Cop Pulls Gun and Manhandles Black Teen Girl at Pool Party

[davidtheman100]

I meant to say: Did he handle it 100% correctly? No.

[djgreen]

[djgreen]

I think we forget about situations like this, not all cops are bad but if this video was not taken they would have believed every word of his fake story and probley labeled a hero

[djgreen]

and also note when he was planting false evidence around his body the other 2 cops didn't say a word and most likely never would have

[zempey]

If a cop tells you to do something, just fuking do it. You resist these days and you get ****ed up, case closed. Those kids lunged and pushed the cop, they are lucky they don't have holes in them, or tazer burns. He could have handled it different, but he didn't, she could have handled herself different, but she didn't, tie goes to the officer in a situation like this. Now the media is going to sensationalize the shit out of this and cause way more problems then need be.

JUST FUKING LISTEN DAMN IT.

[djgreen]

I disagree it doesnt work like do what i say or get ****ed up or die that is what the problem is that girl showed her ass but that dosent mean you can just do whatever you want because your mad cops are held to a higher standard

[zempey]

Didn't say it was right, just how it is. How many times does this shit have to happen before these idiots who resist get the point.

[Metalject]

My issue is that it's such a small thing to be such a big news story. Did he handle it 100% correctly? Yes. Was he a little rough? Yes. Are some cops different than others and handle things a little differently within the confides of the law? Absolutely and a ton of it is different generations of cops and how fast social norms are changing opposed to what these cops new years ago. (Not saying that's the case here) Let's be real...this scenario is being WAYYY overblown due to what has happened in the past months with the protests and rioting etc...In court of law and in law enforcement previous offenses ESPECIALLY if done by different people should not be taken into account when a new offense happens that is not the SAME EXACT case. It needs to be treated differently because these are DIFFERENT PEOPLE and DIFFERENT COPS not just BLACK PEOPLE and WHITE COPS...Once THEY stop categorizing every different scenario in different parts of the country with the same title..Other people will stop categorizing negatively. Only difference is one way is politically correct and "trending" in this society, and one isn't. When in reality they're both just as bad as eachother

The issue isn't judging all cops the same because of another officer's past behavior. Well, maybe that's the issue for some people but it's also a wrong issue. The issue is the powers and abilities cops should or should not hold...the line of authority.

The Black White thing, as messed up as that situation is in Baltimore, I mean it's a complete mess, thankfully it wasn't all white people this time, which points even more to the issue of the line in police authority.

[Metalject]

If a cop tells you to do something, just fuking do it. You resist these days and you get ****ed up, case closed. Those kids lunged and pushed the cop, they are lucky they don't have holes in them, or tazer burns. He could have handled it different, but he didn't, she could have handled herself different, but she didn't, tie goes to the officer in a situation like this. Now the media is going to sensationalize the shit out of this and cause way more problems then need be.

JUST FUKING LISTEN DAMN IT.

Not how a free society works. The whole idea behind US police officers is to be servants of the public, not the authority of the public and this is a very important concept.

[RigPig]

Sometimes I eat tomatoes like apples...

[zempey]

Unfortunately the tide is turning in that direction. I fully believe there should be a nation wide overhaul on how the police interact with the public. Things are so messed up and there is such a massive division between the police and the public, if something isn't done soon, there will be some major uprisings.

I for one will not resist the police, I know the chances of me getting messed up are high. If I feel I was not hadled properly I will take action in a legal manor or through other channels within the system.

[Hazard]

Unfortunately the tide is turning in that direction. I fully believe there should be a nation wide overhaul on how the police interact with the public. Things are so messed up and there is such a massive division between the police and the public, if something isn't done soon, there will be some major uprisings.

I for one will not resist the police, I know the chances of me getting messed up are high. If I feel I was not hadled properly I will take action in a legal manor or through other channels within the system.

Here's the bigger problem..... The lack of proper course (legal system) and more uprising will only add fuel and make the situation even worse. The more crazy people act - the more the government will push back.

[DB1982]

There is obviously people at fault on both sides in this situation.
But one side has young kids.
And the other has a(1) trained adult officer.
The adult should always remain calm and show composure. (Which he clearly lacked)
He is also the only officer acting irrationally.

Here's something to think about.....

While all this was happening that irrational officer never once approached or Evan looked at the white kid filming right next to his black friends.

Now sit and think about that one for a minute. The kid filming was part of the same group of kids but remained completely invisible to that officer.

[TheChosen1]

Just as I stated earlier, Officer Danny Douchbag overreacted to the situation. He was not in any kind of threat or harm in order to pull his weapon on juveniles.
He only reacted to the African-American kids, despite the many kids of other racial groups also on the scene.

The verdict: He's been placed on suspension. I see traffic detail assignments in his near future.

[RA]

Innocent pool party...




http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...D1Wt9-Nmsc6uZQ

[Hazard]

Innocent pool party...

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...D1Wt9-Nmsc6uZQ

This shit ALWAYS happens..... People ridicule and jump to conclusions at the break of a story and then the truth comes out

[RigPig]

It's the same concept as dogs herding cattle... They have to look and sound mean, they sometimes get in the face to move the cattle, bark, snarl a growl like they are viscous but it's part of the job. Any of the Heros on here want to explain how you and 2 of your buddies are going to control a group of 30+ people all fired up from partying, fighting and drinking with out appearing confrontational and aggressive? Pull your heads out of your asses. Only thing hurt here was a few egos...move on.
If you so strongly disagree with the actions of the police, explain how YOU would have done it any better!
Please and thank you don't go far when dealing with head strong kids/adults who act and think like they are "untouchable".

[austinite]

This shit ALWAYS happens..... People ridicule and jump to conclusions at the break of a story and then the truth comes out

What truth came out?

[Hazard]

If also like to point out.....


A few days ago I was driving through a neighborhood with my coworker in his SUV. We had the windows down and as we drove by 10 teens ranging in age from I'd guess 12-16 - they began screaming at us "I hate cops! FVCK YOU!" As they gave us the finger.

Now..... We aren't cops lol! I just thought to myself..... These kids are getting more and more disrespectful every year.

We ended up passing by the same block and they saw us from a distance. This time they were even more ready an they got closer to the SUV as we got closer. I put my window down and singled out one of them.... I said "you.....(as I pointed) You're the bitch of the group aren't you? Lil bitch!"

They all died laughing and their tune changed. They began ragging on the kid.....

Regardless of age..... People in general just need to start caring a little bit more about their fellow man instead of looking to disrespect.

[Hazard]

What truth came out?

The truth about the story.....

It's depicted as an innocent pool party. It was said that cops were called by neighbors because too many black kids showed up.

Now we know the real reason and why the cops came the way they did.

[austinite]

The truth about the story.....

It's depicted as an innocent pool party. It was said that cops were called by neighbors because too many black kids showed up.

Now we know the real reason and why the cops came the way they did.

I don't see anything about an innocent pool party. Everyone knows kids got rowdy and cops were called.

[Hazard]

Not for nothing..... But if I was a cop my first priority would be to go home to my family. I absolutely would not want to risk my job, my pension, my benefits..... Just to throw a teen on the ground. I'd be smarter than that..... Maybe this cop Wasnt? Who knows - maybe he'll speak out about why he did it.

However..... In a world where teens carry pistols..... You can't take any chances. Times have changed.

I may have told this story - can't remember. A few weeks ago, in the same neighborhood as my story above, myself and two coworkers saw a robbery in the making. Two teens were following an older man down the street. They had hoodies pulled tight to their face in 90 degree weather while looking like they were sneaking up on this poor man. We intervened and the 15y/o told us he had a BB gun pistol. The other kid was 17 and was directing the 15y/o. I still have the BB gun..... It looks like a real pistol.

God forbid this kid took it out infront of a cop..... He'd be dead.

[RigPig]

I like where your heads at Haz! I feel the same way. You write it out better then me haha

[RA]

The original story was a pool party where there were to many black faces and neighbors called the law enforcement. Cops came in knocking black kids around followed by #blacklivesmatter. If you read the link I posted they were called because of a fight. They show up and tell people to sit while they sort it out. Now that we know everything I don't see a problem.

I don't see anything about an innocent pool party. Everyone knows kids got rowdy and cops were called.

[Hazard]

I don't see anything about an innocent pool party. Everyone knows kids got rowdy and cops were called.

Not in this thread but the stories written and on the news.....

People being interviewed making it all seem like white cops vs black teens. Come on..... I'm sorry it's bullshit.

I'd HATE to be a white cop today..... I am the furthest from racist but if someone recorded me arresting someone who's not white if be labled racist. This shit is ridiculous. Race baiters breed hate..... It's sickening

[RA]

Read the link I posted...

Another McKinney resident, Bryan Gestner, posted on Facebook, “This was a Twitter party that turned into a mob event. Jumping pool fence. Assaulting 2 security guards, attacking a mother with three little girls. The video doesn’t show everything.” He continued saying the kids were drinking and “smoking weed” and they would not listen to any of the adults around the pool.

[austinite]

Read the link I posted...

Another McKinney resident, Bryan Gestner, posted on Facebook, “This was a Twitter party that turned into a mob event. Jumping pool fence. Assaulting 2 security guards, attacking a mother with three little girls. The video doesn’t show everything.” He continued saying the kids were drinking and “smoking weed” and they would not listen to any of the adults around the pool.

RA, I am not on either side and because no one really got hurt here, I couldn't care less. But I can tell you that if it were my neighborhood, I'd want the cops to like me and respond to my 911 calls. I'd don't know that I'd make up, or exaggerate some stories and post signs saying "Thank you officers!", but I know many people would.

But for the fact that this made national news, those signs probably would have never been posted.

All too often we hear "The Media Lies!", and then we base judgment on a Facebook post by a random guy we never met before today. Who knows what the truth is. But the truth did not come out in my opinion.

If that was my neighborhood, I would have knocked on every door and got parents over there to pull their kids.

We can't survive without the police, that's a fact. 'Do as I say, not as I do', is generally not acceptable. Which is why this one cop is getting hammered.

Either way, because we will never really know what happened, I think it's fair to say that setting complete blame on one party is a bit mind-boggling. In other words, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

Now I need to go clean up the mess Hazard made in Dukkits house...

[RigPig]

Read the link I posted...

Another McKinney resident, Bryan Gestner, posted on Facebook, “This was a Twitter party that turned into a mob event. Jumping pool fence. Assaulting 2 security guards, attacking a mother with three little girls. The video doesn’t show everything.” He continued saying the kids were drinking and “smoking weed” and they would not listen to any of the adults around the pool.

Too bad the damage was already done and that cop has to face the music.
Cops should be able to obtain recording devices at the point of an investigation.
On my worksite I make it very clear, if there is an incident and someone is observed recording or taking pictures, their device now becomes property of the investigation until the investigation is complete. Politics is a democracy, my work place is mostly discussion ending with Dictatorship. When it comes to something serious it's full on Dictatorship, if I have to stand before a judge for my decisions then it will be done my way! Simple as that.
Less of this "one sided" selective recording happens when people fear losing their phones. Sad but true

[RA]

This is Texas not Maryland. The truth will actually help and the cop will be cleared...

[djgreen]

don't that sound a little like communism what about freedom of the press there's no law that says you cant record police stopping people from reporting is exactly the kind of laws they have in Russia an north Korea

[RA]

Agreed. And as far as the vid you posted...cop should have to run while the guys family members take shots at him..

don't that sound a little like communism what about freedom of the press there's no law that says you cant record police that's exactly the kind of laws they have in Russia an north Korea

[RigPig]

don't that sound a little like communism what about freedom of the press there's no law that says you cant record police stopping people from reporting is exactly the kind of laws they have in Russia an north Korea

If this was directed at me then:
Yes it is whatever you want to call it, when it comes to me being liable for you going home at night safe and sound You will operate my way. Follow MY direction and you'll be fine. In the real world where Due Diligence is the "be all,end all" in the eyes of the court, your opinion only holds so much weight. If you sign off on my pre-job meeting that you accept my terms then go outside those documented steps, I'm clear, you are free to make your own choices but the accountability falls back on you if you f**k up yourself or someone else.

[djgreen]

That is exactly what the problem is our opinion only holds so much weight and that's why cops do what they want that's why were in this situation in America im not calling anyone out just stating what I believe in

[RigPig]

That is exactly what the problem is our opinion only holds so much weight and that's why cops do what they want that's why were in this situation in America im not calling anyone out just stating what I believe in

When you are in a position where your leadership skills will be your defining factor in court if some get hurt (or worse) you'll quickly see that it's safer to have 1 leader. And only entertain opinions that will make the operation safe for more effecient.
If I let everyone else do what they wanted I'd have anywhere from a few to a few hindered workers going in all directions.
It's called business. Only 1 person at a time answers to the Top dogs and Share holders. Also in court I stand alone if you or someone else gets hurt.
Nobody stands beside me. If I'm taking the full brunt of the consequences then you will do it MY way. If I **** up and you get hurt, I'll take whatever I have coming. But rest assured, you wil leave my worksite BETTER and more experienced then when you showed up. Everyday!

[RigPig]

That is exactly what the problem is our opinion only holds so much weight and that's why cops do what they want that's why were in this situation in America im not calling anyone out just stating what I believe in

I have to protect my family as well as you and your family. I cannot do that properly if everyone gets to make the operation go the way they feel at that point in time.
Your teachers and you parents lead you to believe your opinion counts, and it does to a certain extent, BUT not until you are fully aware of every side of the situation. Your creative ideas will be entertained and questions will be answered properly, you will feel apart of my team but without experience your ideas and opinions don't hold water because you don't know better until You've done it too.

[Metalject]

According to the news reports there were at least a dozen cops on the scene. You see the one in question and another 3 or so in the video clips. Not sure what the others are doing or where they are on the scene specifically. But it's hard not to question the one cops anger and him pushing that teen girls face into the ground and then placing his full body weight on her with his knees in her back. If the situation were this dire, why are the other cops all just standing around doing nothing?

Compare this to the incident this Wkend in NJ a bunch of cops and a mostly black crowd taunting and throwing bricks at the cops. In that case it appears from what we can see the cops actions were justified. You had non ticket holder rushing into the building trying to force their way in, attempting to steal, cause a right and cause harm to a police officer. How anyone couls say the cops were wrong in this situation and that it's all about holding blacks back is as equally ridiculous as some of the arguments being made about the teenage girl in TX.

In the TX situation, pool party, blasted out on twitter - there are obviously going to be a lot kids show up and they're not all going to be leave it to beavers. Reports state there was underage drinking and that some were smoking pot. Is this enough for the shit to hit the fan? Other reports say it was none of these things that caused the cops to be called but rather a fight that broke out between two of the pool goers, one black and one white. I don't know who started it, but at this stage that's irrelevant.

What is relevant is:

1. Cops showed up to break up a fight that appears to have been resolved on its own by the time they got there. There's still some in the background screaming at each other, but there doesn't seem to be anything out of control.

2. One particular officer decided to escalate the situation that had already simmered down by immediately yelling out **** Yous to the by standers, get your ass home, etc. And I stand by one officer when a dozen others are just staring. Even when he drew his gun those by standing officers didn't double down and jump in the fight.

3. Whatever illegal activity the 14 or 15yr old girl (CNN has her at 14, earlier reports 15) did there aren't too many instances that call for his behavior towards her.

4. By law, if a cop ask you to leave and tells you to go home, this is not a law you are required to follow. He does have the right to tell you to step back while he handles the situation at hand. The girl in question is standing with a group significantly distancing herself from the ground zero area. He walked over there, cannot make out what he says and then drags the bikini girl back towards the street. Could she have been talking trash like an idiot? Possibly, but that's not a just cause. Was she interfering with what the cops were trying to do? It did not appear so. Perhaps the cop asked to search her and her belonging, and she refused, which is completely within the confines of the law. He would then need a warrant to pursue it further.

All of these are possibilities but none of them show a place where the main incident between the cop and teen girl should have taken place. Maybe we find out she shot someone around the corner - maybe she matched the description of a fugitive. Possible, yes, but ridiculously unlikely. But only then would such force by the cop be justified.

And you'll notice none of my post have gone into anything regarding race. These race hustlers are making this far more worse than it is in all these recent cases. If a race problem exist between blacks and cops, that's a symptom of a larger police structure problem. But for heaven's sake, you fools that put the thank you signs up in that neighborhood, you're just as ignorant as any other ignorant person. You're only taunting.

[RigPig]

According to the news reports there were at least a dozen cops on the scene. You see the one in question and another 3 or so in the video clips. Not sure what the others are doing or where they are on the scene specifically. But it's hard not to question the one cops anger and him pushing that teen girls face into the ground and then placing his full body weight on her with his knees in her back. If the situation were this dire, why are the other cops all just standing around doing nothing? Compare this to the incident this Wkend in NJ a bunch of cops and a mostly black crowd taunting and throwing bricks at the cops. In that case it appears from what we can see the cops actions were justified. You had non ticket holder rushing into the building trying to force their way in, attempting to steal, cause a right and cause harm to a police officer. How anyone couls say the cops were wrong in this situation and that it's all about holding blacks back is as equally ridiculous as some of the arguments being made about the teenage girl in TX. In the TX situation, pool party, blasted out on twitter - there are obviously going to be a lot kids show up and they're not all going to be leave it to beavers. Reports state there was underage drinking and that some were smoking pot. Is this enough for the shit to hit the fan? Other reports say it was none of these things that caused the cops to be called but rather a fight that broke out between two of the pool goers, one black and one white. I don't know who started it, but at this stage that's irrelevant. What is relevant is: 1. Cops showed up to break up a fight that appears to have been resolved on its own by the time they got there. There's still some in the background screaming at each other, but there doesn't seem to be anything out of control. 2. One particular officer decided to escalate the situation that had already simmered down by immediately yelling out **** Yous to the by standers, get your ass home, etc. And I stand by one officer when a dozen others are just staring. Even when he drew his gun those by standing officers didn't double down and jump in the fight. 3. Whatever illegal activity the 14 or 15yr old girl (CNN has her at 14, earlier reports 15) did there aren't too many instances that call for his behavior towards her. 4. By law, if a cop ask you to leave and tells you to go home, this is not a law you are required to follow. He does have the right to tell you to step back while he handles the situation at hand. The girl in question is standing with a group significantly distancing herself from the ground zero area. He walked over there, cannot make out what he says and then drags the bikini girl back towards the street. Could she have been talking trash like an idiot? Possibly, but that's not a just cause. Was she interfering with what the cops were trying to do? It did not appear so. Perhaps the cop asked to search her and her belonging, and she refused, which is completely within the confines of the law. He would then need a warrant to pursue it further. All of these are possibilities but none of them show a place where the main incident between the cop and teen girl should have taken place. Maybe we find out she shot someone around the corner - maybe she matched the description of a fugitive. Possible, yes, but ridiculously unlikely. But only then would such force by the cop be justified. And you'll notice none of my post have gone into anything regarding race. These race hustlers are making this far more worse than it is in all these recent cases. If a race problem exist between blacks and cops, that's a symptom of a larger police structure problem. But for heaven's sake, you fools that put the thank you signs up in that neighborhood, you're just as ignorant as any other ignorant person. You're only taunting.

MJ, I respect what you have to say. So please tell me what you "think" you'd have done in that situation. I'm Sure in your life you've been in a situation where you've had to handle an encounter with more than necessary force to ensure it didn't escalate any further than you've wanted it to....bar fights maybe, a group talking shit to you maybe. Have you ever had to try and appear 10x bigger just to keep yourself safe?

[lovbyts]

According to the news reports there were at least a dozen cops on the scene. You see the one in question and another 3 or so in the video clips. Not sure what the others are doing or where they are on the scene specifically. But it's hard not to question the one cops anger and him pushing that teen girls face into the ground and then placing his full body weight on her with his knees in her back. If the situation were this dire, why are the other cops all just standing around doing nothing?

Why? She was not listening to him, no leaving after being told repeatedly and once she was told she was under arrest then she started to resist so he had to get her under control quickly.

He did not forcefully push her face down, only made her keep it down and stop trying to get up like he told her.

He also did not put his full body weight on her, only his knee to keep her in place and seeing her interview after she is perfectly fine. Hopefully a little traumatized so next time she will listen or better yet there wont be a next time.

The media and herself are trying to make it look/sound like the cop pulled the gun on her, that was not the case. You see people come up on both sides of the cop while he is trying to detain her and the kids/boys come up into his face flipping their towls around even after being told repeatedly to back off.

Like I said, I was outraged the first time I saw it but after watching it a few more times and seeing it from the cops view and realizing there was also things we didnt see and couldn't hear, I dont think the cop was out of line.

They keep trying to make an issue of her wearing a bathing suit. Who's fault is that? Is a bathing suit now a get out of jail free card and a cop cant detain or arrest you? What if you are naked, now you can murder someone?

Dont let the media make you hyper sensitive or influence your rationality. Dont link one incident to another, especially when most all of them have been proven false, not racial.

According to the reports about 150 kids showed up at a private home owners association pool that were not part of the community and when the security guard told them to leave because they were not part of or with someone from the community they started jumping the fence, intimidating the security and fighting with other local kids.

When the cops got there they first tried to just make everyone leave but again they were meet with resistance, kids telling them they could not make them and yelling/intimidating the cops. It's their responsibility to get a handle on things as quickly as possible before it escalates and that means taking charge, not backing down. Once they back down a crowd will quickly turn into a mob.

Trust me, Ive meet my share of ahole cops and also cops just doing their job. Even though I have a few bad experiences I try not to be quick to judge and look at things logically.

[diesel101]

sometimes i eat tomatoes like apples...

rebel!

[Joco71]

I know when I was teenager I was brought up to respect my elders and to respect the law. I can't imagine me or my friends running around touching the officer yelling profanities at the law resisting what they are asking of us. Cops always came to all the parties we were at when we were that age. The only kids that ever got into trouble were the one's that didn't respect the law officers or were just acting like punks. Alot of bad situations would be avoided by just obeying the cops request. no not all cops are perfect but the mass majority have good intentions. The other boys were sitting on the ground no one was bothering them. But when you think your above the law and think the cop has no juristiction over you in chaotic situation that you put yourself in your wrong. Cops are here to protect and serve and that means enforce the law that we the people vote on. JMO