Should we ban guns in the US like other countries have done?

[lovbyts]

I was considering bumping one of the older post but decided to start a new one.

I know there are a lot of gun owners here, myself included. IMO there are many reasons not to let the government ban them even if the 2nd amendment wasnt one of them.

I know there are a lot of bogus facts out there but I found this interesting and even Snoopes does not say it's false. At best Snoopes trues to explain away some of the percentages. I have thought that snoopes was left leaning the last several years anyways but at least its not 100% left.

This is the recent FB post I saw.


Australian Gun Law Update
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts....
From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real
figures from Down Under.
It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to
surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own
government, a program costing Australia taxpayers
more than $500 million dollars.
The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria.....
lone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.(Note that
while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not
and criminals still possess their guns!)
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady
decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins andassaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns....' You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.
The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the
hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note Americans, before it's too late!
Will you be one of the sheep to turn yours in?
WHY? You will need it.

[RaginCajun]

It sickens me to see all of those guns go to waste!

We need guns to protect ourselves and feed ourselves with (I was raised to live off the land for you people who say you can buy it at the store.)

Like that Japanese general was quoted saying (still don't know if it is fact or not), "You cannot invade US mainland, there is a rifle behind each blade of grass."

[NACH3]

Wow.... Well what criminal would think of turning their guns in? None! Why crime period is up now(in Austrailia)... It further proves that the law abiding citizens(w/gun rights) are just getting the sh!tty end of the stick...

We as a country should definitely take note of this and prove it would be the same regarding crime going up - we already have - how many - killings assaults rapes robberies etc as of now - not to mention the young shooting back at cops/people etc on a daily basis! Imho it would make things worst - just like stated above...

Furthermore we need to be able to protect our families friends - and land! Also hunting is a very big deal here!

Edit- funny thing is RC I was writing this while you were - look at my last paragraph or line....

[lovbyts]

It sickens me to see all of those guns go to waste!

We need guns to protect ourselves and feed ourselves with (I was raised to live off the land for you people who say you can buy it at the store.)

Like that Japanese general was quoted saying (still don't know if it is fact or not), "You cannot invade US mainland, there is a rifle behind each blade of grass."

Yes I remember hearing pretty much the same thing. It was not due to our military no one would invade the US but the fact everyone (majority) was armed also.

Just look at any one of our states with strict gun laws. The more strict the higher the crime rate but the left doesn't want to talk about that and they just try to blame it on other things.

[djgreen]

Mexico has the strictest gun laws in the world and look at the violence they have, personally I don't care what law the government makes Ill can get whatever I want. I can buy a bunch of parts on the internet an make my own from scratch and have a full auto ak47 without serial #s for a couple hundred $ easy same with mac 10 , uzi or 1911 pistols. I feel owning a legal gun makes people more accountable for their actions and stops violence because if you shoot someone they have a database of the barrel markings the bullet makes and the markings that the casing makes when it is ejected

[Mitch535]

No, we should definitely not ban guns. A criminal is somoene who, by definition, does not respect the law. It is foolish to think you can force someone who doesn't care about abiding the law by creating a law for them to abide by.

And yes I do agree that carrying a legal gun makes you more accountable for your actions and stops violence, but in a different way than you had mentioned. I've walked away from several instances where I'd have LOVED to have gotten into a fist fight with some asshole, but didn't because I was packing and have to hold myself to a higher discipline.

[Joco71]

Chicago says it all. They are a gun free zone and have 4 suburb cities that are in the top 15 murder cities in the country. I will be keeping my guns and buying more!!LOL

[3day]

No!!

[djgreen]

totally agree all my guns are legal what is stopping me from converting some of my guns or building a full auto is because the law don't play with that sort of thing and i carry a higher responsibility i also have walked away from people running their mouth because you don't pull a gun unless your life is in danger and you plan on killing another human being and 99% of people don't take that lightly

[RaginCajun]

totally agree all my guns are legal what is stopping me from converting some of my guns or building a full auto is because the law don't play with that sort of thing and i carry a higher responsibility i also have walked away from people running their mouth because you don't pull a gun unless your life is in danger and you plan on killing another human being and 99% of people don't take that lightly

You can get full auto permits/stamps, just need to pay to play

[djgreen]

yea but they aren't exactly generous with them and it cost a grand a or more for the permit and lookn at another 3-4k for the gun if you were lucky enough to get the permit

[Euroholic]

From a local perspective those stats are pointless and shitt. Melbourne had a huge gangland war with many killings of mafia members which brought up the murder rate. Those stats are also old but also they don't tell you that nearly every murder is a criminal on criminal or a bloke killing his wife etc. in aus it is virtually close to 0 that you will just be randomly killed in the streets unless you deserved it unlike other countries.

You know why the gun laws where brought in? Because of the port arthur massacre. The people do not condone random spree killings but do not give a fuk about 2 gangsters killing each other.

[numbere]

yea but they aren't exactly generous with them and it cost a grand a or more for the permit and lookn at another 3-4k for the gun if you were lucky enough to get the permit

My father is a fully licensed and insured FFL dealer. Anyone can own a class 3 firearm or NFA item (select fire, sbr, suppressed, etc.) who passes a federal background check and applies for a $200 tax stamp through the ATF.

Select fire firearms range in price from about $5,000 to tens of thousands of dollars depending on make/model and condition.

[almostgone]

I'll be brief in my response.


No!

[austinite]

The day my gun is taken away from me, will be the day I leave this beautiful country... and likely... earth.

[Euroholic]

Unless you are a farmer shooting pests or a sports shooter I will never understand civilians fascination with firearms. They are boring as fuk. If you feel you need a weapon to be safe then something is wrong with your community.

[austinite]

Unless you are a farmer shooting pests or a sports shooter I will never understand civilians fascination with firearms. They are boring as fuk. If you feel you need a weapon to be safe then something is wrong with your community.

Go away...

[Euroholic]

Go away...

Nothing wrong with a difference in opinion site staff member.

[austinite]

Nothing wrong with a difference in opinion site staff member.

Seriously, just go away. It isn't about this thread, it's about you being a child abuser. GO AWAY.

[Euroholic]

Seriously, just go away. It isn't about this thread, it's about you being a child abuser. GO AWAY.

Child abuser? So thats why you like your guns so you can slander people and feel safe.

[GirlyGymRat]

It's amazing how civilized a society when most everyone is packing!

So when I am in a parking lot alone and a man approaches me, I would prefer to have another person with me, preferably a trained person with concealed carry.

You never bring a knife to a gun fight.

[numbere]

Unless you are a farmer shooting pests or a sports shooter I will never understand civilians fascination with firearms. They are boring as fuk. If you feel you need a weapon to be safe then something is wrong with your community.

This is the first time I've ever heard someone refer to firearms as boring lol.

Honestly if you don't understand the importance of the 2nd amendment then there is no way to explain it's value. That would be like explaining why one want's to climb a mountain or why a classy women needs to own so many pairs of shoes.

[Euroholic]

This is the first time I've ever heard someone refer to firearms as boring lol.

Honestly if you don't understand the importance of the 2nd amendment then there is no way to explain it's value. That would be like explaining why one want's to climb a mountain or why a classy women needs to own so many pairs of shoes.

I find them boring. I was infantry for 4 years after awhile its very repetitive

[austinite]

[Euroholic]

This is the first time I've ever heard someone refer to firearms as boring lol.

Honestly if you don't understand the importance of the 2nd amendment then there is no way to explain it's value. That would be like explaining why one want's to climb a mountain or why a classy women needs to own so many pairs of shoes.

Isn't the point of a amendment to a constitution in response to change? If something has been changed before then it can be changed again

[GirlyGymRat]

This is the first time I've ever heard someone refer to firearms as boring lol. Honestly if you don't understand the importance of the 2nd amendment then there is no way to explain it's value. That would be like explaining why one want's to climb a mountain or why a classy women needs to own so many pairs of shoes.

How many pairs to be considered classy

[jhorn12]

The entire purpose of the creation of the United States of America was for FREEDOM many people in this country have unfortunately forgotten that and those who have sacrificed their lives for it. Even if something is not mentioned in our Bill of Rights or the Constitution or is a little foggy on what our forefathers meant that does not mean we the American people can't have it. I am all for people being able to own firearms and even owning automatic weapons, explosives, and ****ing tanks if they would like. That is the entire purpose of having freedom and to be able to tell the government to go **** a goat and remind them that the people are in charge and the government is meant for the service of us not the other way around. Now don't get me wrong I do also believe that certain people should not be entitled to those things such as certain criminals and people with mental issues. Democrats/ liberals are ****ing idiots they believe that taking away weapons from the good guys will somehow get rid of the bad guys. It's either that or they just want the American people to be defenseless so they can takeover the ****ing country and start some kind of communist, socialist, or fascist state. I pray they are just stupid but at this point it's hard to tell. Democrats have always been in favor of government control since the day they were started which is exactly what this country fought in the r************ war to get rid of. If the United States government ever attempts to forcefully take away weapons from the American people I am grabbing everything I got and will be laying dead in a pile of empty brass and they will be prying my weapons from my cold dead hands before I surrender them. I fought for my family, god, country, to protect the Constitution, and the American people NOT our current piece of shit government and will continue to do so as long as I live. When you go into the military and swear your oath you never say you are fighting for the president or the government you swear your oath to protect the Constitution of the United States of America. Every soldier from another country that I have talked to about that doesn't get why we swear an oath to a piece of paper. Thats because they don't know what the **** freedom is. The United States is the only country on earth that truly has freedom. God bless the United States and **** Obama and all democRats.

[numbere]

Isn't the point of a amendment to a constitution in response to change? If something has been changed before then it can be changed again

I have no idea what you're talking about. There is zero chance of the 2nd amendment ever being revoked. It's one of the reasons why the U.S. is such a great country.

[Euroholic]

The entire purpose of the creation of the United States of America was for FREEDOM many people in this country have unfortunately forgotten that and those who have sacrificed their lives for it. Even if something is not mentioned in our Bill of Rights or the Constitution or is a little foggy on what our forefathers meant that does not mean we the American people can't have it. I am all for people being able to own firearms and even owning automatic weapons, explosives, and ****ing tanks if they would like. That is the entire purpose of having freedom and to be able to tell the government to go **** a goat and remind them that the people are in charge and the government is meant for the service of us not the other way around. Now don't get me wrong I do also believe that certain people should not be entitled to those things such as certain criminals and people with mental issues. Democrats/ liberals are ****ing idiots they believe that taking away weapons from the good guys will somehow get rid of the bad guys. It's either that or they just want the American people to be defenseless so they can takeover the ****ing country and start some kind of communist, socialist, or fascist state. I pray they are just stupid but at this point it's hard to tell. Democrats have always been in favor of government control since the day they were started which is exactly what this country fought in the r************ war to get rid of. If the United States government ever attempts to forcefully take away weapons from the American people I am grabbing everything I got and will be laying dead in a pile of empty brass and they will be prying my weapons from my cold dead hands before I surrender them. I fought for my family, god, country, to protect the Constitution, and the American people NOT our current piece of shit government and will continue to do so as long as I live. When you go into the military and swear your oath you never say you are fighting for the president or the government you swear your oath to protect the Constitution of the United States of America. Every soldier from another country that I have talked to about that doesn't get why we swear an oath to a piece of paper. Thats because they don't know what the **** freedom is. The United States is the only country on earth that truly has freedom. God bless the United States and **** Obama and all democRats.

The usa is the only country that has freedom? Thats a bit of a laugh bull.

[Euroholic]

I have no idea what you're talking about. There is zero chance of the 2nd amendment ever being revoked. It's one of the reasons why the U.S. is such a great country.

Don't you think something should be done to minimize mass shootings?

[numbere]

Don't you think something should be done to minimize mass shootings?

Sure, but revoking the constitutional rights of law abiding citizens is not the answer.

[Euroholic]

Sure, but revoking the constitutional rights of law abiding citizens is not the answer.

But its a amendment to a original document. Meaning that if it was changed before then it could be changed again. Correct? I don't have the answers i just watch the shootings on tv

[numbere]

But its a amendment to a original document. Meaning that if it was changed before then it could be changed again. Correct? I don't have the answers i just watch the shootings on tv

Once again I'm not sure what you're talking about. The Bill of Rights is the name for the first ten amendments to the U.S. constitution. The Bill of Rights has never been amended.

It's important to note the the Bill of Rights restricts the power of government and not the people.

[davidtheman100]

I was considering bumping one of the older post but decided to start a new one.

I know there are a lot of gun owners here, myself included. IMO there are many reasons not to let the government ban them even if the 2nd amendment wasnt one of them.

I know there are a lot of bogus facts out there but I found this interesting and even Snoopes does not say it's false. At best Snoopes trues to explain away some of the percentages. I have thought that snoopes was left leaning the last several years anyways but at least its not 100% left.

This is the recent FB post I saw.


Australian Gun Law Update
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts....
From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real
figures from Down Under.
It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to
surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own
government, a program costing Australia taxpayers
more than $500 million dollars.
The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria.....
lone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.(Note that
while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not
and criminals still possess their guns!)
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady
decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins andassaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns....' You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.
The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the
hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note Americans, before it's too late!
Will you be one of the sheep to turn yours in?
WHY? You will need it.

I hate the left with a passion as they're trying to ruin America whether it's indirectly or not i will make my voice heard whether it be through voting or through statistic surveys i will let it be known that taking away guns will do NOTHING to prevent violence...The left will blame shootings that THEY MADE POPULAR THROUGH THE MEDIA so that the they can justify these ridiculous gun-law proposals..When in fact if they reported ALL GUN INCIDENTS not just HAND PICKED THEM then they would realize that there are deeper issues...

[Euroholic]

Once again I'm not sure what you're talking about. The Bill of Rights is the name for the first ten amendments to the U.S. constitution. The Bill of Rights has never been amended.

It's important to note the the Bill of Rights restricts the power of government and not the people.

Seeing as its called number 2 amendment to the constitution I'm assuming the original constitution was altered to add it in. Is this correct?

[jimmyinkedup]

Its really just as simple as the old mantra that guns dont kill people, people kill people.
Any agenda to disarm the citizens of the United States of America under the guise of making our country a safer place warrants severe and extreme scrutiny. The reason for this is simple, anyone and everyone in their right mind realizes and knows that any legislation removing guns from the hands of citizens will not remove guns from the hands of criminals. One can only ask themselves why then do these people hiding behind the "safer America by disarmament" want guns to become illegal. THAT is what we really need to wonder, need to examine and need to be afraid of. These are the men I fear. I dont fear a criminal breaking into my home tonight because i have a Ruger P90 .45 acp waiting to greet him with open arms. The man trying to take that away from me, well him I fear. It is his agenda I fear.

[numbere]

Seeing as its called number 2 amendment to the constitution I'm assuming the original constitution was altered to add it in. Is this correct?

When the U.S. Constitution was originally drafted it was not a bit hit with our forefathers because there were no rights given to the people that government was not allowed to break. Congress proposed that the Bill of Rights be added and and the bill was passed by every state and then added to the constitution.

You see the reason the Bill of Rights is so important to U.S. citizens is because it restricts the power of government and gives the power to the people.

[bsh]

Guns are an American way of life and the left wing is trying their hardest to make honest ppl like myself fell bad about owning firearms! F*#k them... Let them say I have to give up my guns, hahaha

[Honkey_Kong]

Guns are an American way of life and the left wing is trying their hardest to make honest ppl like myself fell bad about owning firearms! F*#k them... Let them say I have to give up my guns, hahaha

It's not really the left wing that are trying to disarm you, it's the ruling class. They've already made it so you can't have weapons that will enable you to stand up to a tyrannical government. Now, they want you to submit without a fight.

[davidtheman100]

At the end of the day America is bigger than Australia and America is involved in much more foreign affairs it's hard to judge things solely off of "other countries are doing it" ...Yeah Sweden let's their kids go to college for free why can't America do that? Well let's start with the fact that Sweden is like the size of california...