picking up the pieces of his mother's body. Then you get a radical telling him he can get his revenge if he joins their cause. It's a recipe for disaster on both ends.

[Rida5d]

Then you get a radical telling him he can get his revenge if he joins their cause. It's a recipe for disaster on both ends.

This is exactly what scares me.. And that's why I was begging that guy on the thread not to speak in that language painting everyone with the same brush..

I would like to add something to this beautiful thread..
Not every middle eastern is a Muslim .. In my country 5~7% of the population are Christians , In lebanon I guess it was 40-50 % once , but I dunno now..
Lebanon is an Arabic middle eastern CHRISTIAN country until today and tomorrow , and it will always be.

[bass]

Marrying a 8yr old is foreign to most of us and stoning girls to death because they want to get an education but we aren't going there to kill them because of it.

As it was said, tbey have been at war with each other and neighbors since the beginning of time. They are only coming to us now because they can.

Spot on. I lived there for 18 years of my life, the reason we were able to live as Catholics without getting beheaded was because these radicals were few and controlled by the moderate majority, when Iraq and Syria became week the thugs took over.

For those who are saying the media lies and no one knows the truth what goes on in middle east i say take your head out of the sand, you're either ignorant or a sympathizer, 1000s of Christians have been slotterd already, i don't have to hear it from the news, I get directly from relatives and friends in iraq.

Take a listen to this clip, if this doesn't convince those who give terrorist the benefit of the doubt, then you're simply one of them,

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/01/0...-terror-attack

[Docd187123]

Spot on. I lived there for 18 years of my life, the reason we were able to live as Catholics without getting beheaded was because these radicals were few and controlled by the moderate majority, when Iraq and Syria became week the thugs took over.

For those who are saying the media lies and no one knows the truth what goes on in middle east i say take your head out of the sand, you're either ignorant or a sympathizer, 1000s of Christians have been slotterd already, i don't have to hear it from the news, I get directly from relatives and friends in iraq.

Take a listen to this clip, if this doesn't convince those who give terrorist the benefit of the doubt, then you're simply one of them,

‘I Still Think You’re An Evil SOB’: Hannity Clashes With Radical Imam

I say take your head out of the sand as well and realize that thousands of Muslims have died, thousands of Christians have died, thousands of Jewish have died. People of every religious background have died. Nobody said to give a terrorist the benefit of the doubt but not all terrorists are Muslim in case you didn't realize that ....

[bass]

I say take your head out of the sand as well and realize that thousands of Muslims have died, thousands of Christians have died, thousands of Jewish have died. People of every religious background have died. Nobody said to give a terrorist the benefit of the doubt but not all terrorists are Muslim in case you didn't realize that ....

That's not what i said. If you read my post you will see that i gave credit to moderate majority which are Muslims. But what about the imam in the video, did that shed some truth to you about what their aim is?

[Rida5d]

That's not what i said. If you read my post you will see that i gave credit to moderate majority which are Muslims. But what about the imam in the video, did that shed some truth to you about what their aim is?

The only reason I chimed into this thread to point the finger to the differences between normal people (majority) and radicals and that was a reply to a guy who wanted to bomb the Middle East to be more comfortable ..
If you have friends/family in the Middle East then I guess u would disagree with him also..as he didn't distinguish between anyone living here..

The only message I wanted to deliver is that terrorists don't know the difference between Muslims or non Muslims.. They have one thing in their mind: if u not with us , then you are against it , no matter what your religion is.

One last thing ,exactly like you.. I don't need Fox News to tell me what's going on in front of my eyes.. And yes media is biased when it covers the news of the Middle East .. That's my opinion and this doesn't make me a terrorist..

[noon]

This is one of the most thought out threads I have come across on this topic.
I can say this I have been over seas with my boots in the sand and seen the way the us does business I have seen the wrong area on a map turned to dust and then marched thru it. As the people try to pick up whats left including dead loved ones. I have seen the look in a mans eyes as he kneels in the road and screams to the heavens and looks at me with fear hatred and disgust wrapped in agony for lost loved ones. I did not see fear for his own life at that time. Spin that just a little bit and you have a man that will kill for someone else. And when I am able to take a call from home the news either mentions nothing or has it all wrong. Turn the table on yourself this event happens on your street .to you. Leaves you with nothing to live for. You might find a new level of hate inside you. You might look for a group where you can take up arms against the men that have done this.

[bass]

The only reason I chimed into this thread to point the finger to the differences between normal people (majority) and radicals and that was a reply to a guy who wanted to bomb the Middle East to be more comfortable ..
If you have friends/family in the Middle East then I guess u would disagree with him also..as he didn't distinguish between anyone living here..

The only message I wanted to deliver is that terrorists don't know the difference between Muslims or non Muslims.. They have one thing in their mind: if u not with us , then you are against it , no matter what your religion is.

One last thing ,exactly like you.. I don't need Fox News to tell me what's going on in front of my eyes.. And yes media is biased when it covers the news of the Middle East .. That's my opinion and this doesn't make me a terrorist..

I don't know if you're terrorist or not but will take your word for it. Fox news reporting regarding what terrorist are doing is almost 100% matching reports i get from iraq, all others are biased. To know the truth you need to speak to the victims, i do.

[Docd187123]

That's not what i said. If you read my post you will see that i gave credit to moderate majority which are Muslims. But what about the imam in the video, did that shed some truth to you about what their aim is?

I can't watch the video here at work so I'll have to play it later tonight. The aim of the imam and that of his followers is their aim which isn't necessarily the aim of the moderate majority of Muslims as you pointed out. There's extremism on both sides of the argument and to an extent I do agree with you. I guess my point is there's the good and the bad everywhere.

[Docd187123]

I don't know if you're terrorist or not but will take your word for it. Fox news reporting regarding what terrorist are doing is almost 100% matching reports i get from iraq, all others are biased. To know the truth you need to speak to the victims, i do.

I can assure you that Rida does indeed speak with the victims. He lives with them in he Middle East. Also, it's not only what the reports of what the terrorists are doing that worries me, it's what everybody else is doing too n